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You see Britain is funding Airbus
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Don’t suppose they give preference to rolls Royce engines do they
Or maybe it might be boring or other companies as well I’m sure it would be easier to buy rolls Royce. you know as part of the EU? |
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you're going to have to provide some evidence for that - i've already shown you their corporate ownership structure. So what's your evidence for this alt-fact?
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Do Airbus buy Rills Royce engines , or is it Ameican engines as well , you know a country outside the EU
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before we move on, please provide evidence that Britain funds Airbus
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Britain as part of the EU funds Airbus , if you know anything about aviation. hardly any aircraft company makes a profit
Including Boeing |
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Boeing made $3b in 2017
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The A380 has never made a profit , and may never do so
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Bowing is more than aircraft production , don’t worry about that
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Britain as part of the EU funds Airbus
2 problems with that statement. 1. i've already shown you Airbus ownership structure. 2. UK leaving the Eu. Britain doesn't fund airbus. |
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Boeing made $3b in 2017
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ok
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you can keep going with your drivel for ever and you wont change the real world.
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Boeing is more than aircraft , I doubt it’s aircraft make a profit , and airbus get government subsidies from Britain to keep it afloat
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bp you haven’t explained how airbus employ 129 000 people worldwide
or how they manage to buy from outside the EU , including American engines as well |
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You see Boeing is selling those engines to airbus , at a profit
Understand ? That’s engines not aircraft |
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It’s a complucated business aviation , Boeing may make a profit on its 747 or 777 it may not
But of course the company is a giant and employs thousands of people |
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Will the A380 ever make a profit? I doubt it
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Airbus employs people globally in countries that have trade deals with the EU.
If we leave WITHOUT A DEAL the UK will not be in the same boat as the US (to use you example). Get it? They are saying a NO DEAL BREXIT is a problem. |
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they are not saying the UK has to stay in the EU to keep people employed here - they are saying the absence of a deal with the EU would be the problem.
And your examples reinforce this point: The US has a trade deal with the EU. |
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The UK needs one too...
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There is no trade deal neede for aviation , thankyou
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Now if you are saying that the Americans have negotiated a special deal , a better deal than the one we have now as members of the EU
That means it can sell engines that airbus That doesn’t say very much for being part of the EU then does it? You really are going to have to think logically bigpop |
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airbus makes things in the UK which form a part of a wider European manufacturing process.
if the UK is not in the EU and doesn't have a deal for continued (disruption free) pan-EU manufacture then companies like Airbus/BMW will encounter new obstacles to having parts of their process in the UK. They may (Airbus announced as much this week) have to relocate those operations. so - using logic - please tell me why they are wrong. and please provide evidence to support your qualification for knowing more about running a global business than their CEO. They don't want to leave by the way; they've made huge investments here. |
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Why should it matter if they are made in the UK or America or any other part of the world ?
What are the specific difficulties that the ceo of airbus refers to we would have to know that first before it’s possible to comment |
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Go ahead bp , what did he say ?
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you've already chosen to comment based on your preconceived ideas - now what, you're uncommenting until I give you specifics upon which to comment?
proper headbanger this lad. |
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Well I didn’t particular want to comment without the facts
I love and honour facts ... |
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the facts are they are trying to influence the Brexit negotiations because no deal is going to cost them a fortune (as they'll have to leave - according to their CEO). I've no idea why anyone other than insiders at Airbus can know this is a bluff (as the Brexiteers here so confidently assert). Logic suggests new trade barriers/divergent standards would be an actual problem. It's a consistent message from business leaders - the auto industry evidence before the parliamentary select committee suggests it's real. Calmly and matter of factly the people from Renault and Aston Martin explained their different business models and why they need clarity around the future UK/EU relationship.
They're not making it up. |
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Yes that might be true , let’s look at airbus
What will be the particular and specific problem in regard to a product manufactured in Britain or one manufactured in America for example ? |
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I'm not claiming to be qualified to answer that - I defer to their CEO's comments.
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You see I would like to know why they have to leave
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ok, we don’t know
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but in general terms I understand the difference to be that there are already arrangements in place between the US and the EU, and the CEO of Airbus is saying there needs to be a deal between the UK and the EU.
you appear to be saying it's all the same and he's what? wrong? making it up? there doesn't need to be a UK/EU deal? |
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certainly for aviation there is no need to have a deal , not sure what the American deal is but if it is better then we should have the same deal
That’s fine |
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You see I would like to know why they have to leave
because of the part of the Leave Campaign which is true: the Eu is a protectionist trading block, and you have to abide by their rules to waltz in and out of their massive market. Thus it follows - if you're not in the EU, you need an agreement about your access (for trade), and pan European supply chains rely on freedom to go cross-national borders as if they are not there. |
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not for aviation
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if we are outside the EU, they demand we adhere to their standards before they'll play. Thus - you can think you're taking back control - but you cannot really (unless you destroy panEU business).
This is the unbaking of the cake which was mentioned once or twice during the campaign. it's real - not invented. |
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We are smaller than them. 500m people versus 65m
We need each other but we need them more. Brexit would have been less stupid if we could have known the EU would split - it still might - but if it doesn't then they have more leverage than we do. See our recent attempts to use security as a chip. So - in aviation - it's an issue if they say it is. Get used to this: EU/UK negotiations are not between equal partners. |
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well it doesn’t seem to be much of a problem for America to adhere to aviation standards
I’m sure Britain can do so as well |