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By:
dave1357
When: 15 Aug 20 20:01

Aug 15, 2020 -- 7:46PM, timbuctooth wrote:


dave1357 15 Aug 20 19:35  timmeh said that 16m "missing" absentee ballots were "16m opportunities to cheat".  He hasn't explained why trump using an absentee ballot isn't creating an "opportunity to cheat"All postal votes, mail-in or absentee, create opportunities for fraud. For the second time today, lefties destroy their own case! So, now that we`ve established that dodgy things happen, why do it???


answer the question timmeh - why in your world is every absentee ballot except trump's an opportunity to cheat

By:
politicspunter
When: 15 Aug 20 20:08

Aug 15, 2020 -- 8:01PM, dave1357 wrote:


Aug 15, 2020 --  7:46PM, timbuctooth wrote:dave1357 15 Aug 20 19:35  timmeh said that 16m "missing" absentee ballots were "16m opportunities to cheat".  He hasn't explained why trump using an absentee ballot isn't creating an "opportunity to cheat"All postal votes, mail-in or absentee, create opportunities for fraud. For the second time today, lefties destroy their own case! So, now that we`ve established that dodgy things happen, why do it???answer the question timmeh - why in your world is every absentee ballot except trump's an opportunity to cheat


tim has established nothing ...as usual.

By:
InsiderTrader
When: 15 Aug 20 20:15
Dave dodging the question there after falsely labeling me a racist.

Cannot even bring himself to apologise.
By:
timbuctooth
When: 15 Aug 20 20:30
`...answer the question timmeh - why in your world is every absentee ballot except trump's an opportunity to cheat

I`ve already put this to bed, above;

`...All postal votes, mail-in or absentee, create opportunities for fraud...`

How is it lefties never see what they don`t like? Yet imagine all sorts of things that don`t exist? Is it TDS? Or is it just another malady of theirs, another defining characteristic?
By:
dave1357
When: 15 Aug 20 22:40

Aug 15, 2020 -- 8:15PM, InsiderTrader wrote:


Dave dodging the question there after falsely labeling me a racist.Cannot even bring himself to apologise.


I asked you if you were a racist, I didn't say you were a racist  The phrase "china virus" is used by racists.  If you don't use such phrases, you won't have people asking if you are a racist.

By:
politicspunter
When: 15 Aug 20 22:42
https://thebulwark.com/natural-born-citizens/

The future that Trumpists worry about is already here. Kamala Harris is the face of America in 2020, the tawny-skinned child of immigrants. She is as American as apple pie and hot dogs, as pizza and ramen noodles, as empanadas and samosas—and there is little Donald Trump or his apologists can do about it.
By:
dave1357
When: 15 Aug 20 22:42
^^ ok timmeh so your position is that trump thinks that his absentee ballot is creating an opportunity for fraud but he is going ahead anyway.  Is that where we are?
By:
timbuctooth
When: 15 Aug 20 22:56
Absentee votes have had a number of fraudulent cases but, by and large, it`s small scale, with nobody seeing it as a serious problem. So yes, The Don`s `going ahead`, knowing fraud is not only possible, but pretty much guaranteed, with even his own vote at risk of being lost/stolen/intercepted/uncounted, but not fraud to a result-changing degree
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 15 Aug 20 22:57

Aug 15, 2020 -- 10:40PM, dave1357 wrote:


Aug 15, 2020 --  8:15PM, InsiderTrader wrote:Dave dodging the question there after falsely labeling me a racist.Cannot even bring himself to apologise.I asked you if you were a racist, I didn't say you were a racist  The phrase "china virus" is used by racists.  If you don't use such phrases, you won't have people asking if you are a racist.


The phrase 'China Virus' and 'Chinese Virus' was used by:

CNN
BBC website
BBC TV
The Guardian Newspaper
The LA Times
The New York Post
Insider Magazine

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51171035

https://www.theguardian.com/science/live/2020/jan/23/coronavirus-china-virus-flu-scotland-testing-wuhan-live-news-updates

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-01-21/china-coronavirus-outbreak-us

https://nypost.com/2020/01/23/dont-buy-the-media-hype-over-the-new-china-virus/

https://www.insider.com/china-wuhan-virus-what-is-a-coronavirus-infection-2020-1

Videos:

Channel 4 news
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luztqxUBvZo

BBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHl8Lh67bnY

AFP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2SWEyhrmBA

CNN
https://twitter.com/mrctv/status/1238186498433966081


What on earth is 'racist' about using those terms to describe a virus from China?

PLEASE TALK US THROUGH YOUR LOGIC AS TO WHY CNN, BBC THE GUARDIAN ETC ARE RACIST?

By:
timbuctooth
When: 15 Aug 20 23:09
They (and many others like them) all referred to it as the china/chinese/wuhan virus until their globalist paymasters in beijing realised what a PR disaster it was, and ordered them to stop.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 15 Aug 20 23:21
Tim this one in particular just shows how confused the likes of Dave are...

https://twitter.com/mrctv/status/1238186498433966081

CNN uses the terms many many times. Trump uses the same term and suddenly it is racist.
By:
dave1357
When: 15 Aug 20 23:21
^^rofl are any of those links after January?  Here's some more recent ones

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/22/politics/kayleigh-mcenany-defends-racist-coronavirus-term/index.html

Increased racist rhetoric by politicians, like President Donald Trump’s erroneous use of the term “China Virus” for COVID-19, is often the first step to racialized violence.

https://theconversation.com/anti-asian-racism-during-coronavirus-how-the-language-of-disease-produces-hate-and-violence-134496

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/trump-tweets-about-coronavirus-using-term-chinese-virus-n1161161


Trump tweets about coronavirus using term 'Chinese Virus'
The CDC has warned against naming diseases after locations, saying it stigmatizes residents.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-06-22/trump-kung-flu-coronavirus

,,
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 15 Aug 20 23:25
So saying 'China Virus' in January was NOT racist.
But saying 'China Virus' in August IS racist

?????????
By:
timbuctooth
When: 15 Aug 20 23:34
Here`s yet another ongoing case;


New Jersey's All-Mail Vote Debacle Is a Warning for November

Even as New Jersey voters look to the general election, many are still coping with the aftermath of the state’s first all-mail vote. Paterson, the Garden State’s third-largest city, is mired in a burgeoning election scandal. One in five ballots have been rejected. The local NAACP has cried foul. And now, four men — including a councilman and councilman-elect — have been charged by the state’s attorney general with criminal election fraud.

The state’s May 12 election was conducted entirely by mail on Gov. Phil Murphy’s order. Ballots were automatically sent to every registration. That makes Paterson an early test of the vote-by-mail model now being pushed in unison by the political left. The fact that it immediately went off the rails is a warning to the nation that we would be foolish to ignore.

Concerns began mounting before voting had even ended. Undeliverable ballots piled up in trash cans and apartment lobbies. Even though state law forbids anyone from collecting more than three ballots, roughly 800 ballots were found bundled together — 400 were stuffed into one mailbox, and 360 more were found in another in a completely different town. That evidence of illegal vote harvesting led officials to reject them all.

Another 1,214 votes were disqualified because the voters’ signatures did not match official records, and 1,000 more because the “bearer” — the person who collected and delivered the vote — didn’t properly report doing so. Voters reported never receiving ballots even though they are listed as having voted — in other words, someone else purportedly cast their vote.

Ultimately, nearly 20% of ballots cast on May 12 were invalidated. Paterson NAACP leader Rev. Kenneth Clayton summed it up best: “These kinds of acts make people not want to vote anymore.”

Unsurprisingly, the four people recently indicted face charges that they illegally possessed or tampered with ballots. Fresh accusations are coming to light that one of the defendant’s campaigns hired workers to churn out fraudulent votes in bulk.

The simple fact is, mail voting is more susceptible to error and fraud than voting in person. Bad actors can get their hands on mail ballots and alter, forge, or destroy them. Anytime voting takes place away from the controlled and observed confines of a polling place, it is less secure. Fifteen years ago a commission co-chaired by President Jimmy Carter warned that mail-in voting is likely to increase the risks of fraud and of contested elections.”

That’s as true today as it was then.

Jury-rigging a vote-by-mail system doesn’t just risk fraud. The New Jersey Spotlight reported that one in 10 ballots cast statewide were rejected for various reasons. Many arrived too late to be counted, a stark reminder that mail ballots can be lost or delayed. Roughly a third of rejected ballots had something wrong with the ballot itself: the ballot was not enclosed, for instance, or was missing information necessary to be processed.

These sorts of mistakes — to say nothing of innocent errors like voting for too many candidates in a single race — are easily fixed at polling places. Not so when those votes are mailed in. Studies show that first-time absentee voters are more likely to make mistakes that force officials to disqualify their ballots. Let’s not forget, an unprecedented portion of the electorate this fall will be first-time mail voters. Imagine the nightmare of a November election decided by a hair, but with a sizable percentage of ballots thrown out.

Vote-by-mail proponents retort that the obvious solution to the problem of rejected ballots is to discard the rules and safeguards that lead to ballots being invalidated. Liberal groups and their allies have filed dozens of partisan lawsuits across the nation to force this plan on states. Its core pillars: Automatically mail ballots even to voters who are likely deceased or have moved away, allow vote harvesting, and dismantle the systems that states use to stop vote tampering and ensure each vote is cast by a lawful voter.

In other words, the aim of the vote-by-mail crowd is to create all the conditions that made the Paterson election ripe for fraud, but remove the tools that allowed that fraud to be detected, stopped, and prosecuted. Do they really believe no one will take advantage of that free-for-all?
Most voters understand that in fair elections it must be both easy to vote, and hard to cheat. Fraud, both real and perceived, turns people off.

States are down to the wire to finalize their plans for voting this fall. Vulnerable voters need to be able to request absentee votes, but that is a far cry from the all-mail election that activists are pining for. Their plan is a recipe for disaster. If we implement it, we may soon be asking ourselves how we could have ignored Paterson’s warning.





And here`s the all too obvious outcome;



Singh Calls for Recount After Ballot Fiasco in NJ Leaves Tens of Thousands Uncounted, Thrown Away and Lost

With over 40,000 ballots not yet reported and over 27,000 ballots known to have been thrown away and not counted, Republican U.S. Senate candidate Hirsh Singh has filed for recounts in all 21 New Jersey counties.  Singh is just over 1% behind his opponent, former Obama Democrat Rikin Mehta, meaning those uncounted votes are important.Singh has announced he is seeking a recount in the still-uncertified U.S. Senate race more than three weeks after the Primary Election took place.

“The people pay taxes to have fair and open elections. They deserve to have their votes counted. Their voices will not be silenced,” Singh said.

“This election is replete with disparities, discrepancies, and irregularities,” said Singh, who has been fighting to receive information on the number of basic votes and other pertinent election data from each of New Jersey’s 21 counties since July 7th, the date of the Primary Election.

Singh said so far, judges in four counties have signed orders authorizing recounts to commence while hearings are set to be held in four more counties today.

“Phil Murphy has caused chaos, concern, and confusion that Vladimir Putin and the Chinese Communist Party could only dream of,” Singh said. “Tens of thousands of voters have been disenfranchised as a result of his mandatory vote-by-mail scheme, and he and his cronies in Trenton seem content to normalize these deficiencies and erode our tradition of holding fair, open, and honest elections. Not on my watch.”

In seeking recounts in each of the 21 counties, Singh has cited a multitude of troubling issues:

Ballots postmarked July 8th were improperly counted and/or separated from ballots postmarked on July 7th; the deadline by which all vote-by-mail ballots were to be accepted
Ballots marked with a clear intention by the voter but that were unable to be read by vote-counting machines
Ballots thrown out for minor matters such as stray markings
Ballots thrown out for lack of response to “cure” letters; a process that is wholly unfamiliar to voters
Ballots counted in secret, without campaign challengers having the benefit of being present for the process
Ballots found in unsealed bags without chain-of-custody history
Ballots rejected for unspecified/unreported reasons

Singh said the circumstances surrounding this election are unprecedented. He could think of no other election in recent memory where tens of thousands of voters were disenfranchised, and where a candidate seeking basic information on his election was illegally denied that information or ignored by elections officials.“This would never happen in a regular New Jersey election, Singh said. “Would tens of thousands of people be told in traditional polling places like firehouses, gymnasiums or community centers across the state, ‘Sorry, but your vote doesn’t count this year?’

“The people wouldn’t stand for it. The people would outright reject it. But Phil Murphy and his team of lackeys in the Attorney General’s Office think they can trick the people of NJ because the election was conducted by mail.”
Singh said that if the votes from this unprecedented Primary Election are not properly and transparently counted across the state, Murphy and his minions would try to get away with even more shenanigans this November.
By:
dave1357
When: 15 Aug 20 23:36
^^Do you really think everyone is as stupid as the right wing?

The virus was discovered in China, it was given a scientific name. You have used that name many times.  Your hero Donny started calling it the "China virus" to appeal to the slime that he needs to appease.  And now you use that phrase.
By:
timbuctooth
When: 15 Aug 20 23:41
dave, what do you call ebola? And Lyme disease?



No, the answer`s not; `The Don`s fault`!
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 15 Aug 20 23:44

Aug 15, 2020 -- 11:36PM, dave1357 wrote:


^^Do you really think everyone is as stupid as the right wing?The virus was discovered in China, it was given a scientific name. You have used that name many times.  Your hero Donny started calling it the "China virus" to appeal to the slime that he needs to appease.  And now you use that phrase.


Yes it was given a scientific name back in January well before all those articles I posted.

'2019-nCoV' or '2019 Novel Coronavirus' was in place at least by 19th Jan from World Health Organisation.

So I ask again.

Why is:

Saying 'China Virus' in January NOT racist.
Saying 'China Virus' in August is racist

????

Surely the BBC should have been saying '2019 Novel Coronavirus' back on Jan 20th

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51171035

ARE THE BBC RACIST FOR HEADLINING:

'New China virus: Cases triple as infection spreads to Beijing and Shanghai'

By:
timbuctooth
When: 15 Aug 20 23:45
As a man so keen for answers, why have you swerved answering this one, please?

InsiderTrader 15 Aug 20 23:25 
So saying 'China Virus' in January was NOT racist.
But saying 'China Virus' in August IS racist ?????????
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 15 Aug 20 23:47
A simple apology that you got it wrong will do Dave.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 15 Aug 20 23:48
Or are willing to say CNN, Guardian, BBC, Channel 4 etc are racist for saying it?
By:
timbuctooth
When: 15 Aug 20 23:48
OOPs, I now see I`m not the only one looking for enlightenment on this particularly intriguing question
By:
timbuctooth
When: 15 Aug 20 23:50
He`s utterly flummoxed, had to put in an Official Call to beijing to find out what today`s party line is.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 16 Aug 20 09:29
Dave run away as he could not admit that saying 'China Virus' was not racist or say that the Guardian, CNN, Channel 4 news and the BBC are racist.
By:
cooperman
When: 16 Aug 20 09:39
Apparently Joe and Kamala are sending Mexican dogs ballot papers and the dogs are voting then going out to their cars putting on a different collar and going back in and voting over and over.
By:
dave1357
When: 16 Aug 20 09:42
Sorry you waited up.

You know what you said and why you said it.  You know why trump said it.  Please link any recent guardian, bbc etc reports using the term "China virus", other than in the context of reporting on trump or his surrogates.
By:
lfc1971
When: 16 Aug 20 09:43
It’s important that we use the term China virus at least from time to time
Lest we forget and it happens again
Keep a close watch on CHINA if they ever so much as get the flu
By:
lfc1971
When: 16 Aug 20 09:47
Don’t worry Dave and his type are all to quick and happy to point out any little fault in America ,
don’t know why they are so sensitive about the CHI-NAA virus
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 16 Aug 20 09:48

Aug 16, 2020 -- 9:42AM, dave1357 wrote:


Sorry you waited up.You know what you said and why you said it.  You know why trump said it.  Please link any recent guardian, bbc etc reports using the term "China virus", other than in the context of reporting on trump or his surrogates.


I have given you all the links you need of article written AFTER the virus was given its scientific name.

From what I can tell your warped view of the world is:

Trump says something it is racist.

The Liberal media say exactly the same thing to the letter and it is fine????

Please confirm if this is your thinking Dave.

By:
politicspunter
When: 16 Aug 20 10:21

Aug 16, 2020 -- 9:39AM, cooperman wrote:


Apparently Joe and Kamala are sending Mexican dogs ballot papers and the dogs are voting then going out to their cars putting on a different collar and going back in and voting over and over.


Lol, a cracker Laugh

By:
dave1357
When: 16 Aug 20 10:21
I can't believe you are really this obtuse - a virus that is mainly located in China, as it was in January, is clearly going to use the word China in reporting.  After the virus spread that reporting stopped.


Are you going to continue to use the racist trope "China virus"?
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 16 Aug 20 10:23
Dave, by January the virus was already all over the world.

Next excuse?
By:
politicspunter
When: 16 Aug 20 10:23
Dave, only Trump and his followers use this racist term. Ignore them.
By:
dave1357
When: 16 Aug 20 10:30
^^ it was declared a pandemic in march.

I'm not the one making excuses, you are.  You know that the term is a racist trope.  Are you going to stop using it?   

If you aren't then this conversation is pointless.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 16 Aug 20 10:32
So if a virus is not declared a pandemic by WHO then it is ok to refer the to the virus to the place it originates from?
By:
lfc1971
When: 16 Aug 20 10:34
Trump may have used to term for political ends , but not racist ( he was in a trade war to some extent with China )
Trump is not a racist, imo
By:
dave1357
When: 16 Aug 20 10:36
InsiderTrader • August 16, 2020 10:23 AM BST
Dave, by January the virus was already all over the world.


dave1357 • August 16, 2020 10:30 AM BST
^^ it was declared a pandemic in march.
By:
darren_discombobulates_sports
When: 16 Aug 20 10:46
Donald Trump's brother had died, wonder how this will affect Trump's campaigning, can imagine him being more sombre, which would help Biden, unless Trump started paying to tribute to him at every rally, making people feel sorry for him.
By:
dave1357
When: 16 Aug 20 10:58
It is with heavy heart I share that my wonderful brother, Robert, peacefully passed away tonight. He was not just my brother, he was my best friend. He will be greatly missed, but we will meet again. His memory will live on in my heart forever. Robert, I love you. Rest in peace

The bolded bit isn't a very nice thing to say.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 16 Aug 20 11:03

Aug 16, 2020 -- 10:36AM, dave1357 wrote:


InsiderTrader • August 16, 2020 10:23 AM BSTDave, by January the virus was already all over the world.dave1357 • August 16, 2020 10:30 AM BST^^ it was declared a pandemic in march.


So if a virus is not declared a pandemic by WHO then it is OK to refer the to the virus to the place it originates from?

Can you confirm Dave that is ok pre-pandemic announcement to do this?

By:
dave1357
When: 16 Aug 20 11:05
You know that the term is a racist trope.  Are you going to stop using it?   

If you aren't then this conversation is pointless.
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