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By:
Fatslogger
When: 16 Dec 20 11:31

Dec 16, 2020 -- 9:04AM, Total Bosman wrote:


They’ll get away with it but you don’t want them spouting nonsense. Market was settled in accordance with market rules and no subsequent events change that.

By:
Fatslogger
When: 16 Dec 20 11:31
Yes, agree with you, TB.
By:
politicspunter
When: 16 Dec 20 11:32
Betfair paid out on Mitt Romney winning Iowa primary in 2012. After recount, Rick Santorum was declared the winner.
By:
Sultan
When: 16 Dec 20 15:03
You can still back trump to leave office in 2021 at 1.06  Plenty still backing Trump to remain preident till 2025 now 30 from 70 couple of days ago.
By:
Sultan
When: 16 Dec 20 15:03
You can still back trump to leave office in 2021 at 1.06  Plenty still backing Trump to remain preident till 2025 now 30 from 70 couple of days ago.
By:
politicspunter
When: 16 Dec 20 15:06
I would avoid that 2021 market because there is a danger that Trump might walk this year.
By:
politicspunter
When: 16 Dec 20 15:06
The 2025 market is a sure thing.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 16 Dec 20 15:35

Dec 16, 2020 -- 3:06PM, politicspunter wrote:


I would avoid that 2021 market because there is a danger that Trump might walk this year.


I’ve had a saver or two on him leaving this year, which seemed worthwhile at 70 and 75. The 2021/2025 lines are bonkers but hardly out of keeping with what we already know about irrational Trump related beliefs.

By:
tobermory
When: 16 Dec 20 15:39

Dec 16, 2020 -- 11:23AM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


If it turns out there has been widescale voter fraudand trump is inaugurated they may end up paying out twice. But only pay trump backers after their change of rules. Of course its not going to happen but it has been somethingthat betfair have been made to do in the pastOne example was mad world Xmas number one


What was the story with the number one market YHTL ?

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 16 Dec 20 20:23
They voided a load of bets on Gary jules and
added garry jules and mich Anderson or something
along those lines, settled market then ibas found
they were wrong and they had to pay out on both
But if you had backed both you only got payout
up to your best win, not on both outcomes.

Or along those lines... Some of the specials boys
may remember better
By:
tobermory
When: 16 Dec 20 21:36
Think IBAS got that right.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 16 Dec 20 22:02
Aye some folk had some nice bets at decent prices, and
of course the new option was not anywhere near same price.
By:
llama1
When: 17 Dec 20 16:41
Apologies if this YouTube video has been mentioned before, but it was only released a couple of days ago......

Some interesting observations on Betfair's Settlement of the 'Next President' Market.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2H21xxjvrM
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 17 Dec 20 16:46
He's not really read the market rules, and seems a tad unhinged anyway.

Hard to tell now the nutters from the satirists
By:
peckerdunne
When: 17 Dec 20 16:49
I'm going to have to have another word with him.
By:
Charlie
When: 17 Dec 20 16:57
It's only interesting if you're a nutter and/or still expecting a miracle to save your dough. There were not two sets of conflicting electors unless you're a conspiritard and it wouldn't have made any difference if there was.
By:
peckerdunne
When: 17 Dec 20 17:09
http://treeincarnation.com/homepage.htm
By:
peckerdunne
When: 17 Dec 20 17:11
http://www.breakfornews.com/index.htm
By:
rock piper
When: 17 Dec 20 17:42
Fairplay to Fintan he looks exactly like a dribbling conspiretard loon ought to and fairplay to him too his forum has thousands of posts and he appears to have made them all, just shows how a man on long term Disability Allowance can spend his time.
By:
politicspunter
When: 17 Dec 20 17:43
In his youtube video he says he backed Trump at 23/1 Laugh
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 17 Dec 20 20:21
A former Houston police captain charged with running a man off the road and pointing a gun at his head over a voter fraud conspiracy theory did not appear in court Thursday.

Mark Aguirre, 63, was expected to make his first court appearance in Harris County. Instead, attorney Terry Yates said Aguirre has Covid-19, and brought his test results to the court.

Yates said Aguirre "wasn't doing well" when they spoke last night.

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The judge requested that they try again Friday and asked if Aguirre can appear via Zoom.

Yates said they would try, but that Aguirre doesn't have a phone and he's not sure if he has a laptop.

Aguirre was arrested Tuesday and is charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, a second-degree felony punishable by up to 20 years in prison, prosecutors said. He posted $30,000 bond on Tuesday afternoon and is out of jail, according to Harris County court records.

Bond conditions were briefly discussed Thursday, but nothing was set since Aguirre wasn't present.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 17 Dec 20 20:22
A former Houston police captain was charged Tuesday with running a man off the road and pointing a gun to his head two weeks before the election as part of a baseless voter fraud conspiracy theory, the Harris County district attorney said in a statement.

Mark Anthony Aguirre, 63, was paid more than a quarter-million dollars by a Houston-based private citizens group investigating unsubstantiated 2020 election fraud claims, prosecutors said.
On October 16, Aguirre asked a lieutenant with the Texas Attorney General's Office to conduct a traffic stop to help with his investigation, according to a Houston police affidavit obtained by CNN. When the idea was rejected, Aguirre said he would do it himself and "make a citizen's arrest," the affidavit says.
Three days later, Aguirre allegedly ran his SUV into the back of a man's truck, and when the man got out, Aguirre pointed a gun at him, forced him to the ground and put his knee on the man's back -- an image captured by police body camera when officers arrived, according to prosecutors.
Aguirre told authorities he had conducted surveillance on the man for four days, according to the district attorney's news release. Aguirre said he suspected there were 750,000 fraudulent ballots inside the truck and that the man was "the mastermind of a giant (voter) fraud," the release states.
In fact, the man was an "innocent and ordinary" air-conditioner repairman, prosecutors said. Responding authorities found no ballots inside the vehicle, only air conditioner parts and tools, prosecutors said.
A charging document from the Harris County district clerk's office identified the alleged victim as David Lopez-Zuniga.
CNN affiliate KPRC spoke with Lopez-Zuniga, who says he tried to assist Aguirre after they pulled off the side of the road following the initial collision.
"He said, 'Help me, help me' with a hand inside his coat," Lopez-Zuniga said in an interview. "Then when I tried to help him, he pulls out a gun."
KPRC reports Lopez-Zuniga felt he was about to be killed.
"Very, very close, because when I saw him unlock the safety I thought, 'He is going to shoot me,'" Lopez-Zuniga said.
After an investigation, Houston police said they found the allegations of election fraud "unfounded" and referred the case to the district attorney's office.
Aguirre was arrested Tuesday and is charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, a second-degree felony punishable by up to 20 years in prison, prosecutors said. He posted $30,000 bond on Tuesday afternoon and is out of jail, according to Harris County court records.
"If they can give him prison, give him prison," Lopez-Zuniga told KPRC.
'He crossed the line'
The incident is one of the most serious consequences of the conspiracy theories around systemic voter fraud, which have been repeatedly debunked. President Donald Trump has continued to claim that widespread voter fraud occurred during the election, but election officials have rejected the claim and his team of attorneys have produced no evidence in court to support it.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 17 Dec 20 20:23
Former Houston police captain charged with pointing gun at repairman, believing he was a voter fraud 'mastermind'
By Josh Campbell, Gisela Crespo, Kay Jones, Ashley Killough and Eric Levenson, CNN

Updated 0226 GMT (1026 HKT) December 17, 2020
Mark Anthony Aguirre, former captain with the Houston Police Department, who was part of a private citizens group trying to investigate 2020 election fraud claims, has been charged with running a man off the road and pointing a gun to his head, the Harris County District attorney announced on Tuesday.

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(CNN)A former Houston police captain was charged Tuesday with running a man off the road and pointing a gun to his head two weeks before the election as part of a baseless voter fraud conspiracy theory, the Harris County district attorney said in a statement.

Mark Anthony Aguirre, 63, was paid more than a quarter-million dollars by a Houston-based private citizens group investigating unsubstantiated 2020 election fraud claims, prosecutors said.
On October 16, Aguirre asked a lieutenant with the Texas Attorney General's Office to conduct a traffic stop to help with his investigation, according to a Houston police affidavit obtained by CNN. When the idea was rejected, Aguirre said he would do it himself and "make a citizen's arrest," the affidavit says.
Three days later, Aguirre allegedly ran his SUV into the back of a man's truck, and when the man got out, Aguirre pointed a gun at him, forced him to the ground and put his knee on the man's back -- an image captured by police body camera when officers arrived, according to prosecutors.
Aguirre told authorities he had conducted surveillance on the man for four days, according to the district attorney's news release. Aguirre said he suspected there were 750,000 fraudulent ballots inside the truck and that the man was "the mastermind of a giant (voter) fraud," the release states.
In fact, the man was an "innocent and ordinary" air-conditioner repairman, prosecutors said. Responding authorities found no ballots inside the vehicle, only air conditioner parts and tools, prosecutors said.
A charging document from the Harris County district clerk's office identified the alleged victim as David Lopez-Zuniga.
CNN affiliate KPRC spoke with Lopez-Zuniga, who says he tried to assist Aguirre after they pulled off the side of the road following the initial collision.
"He said, 'Help me, help me' with a hand inside his coat," Lopez-Zuniga said in an interview. "Then when I tried to help him, he pulls out a gun."
KPRC reports Lopez-Zuniga felt he was about to be killed.
"Very, very close, because when I saw him unlock the safety I thought, 'He is going to shoot me,'" Lopez-Zuniga said.
After an investigation, Houston police said they found the allegations of election fraud "unfounded" and referred the case to the district attorney's office.
Aguirre was arrested Tuesday and is charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, a second-degree felony punishable by up to 20 years in prison, prosecutors said. He posted $30,000 bond on Tuesday afternoon and is out of jail, according to Harris County court records.
"If they can give him prison, give him prison," Lopez-Zuniga told KPRC.
'He crossed the line'
The incident is one of the most serious consequences of the conspiracy theories around systemic voter fraud, which have been repeatedly debunked. President Donald Trump has continued to claim that widespread voter fraud occurred during the election, but election officials have rejected the claim and his team of attorneys have produced no evidence in court to support it.
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"He crossed the line from dirty politics to commission of a violent crime and we are lucky no one was killed," Harris County District Attorney Kim Ogg said in a statement. "His alleged investigation was backward from the start -- first alleging a crime had occurred and then trying to prove it happened."
Aguirre attorney Terry Yates told CNN affiliate KTRK that he believed the arrest is "political persecution."
"He was working and investigating voter fraud, there was an accident," Yates said. "A member of the car got out and rushed toward him and that's where the confrontation took place. It's very different than what you're citing in the affidavit."
Prosecutors say Aguirre was paid more than $260,000 by a private group called "Liberty Center for God and Country" to investigate alleged ballot schemes in the Houston area. He received about $211,400 the day following the incident.
Jared Woodfill, the center's president, told CNN the group and Republican activist Steve Hotze hired a private firm that included "Aguirre, a former FBI investigator and about 20 investigators that investigated reports of voter fraud," reports that were sent to Hotze.
The Republican activist was also one of the plaintiffs who filed a petition prior to Election Day seeking to invalidate 127,000 ballots cast in drive-thru early voting. A federal judge rejected that request.
CNN has reached out to Hotze for comment.
Affidavit details the baseless theory
According to the Houston police affidavit, Aguirre told police at the scene he was "investigating a voter fraud ballot harvesting conspiracy" that he claimed the victim, identified in the affidavit as DL, was operating out of his home. Aguirre said that DL had approximately 750,000 fraudulent mail ballots and accused him of "using Hispanic children to sign the ballots" because their fingerprints wouldn't be in any databases.
CNN has reached out to Lopez-Zuniga but has not been able to speak with him.
According to DL's statement to police, while he was on the ground being held by Aguirre, two other cars pulled up and Aguirre instructed one of those drivers to search DL's truck. After telling Aguirre that the truck was clear, DL's truck was driven away from the scene. Police found his truck abandoned a short time later a few blocks away, the affidavit states.
Aguirre told the police at the scene that he had been surveilling DL's home for four days. Police searched DL's home with his permission, the affidavit states, and did not find any evidence of voter fraud or ballot harvesting.
Aguirre also told the officers at the scene that they "can be a hero or part of the problem," the affidavit states.
"I just hope you are a patriot," Aguirre told police according the affidavit.
Court records show that Aguirre's preliminary hearing is scheduled for Thursday morning in Harris County.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 17 Dec 20 20:32
Ffs..


This continues on from before that huge thing



"He crossed the line from dirty politics to commission of a violent crime and we are lucky no one was killed," Harris County District Attorney Kim Ogg said in a statement. "His alleged investigation was backward from the start -- first alleging a crime had occurred and then trying to prove it happened."
Aguirre attorney Terry Yates told CNN affiliate KTRK that he believed the arrest is "political persecution."
"He was working and investigating voter fraud, there was an accident," Yates said. "A member of the car got out and rushed toward him and that's where the confrontation took place. It's very different than what you're citing in the affidavit."
Prosecutors say Aguirre was paid more than $260,000 by a private group called "Liberty Center for God and Country" to investigate alleged ballot schemes in the Houston area. He received about $211,400 the day following the incident.
Jared Woodfill, the center's president, told CNN the group and Republican activist Steve Hotze hired a private firm that included "Aguirre, a former FBI investigator and about 20 investigators that investigated reports of voter fraud," reports that were sent to Hotze.
The Republican activist was also one of the plaintiffs who filed a petition prior to Election Day seeking to invalidate 127,000 ballots cast in drive-thru early voting. A federal judge rejected that request.
CNN has reached out to Hotze for comment.
Affidavit details the baseless theory
According to the Houston police affidavit, Aguirre told police at the scene he was "investigating a voter fraud ballot harvesting conspiracy" that he claimed the victim, identified in the affidavit as DL, was operating out of his home. Aguirre said that DL had approximately 750,000 fraudulent mail ballots and accused him of "using Hispanic children to sign the ballots" because their fingerprints wouldn't be in any databases .
CNN has reached out to Lopez-Zuniga but has not been able to speak with him.
According to DL's statement to police, while he was on the ground being held by Aguirre, two other cars pulled up and Aguirre instructed one of those drivers to search DL's truck. After telling Aguirre that the truck was clear, DL's truck was driven away from the scene. Police found his truck abandoned a short time later a few blocks away, the affidavit states.
Aguirre told the police at the scene that he had been surveilling DL's home for four days. Police searched DL's home with his permission, the affidavit states, and did not find any evidence of voter fraud or ballot harvesting.
Aguirre also told the officers at the scene that they "can be a hero or part of the problem," the affidavit states.
"I just hope you are a patriot," Aguirre told police according the affidavit.
Court records show that Aguirre's preliminary hearing is scheduled for Thursday morning in Harris County.
By:
politicspunter
When: 17 Dec 20 20:34
Truly incredible! I can't make out who is the biggest nutter, the gun toting mercenary or the clowns that paid him.
By:
politicspunter
When: 17 Dec 20 20:36
It's Texas, don't be surprised a not guilty verdict is returnedSad
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 17 Dec 20 20:36
The patriots that paid him...

LaughLaugh
By:
peckerdunne
When: 17 Dec 20 20:55
jeez, whats the long and the short of it........Grin
By:
Hank Hill
When: 17 Dec 20 21:11
My in-laws live in Houston - an odd place to say the least. Never trust any group that has Liberty or similar in the title - usually they're the complete opposite. I want to say I'm surprised he is an ex cop, but there are a lot of conspiracy types in police/military.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 17 Dec 20 22:03
Hard to know where to start with that insanity but assuming it's a recent story, what on earth did he think the poor bloke would have been doing with ballots in his van a month after the election?
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 17 Dec 20 22:54
It's 19th Oct in the story above....




On October 16, Aguirre asked a lieutenant with the Texas Attorney General's Office to conduct a traffic stop to help with his investigation, according to a Houston police affidavit obtained by CNN. When the idea was rejected, Aguirre said he would do it himself and "make a citizen's arrest," the affidavit says.
Three days later, Aguirre allegedly ran his SUV into the back of a man's truck, and when the man got out, Aguirre pointed a gun at him, forced him to the ground and put his knee on the man's back -- an image captured by police body camera when officers arrived, according to prosecutors.
Aguirre told authorities he had conducted surveillance on the man for four days, according to the district attorney's news release. Aguirre said he suspected there were 750,000 fraudulent ballots inside the truck and that the man was "the mastermind of a giant (voter) fraud," the release states.
In fact, the man was an "innocent and ordinary" air-conditioner repairman, prosecutors said. Responding authorities found no ballots inside the vehicle, only air conditioner parts and tools, prosecutors said.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 17 Dec 20 23:10
Ah, that makes more sense.  To be fair, I could have read it again but I already felt I'd seen the same string of text more times than I really wanted to in my life.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 17 Dec 20 23:10
Hadn't realised they'd run such well resourced stealing the vote grifts that early.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 17 Dec 20 23:22
Indeed
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