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By:
InsiderTrader
When: 16 Aug 20 11:10
Dave, I am just trying to understand the rules.

Do you think it was wrong for news outlets to refer to the virus as the 'Wuhan Virus' and 'China Virus' in January?

It is a simple question that deserves a simple answer given your strong views on the subject.
By:
dave1357
When: 16 Aug 20 11:21
I can't believe you are really this obtuse - a virus that is mainly located in China, as it was in January, is clearly going to use the word China in reporting.  After the virus spread that reporting stopped
By:
politicspunter
When: 16 Aug 20 11:22
Dave, Insider Trader knows it is racist. He will follow you about forever being abusive to you. Just block him as I did long ago and I promise you won't regret it.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 16 Aug 20 11:29

Aug 16, 2020 -- 11:21AM, dave1357 wrote:


I can't believe you are really this obtuse - a virus that is mainly located in China, as it was in January, is clearly going to use the word China in reporting.  After the virus spread that reporting stopped


Ok so once it spread from China around the world the name become racist?

You are aware that WHO say it is not good to name a disease after a place or animal even in the early stages because once reports have started it is very hard to change a name.

Do you think using the term Ebola is NOT racist because the disease has not yet spread beyond Africa despite there being reports of discrimination against African people in the USA as a result of it being named Ebola?

If Ebola goes global do you think we should call it something different to stop this?

By:
InsiderTrader
When: 16 Aug 20 11:34
How Ebola got its name

The Ebola virus that caused the devastating outbreak in West Africa between 2014 and 2016 didn't even have a name just 38 years ago, when it first surfaced and caused a mysterious illness among villagers in Zaire, now the Democratic Republic of Congo.

The international team of scientists who were tasked with investigating that 1976 Ebola outbreak  were shocked at the sight of the virus and the disease it caused, Dr. Peter Piot, co-discoverer of the virus, recalls in his memoir "No Time to Lose: A Life in Pursuit of Deadly Viruses." (W. W. Norton & Company, 2012)

When the scientists, inside their Belgian laboratory, looked under the microscope at blood samples sent from Africa, the virus looked like a worm or a long string, unlike almost any viruses known at the time. And once the team got on the ground in Zaire, they saw how rapidly the virus spread and how quickly it killed its victims. They knew they had to figure out how this mysterious new virus was being transmitted, what it did inside the body, and how it could be stopped.

But they also had to figure out a name for the new virus.

The story of how Ebola got its name is short and somewhat random, according to Piot's account. Late one night, the group of scientists discussed over Kentucky bourbon what the virus they were hunting should be named.

Related: 11 Deadly Diseases That Hopped Across Species

The virus had surfaced in a village called Yambuku, so it could be named after the village, argued one team member, Dr. Pierre Sureau, of the Institut Pasteur in France, Piot recalled.

But naming the virus Yambuku ran the risk of stigmatizing the village, said another scientist, Dr. Joel Breman, from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). This had happened before, for example, in the case of Lassa virus, which emerged in the town of Lassa in Nigeria in 1969.

It was Karl Johnson, another researcher from the CDC, and the leader of the research team, who suggested naming the virus after a river, to tone down the emphasis on a particular place.

One obvious option would have been the Congo River, which is the deepest river in the world and flows through the country and its rainforest. But there was a problem— another virus with a similar name already existed. That virus was the Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever virus.

So the scientists looked at a small map, pinned up on the wall, for any other rivers near Yambuku. On the map, it appeared that the closest river to Yambuku was called Ebola, meaning "Black River," in the local language Lingala.

"It seemed suitably ominous," Piot wrote.

However, the map was inaccurate, and the Ebola river turned out not to be the closest river to Yambuku, Piot said. 

"But in our entirely fatigued state, that's what we ended up calling the virus: Ebola."


And so Ebola joined the list of viruses named after rivers. Other members include the mosquito-borne Ross river virus, which causes a debilitating infection and is named after a river in northern Queensland in Australia, and the Machupo virus, which causes Bolivian hemorrhagic fever, or "black typhus," and is named after a Bolivian river.

Many other viruses, too, have been named after a feature of their place of origin, including West Nile virus discovered in 1937, coxsackievirus discovered in 1948 (Coxsackie is a town in New York), Marburg virus discovered in 1967 (Marburg is a town in Germany), and Hendra virus identified 1994 (Hendra is a suburb of Brisbane, Australia).

The tradition continues today. In 2013, after months of being called by a number of names, a newly discovered coronavirus finally got an official name — Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus, or MERS-CoV. And another coronavirus, first discovered at the end of 2019 and currently spreading across the globe, is now called SARS-CoV-2.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 16 Aug 20 11:35
Ok to use Ebola or Congo (a country) in the name?

Ok to use 'Middle Eastern' in the name of MERS even though MERS has spread beyond the middle east?
By:
aaronh
When: 16 Aug 20 11:54

Aug 15, 2020 -- 7:33PM, InsiderTrader wrote:


'Spanish Flu' is that racist?


Is this some more of that free thinking we hear about

By:
aaronh
When: 16 Aug 20 11:59

Aug 16, 2020 -- 10:21AM, dave1357 wrote:


I can't believe you are really this obtuse - a virus that is mainly located in China, as it was in January, is clearly going to use the word China in reporting.  After the virus spread that reporting stopped.Are you going to continue to use the racist trope "China virus"?


The right claims to be unable to recognise dogwhistles and racist tropes, until it becomes about Jewish people and they are suddenly seeing it all over the place and become huge anti-racism crusaders

By:
aaronh
When: 16 Aug 20 12:05
Another day of the democracy crusaders pretending to care about the fairness of elections while the party and politician they support suppress the votes of hundreds of thousands if not millions and want to do it to many more
By:
lfc1971
When: 16 Aug 20 13:21
They never say anything nice about Israel so they must be racist ( 95% of labour voters )
By:
timbuctooth
When: 16 Aug 20 13:23
Oh my, what fun to wake up to, as IT has dave on the ropes, squealing for mercy! He couldn`t answer, he ran away!!! The comrades jump in with the usual mob-handed bullying attempts at shutting down truth, but it`s all too late, dave`s been brutally exposed and squashed, nothing left but futile last breath attempts at deny and deflect!!!
Fully deserving of an even more hearty CHORTLE than usual!
By:
dave1357
When: 16 Aug 20 13:37
You also know that the term is a racist trope.  Are you going to stop using it?
By:
timbuctooth
When: 16 Aug 20 13:45
What do you call ebola?
By:
timbuctooth
When: 16 Aug 20 14:05
Has dave run away? AGAIN??? He`s been rumbled something rotten with this FAKERY, as even the bbc use the correct terminology!

`...He said he had not come across any memorials to the Spanish flu epidemic, which began shortly after the end of the World War One when soldiers returned home from the battlefields of Europe.
Spanish flu was estimated to have killed more than 100 million people globally...`

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-53592911

The exercise simulated an outbreak of Middle East Respiratory Syndrome.
The Scottish government says its findings were shared with attendees.
Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS-CoV) is a coronavirus like SARS-Cov-2 but has different characteristics.
Like the novel coronavirus, MERS-CoV causes a respiratory disease and key symptoms include fever and a cough.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52927462

How Ebola prepared one doctor for Covid-19
The Democratic Republic of the Congo was still dealing with Ebola when Covid-19 arrived.
Doctors Without Borders staff member Papy Dieya says he learned important lessons from Ebola that have helped him treat coronavirus patients.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-53741481/how-ebola-prepared-one-doctor-for-covid-19

German measles vaccine man dies
The man acclaimed as the joint developer of the vaccine for German measles, Harry Meyer, has died

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1509886.stm
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 16 Aug 20 14:07
He refuses to answer on any other disease.

It looks like the only issue Dave has with calling the China Virus the China Virus is because Trump used the term after most of the media used the same term.

If Trump used the term Ebola I image Dave would say that Ebola was racist.

Over to you, Dave.
By:
dave1357
When: 16 Aug 20 14:27
You both know that the term is a racist trope.  Are you going to stop using it?
By:
dave1357
When: 16 Aug 20 14:28
I've asked both that question more than once, you won't answer.
By:
timbuctooth
When: 16 Aug 20 14:34
How feeble! CHORTLE!
By:
timbuctooth
When: 16 Aug 20 14:37
here`s dave;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8IkbCeZ9to
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 16 Aug 20 14:37
Dave,

If there was an outbreak of German Measles in USA (for some reason) and Trump did a press conference and said..

'We now have over 1000 cases of children dying of German Measles'

would you say he was using a racist trope?
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 16 Aug 20 14:38
Dave,

If there was an outbreak of Ebola in USA (for some reason) and Trump did a press conference and said..

'We now have over 1000 cases of people dying of Ebola'

would you say he was using a racist trope?
By:
Jack Bauer '24'
When: 16 Aug 20 14:39
Trump can name the virus whatever he wants, it does not change the fact that his own incompetence has created this mess. He had ample warning of the incoming threat but deluded himself and his clueless cult into believing that it would just magically disappear.

The 'Trump Virus' would be more appropriate.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 16 Aug 20 14:40
Dave,

If there was an outbreak of Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus in USA (for some reason) and Trump did a press conference and said..

'We now have over 1000 cases of people dying of Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus'

would you say he was using a racist trope?
By:
politicspunter
When: 16 Aug 20 14:43

Aug 16, 2020 -- 2:39PM, Jack Bauer '24' wrote:


Trump can name the virus whatever he wants, it does not change the fact that his own incompetence has created this mess. He had ample warning of the incoming threat but deluded himself and his clueless cult into believing that it would just magically disappear.The 'Trump Virus' would be more appropriate.


Good point. Current USA Covid deaths are the highest in the world at 172K+ and 2.4 million+ active cases, rising daily.

By:
DanielKoellerer
When: 16 Aug 20 14:43
The Trump virus would be apt considering they’ve dealt with it in China now.
By:
politicspunter
When: 16 Aug 20 14:43
Yep, from now on I am going to call it the Trump virus.
By:
politicspunter
When: 16 Aug 20 14:45
On current figures, the total deaths from the Trump virus will be over 300K in the USA.
By:
timbuctooth
When: 16 Aug 20 14:49
dave; how do you know when you`re in trouble? When not one of the comrades posts in your defence for over TWO AND A HALF HOURS, yet they managed 62 posts on the 2020 thread! They KNOW, want nothing to do with the mess you`re in. Wouldn`t be at all surprised if a few of them have reported you to the aparatchiks for causing such humiliation, so you might need to be running away from something far more dangerous than IT`s exposing of you, CHORTLE!!!
By:
DanielKoellerer
When: 16 Aug 20 14:56
Can’t be bothered to read through your drivel, Tim.

A time consuming and pointless exercise. I can explain things to you, but I can’t understand them for you.
By:
timbuctooth
When: 16 Aug 20 14:59
How feeble!!!

CHORTLE!!!!!
By:
DanielKoellerer
When: 16 Aug 20 14:59
Chortle. How cute. Laugh
By:
politicspunter
When: 16 Aug 20 15:04
Sometimes I don't know why some folks post at all. Insider Trader was wiped out in the Democrat Vice President market and timbuctooth was wiped out in the Democratic nominee market. If you are as biased as they are and you bet on who you wish to win, rather than analyse who is likely to win, then you are going to lose all your money.
By:
timbuctooth
When: 16 Aug 20 15:04
Lord Nelson, Lord Beaverbrook, Sir Winston Churchill, Sir Anthony Eden, Clement Attlee, Henry Cooper, Lady Diana, vi har slått dem alle sammen, vi har slått dem alle sammen! (we have beaten them all, we have beaten them all!). dave, can you hear me? dave ... your boys took a hell of a beating! Your boys took a hell of a beating

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqZTP8-8wIs
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 16 Aug 20 15:09
The anti-Trumpers love their inverted world.

It is find for them to insult Trump at every turn but of course that does not effect their betting.

I lost laying Harris and wrote I was 'wiped out' and PP seems to have taken it seriously.

I just did not think she was value at 1.79 so I opposed. I thought it would be a bad move by Biden because Harris is deeply unpopular. Interestingly her selection as VP has increased Trump's chances of winning.
By:
timbuctooth
When: 16 Aug 20 15:09
politicspunter 16 Aug 20 15:04 
`... timbuctooth was wiped out in the Democratic nominee market...`

That`s an outright lie.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 16 Aug 20 15:10
tim we say what we have done in the market before the result unlike people like PP that claim to have backed Trump in 2016 after the event.
By:
aaronh
When: 16 Aug 20 15:15

Aug 16, 2020 -- 3:09PM, InsiderTrader wrote:


The anti-Trumpers love their inverted world.It is find for them to insult Trump at every turn but of course that does not effect their betting.I lost laying Harris and wrote I was 'wiped out' and PP seems to have taken it seriously.I just did not think she was value at 1.79 so I opposed. I thought it would be a bad move by Biden because Harris is deeply unpopular. Interestingly her selection as VP has increased Trump's chances of winning.


Deeply unpopular Harris has a good approval rating, for now

By:
politicspunter
When: 16 Aug 20 15:18

Aug 16, 2020 -- 3:15PM, aaronh wrote:


Aug 16, 2020 --  3:09PM, InsiderTrader wrote:The anti-Trumpers love their inverted world.It is find for them to insult Trump at every turn but of course that does not effect their betting.I lost laying Harris and wrote I was 'wiped out' and PP seems to have taken it seriously.I just did not think she was value at 1.79 so I opposed. I thought it would be a bad move by Biden because Harris is deeply unpopular. Interestingly her selection as VP has increased Trump's chances of winning.Deeply unpopular Harris has a good approval rating, for now


News to me that Harris is "deeply unpopular". She has just been selected as the Democrat VP nominee. I am afraid I don't share Insider Traders view that somehow this event has increased Trumps chance of winning.

By:
aaronh
When: 16 Aug 20 15:28
I personally don't like her (nor will many more left people but either they were already voting Biden despite his many flaws or were never voting for him regardless of realistic VP choices) but that isnt particularly relevant and its reading far too much into the primary performance when basically nothing should be read into it.

She is deeply unpopular with the racists and Republicans who arent going to vote blue. She was seen as a fairly popular VP choice in polling of Dem voters. There just isn't enough to distinguish her right now from Biden for her to be seen as causing lost voters. Its a fairly moderate ticket despite all the screaming and dramatics from MAGA goons
By:
politicspunter
When: 16 Aug 20 15:32
Fair comment. If Biden had chosen eg Elizabeth Warren, perhaps that would have made folks swither about supporting him.
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