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By:
politicspunter
When: 04 Aug 20 16:46
There will always be Conservative members who will never vote for him.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 04 Aug 20 16:51
Especially the new found 6% bnp

I think most tories would accept Sunak, indeed vast majority.
By:
politicspunter
When: 04 Aug 20 17:01
No doubt about it.
By:
Cider
When: 04 Aug 20 17:03
Any Tory threat is from the right, not the left. People can try and paint it how they like but Labour remains a hard left party. Starmer is able to obfuscate during the pandemic but clearly won't get away with that for four years. The Liberal 'Democrats' will always suck up some hard left votes, and the forlorn hope of remaining is no longer a reason to vote Labour (or LD).

Since polls now have no impact on the next GE, it's rather irrelevant from a betting pov.
By:
politicspunter
When: 04 Aug 20 17:06

Aug 4, 2020 -- 5:03PM, Cider wrote:


Any Tory threat is from the right, not the left. People can try and paint it how they like but Labour remains a hard left party. Starmer is able to obfuscate during the pandemic but clearly won't get away with that for four years. The Liberal 'Democrats' will always suck up some hard left votes, and the forlorn hope of remaining is no longer a reason to vote Labour (or LD). Since polls now have no impact on the next GE, it's rather irrelevant from a betting pov.


It shows how much you know about polling and political betting if you think it's irrelevant till the next General election.

By:
Cider
When: 04 Aug 20 17:07
Yes, plenty!
By:
Cider
When: 04 Aug 20 17:09
If I was building a book now it would be a factor, as it will impact on prevailing prices. It certainly has no effect as my MO is to bet on what the outcome will be, ie being ahead of the polls, I'm not a trader.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 04 Aug 20 17:12
It's like we can't bet on the outcome of the next election.

Tongue OutTongue OutTongue OutTongue Out
By:
politicspunter
When: 04 Aug 20 17:14

Aug 4, 2020 -- 5:07PM, Cider wrote:


Yes, plenty!


You have just demonstrated that you know zilch.

By:
Cider
When: 04 Aug 20 17:15

Aug 4, 2020 -- 5:12PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


It's like we can't bet on the outcome of the next election.


If you can read what I said, polls have no effect on the next GE. They shift around enough during purdah ffs.

By:
aaronh
When: 04 Aug 20 17:32

Aug 4, 2020 -- 5:06PM, politicspunter wrote:


Aug  4, 2020 --  5:03PM, Cider wrote:Any Tory threat is from the right, not the left. People can try and paint it how they like but Labour remains a hard left party. Starmer is able to obfuscate during the pandemic but clearly won't get away with that for four years. The Liberal 'Democrats' will always suck up some hard left votes, and the forlorn hope of remaining is no longer a reason to vote Labour (or LD). Since polls now have no impact on the next GE, it's rather irrelevant from a betting pov.It shows how much you know about polling and political betting if you think it's irrelevant till the next General election.


And politics if he thinks Labour is a hard left party and that the LIB DEMS!! suck up "hard left" votes

By:
aaronh
When: 04 Aug 20 17:34
starmer's approval ratings are nice but look like they won't help dent the 40% floor the Tories have right now.

Labour are going to want to run a presidential campaign in 2024 but their only hope is that Boris picks up Trump level unpopularity which looks very unlikely
By:
Cider
When: 04 Aug 20 17:43
Presidential campaign led by the charismatic Starmer Laugh And you're questioning my political judgement Laugh
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 04 Aug 20 17:48
The green party are an odd fish too, as those that didn't like corbyn were voting green

Theres a few votes there that can be snaffled by a few decent policies
but I suspect they ain't ever voting tory...
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Aug 20 18:08

Aug 4, 2020 -- 5:43PM, Cider wrote:


Presidential campaign led by the charismatic Starmer  And you're questioning my political judgement


They've offered nothing on the basis of policy and spent months agreeing with the government.

Their plan will to be draw as many voters who will see Starmer as a smart and competent (and yes, dull) managerial type in contrast to what they will portray as a chaotic rule by Boris. And it likely won't work because of the current Tory floor I mentioned.

Only extreme Boris popularity (assuming he runs) will give a chance for success and the possibility of Starmer getting a somewhat fair run in the press. He's getting it now but can't count on that in 4 years

By:
aaronh
When: 04 Aug 20 18:08
unpopularity rather
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Aug 20 18:11
greens are a weird one because they are the natural home for disaffected leftists but they feel more like a liberal party which is supposed to focus on environmental issues a lot more. Its not the likely home for radical types be it actual "far left" on economics or XR types on climate

As it is they spent the last election cycle more obsessed with Brexit than climate change
By:
Cider
When: 04 Aug 20 18:36
The Conservative party is typically pragmatic, if it looks like they are heading to defeat BJ will be dispatched before the next election. However, nobody knows what the political landscape will be in the lead up to the next GE. Starmer is not a relatable character and perma miserable. Fine during the corona crisis but he has no other gear. There's no indication that he appreciates the positive history of the country he wants to lead, has any kind of patriotism or humour. If this can change, I can change my view on him too but it seems extremely unlikely.
By:
Cider
When: 04 Aug 20 18:44
I see politicspunter posted the same poll twice, must have meant to post this one:

Best Prime Minister:

Boris Johnson 42% (-3)
Keir Starmer 35% (+1)
Don't know 23% (+2)

989 respondents, fieldwork 31 Jul - 3 Aug 2020. Changes w/ 10-12 Jul 2020.
By:
politicspunter
When: 04 Aug 20 18:59
Favourability Ratings:

Keir Starmer:
Fav: 37%
Unfav: 28%
NET: +9% (+5)

Boris Johnson:
Fav: 43%
Unfav: 43%
NET: ±0% (+4)

Via
@Survation
, 31 Jul - 1 Aug.
Changes w/ 3-6 Jul.
By:
politicspunter
When: 04 Aug 20 19:01
NEW
@Survation
Poll – Government Performance Favourability Ratings:

Net Rating: -7% (-9)

Favourable38% (-3)
Unfavourable45% (+5)

1,019 respondents, fieldwork 31 Jul - 3 Aug 2020. Changes w/ 10-12 Jul 2020.
By:
politicspunter
When: 05 Aug 20 17:08
Westminster voting intention:

CON: 43% (-1)
LAB: 35% (-)
LDEM: 6% (-1)
GRN: 5% (+1)
BREX: 3% (-)

via
@YouGov
, 30 - 31 Jul
Chgs. w/ 23 Jul
By:
politicspunter
When: 06 Aug 20 15:33
Westminster voting intention:

CON: 45% (+2)
LAB: 37% (-1)
LDEM: 6% (-4)
GRN: 5% (+2)

via
@IpsosMORI
, 30 Jul - 04 Aug
Chgs. w/ Jun
By:
politicspunter
When: 07 Aug 20 13:59
Westminster voting intention:

CON: 42% (-1)
LAB: 36% (+1)
LDEM: 8% (+2)

via
@YouGov
, 04 - 05 Aug
By:
politicspunter
When: 07 Aug 20 13:59
On who would make best Prime Minister:

Keir Starmer: 34% (+3)
Boris Johnson: 32% (-1)

via
@YouGov
, 04 - 05 Aug
Chgs. w/ 31 Jul
By:
politicspunter
When: 11 Aug 20 16:57
Latest Westminster voting intention (4-5 August)

Con - 42%
Lab - 36%
Lib Dem - 8%
Green - 5%
SNP - 5%
Brexit Party - 2%

Latest Yougov.
By:
politicspunter
When: 11 Aug 20 16:57
Which of the following do you think would make the best PM?

Boris Johnson - 32%
Keir Starmer - 34%

Within margin of error, but this is the first Starmer lead we've recorded

Yougov again.
By:
politicspunter
When: 15 Aug 20 08:00
UK (GB), Redfield & Wilton Strategies poll:

CON-ECR: 43% 
LAB-S&D: 36% (-2)
LDEM-RE: 9% (+1)
SNP-G/EFA: 4%
GREENS-G/EFA: 4% 
PC-G/EFA: 0% 

+/- vs. 29 July 2020

Fieldwork: 12 August 2020
Sample size: 2,000
By:
politicspunter
When: 15 Aug 20 20:57
Westminster voting intention:

CON: 42% (+1)
LAB: 39% (+1)
LDEM: 5% (-1)

via
@OpiniumResearch
By:
politicspunter
When: 19 Aug 20 19:09
Tory lead falls to 2pts following the A-level results debacle

Latest Westminster voting intention (18-19 Aug)

Con - 40% (-4 from last week)
Lab - 38% (+3)
Lib Dem - 6%
Green - 6%
Brexit Party - 4%
SNP - 5%

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/08/19/voting-intention-con-40-lab-38-18-19-aug?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=website_article&utm_campaign=VI_19_Aug_2020
By:
politicspunter
When: 20 Aug 20 10:10
UK (GB), Savanta ComRes poll:

CON-ECR: 42% (-1)
LAB-S&D: 37%
LDEM-RE: 7% (+1)
SNP-G/EFA: 4% (-1)
GREENS-G/EFA: 3% (+1)
BREXIT-NI: 2%
PC-G/EFA: 1%

+/- vs. 17-19 July 2020

Fieldwork: 14-16 August 2020
Sample size: 2,083
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Aug 20 19:28
NEW @Survation Poll – Westminster Voting Intention:

CON 41% (-3)
LAB 37% (+2)
LD   9% (+1)
GRN 4% (-1)
SNP 5% (+1)
BXP 1% (+1)
OTH 3% (-1)

1,005 respondents, fieldwork 21 Aug 2020. Changes w/ 31 July - 3 Aug  2020.
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Aug 20 19:28
Tory lead cut by five points after exams chaos. Govt and Johnson ratings down. Starmer up by 9 points.
By:
politicspunter
When: 26 Aug 20 11:12
Westminster voting intention:

CON: 43% (+3)
LAB: 36% (-2)
LDEM: 6% (-)
GRN: 4% (-2)
BREX: 3% (-1)

via
@YouGov
, 24 - 25 Aug
Chgs. w/ 18 Aug
By:
aaronh
When: 26 Aug 20 12:49
looks like the Tories got away with it again
By:
politicspunter
When: 26 Aug 20 12:53
I don't think there is going to be a lot of movement in these figures until perhaps we see where we are with Brexit next year. Huge batch of local elections in May 2021 will be first real test of where things stand.
By:
mafeking
When: 26 Aug 20 14:54
however incompetent the government has been over the last 6 months the simple fact is the sort of voter that the labour party needs to be winning back and in droves has nothing in common with the liberal metropolitan thinking of the labour leadership. that is not likely to change

boris may be an idiot but he's a likeable idiot and however much the MSM detest him he has more in common with the average voter certainly in terms of what both of them think are important

of course the ongoing economic turmoil of the pandemic could change all that down the linw but it's not likely to be cos people really fancy starmer and his policies
By:
politicspunter
When: 27 Aug 20 13:40
Westminster voting intention:

CON: 42% (-2)
LAB: 37% (-)
LDEM: 9% (+2)
GRN: 5% (+1)

via
@RedfieldWilton
, 24 Aug
Chgs. w/ 19 Aug
By:
politicspunter
When: 29 Aug 20 22:11
UK, Opinium poll:

CON-ECR: 40% (-2)
LAB-S&D: 40% (+1)
LDEM-RE: 6% (+1)
SNP-G/EFA: 5%
GREENS-G/EFA: 3%
UKIP-ID: 2% (-1)
PC-G/EFA: 0% (-1)
BREXIT-NI: 0%

+/- vs. 13-14 Aug 2020

Fieldwork: 26-28 Aug 2020
Sample size: 2,002
By:
politicspunter
When: 29 Aug 20 22:12
Opinium net approval ratings
Johnson MINUS 8%
Starmer PLUS 14%

So net lead of 22%
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