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By:
bigpoppapump
When: 29 Jun 18 13:47
Laugh
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Jun 18 13:50
Rydals , or anyone else’s mother should not have to be desperately grateful  to anyone from the Philippines or Eastern Europe or any other country in the world
She would gave earned the right for that care from her own country and her own people and herself
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Jun 18 13:50
Sickening to think that it should be otherwise
By:
bigpoppapump
When: 29 Jun 18 13:53
erm, Airbus employs 14,000 people in the UK.

Boeing employs 2,200 and has no plans to employ 40,000 more unless akabula could post a link?  I notice he's vanished from this thread.
By:
bigpoppapump
When: 29 Jun 18 13:55
Jacob Rees-Mogg's Hedge fund has created itself an EU lifeline by registering in Dublin in the event there's a no Deal Brexit. 
I do wonder why he thinks his business needs such a safety net but guess it's simple risk management?
By:
bigpoppapump
When: 29 Jun 18 13:57
Pro-Brexit Welsh Conservative leader Andrew Davies has quit for inapprpriate remarks accusing Airbus of hyperbole.

Boris Johnson's "fk business" remarks in an effort to sooth fears in the business sector haven't seen him quit, so that's good. or something.
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Jun 18 14:03
Well let’s see America is one country with however many jobs , and of course more aviation companies than just Boeing , who also provide jobs
Then there is Canada and Bombardier who provide jobs etc .. now the EU is 28 countries and at the minute Britain and France and Germany and Spain provide airbus jobs
When we leave we may still invest in Airbus as part of the EU , perhaps no change
If there is a change then we can use the same investment into our home aviation industry
That’s good
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Jun 18 14:05
Lear jet are another American company that provide aviation jobs in Britain
By:
bigpoppapump
When: 29 Jun 18 14:05
sorry lfc was there a point to that post?  reads as if you've been out in the sun a little long.
By:
bigpoppapump
When: 29 Jun 18 14:06
can you - or anyone - post a link to the 40,000 Boeing jobs or will akabula apologise?

or - 1.01 - neither will happen...
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Jun 18 14:07
Now don’t forget that is jobs and profits going to British alone , not to be split between the rest of the EU
By:
bigpoppapump
When: 29 Jun 18 14:08
BMW employs 8,000 directly in the UK with another 14,000 indirectly in its dealer network.  Assume they'll keep the dealerships even if they move manufacturing?
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Jun 18 14:10
Bp I am pointing out the no of jobs that Britain’s links to America and the aviation industry provide
As part of the EU then of course the Airbus jobs are by definition British jobs provided by ourselves
But the American jobs , they are provided by America
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Jun 18 14:12
BP BMW is here in Britain because this is Britain , no other reason
By:
bigpoppapump
When: 29 Jun 18 14:14
The Business - Airbus - says it may have to abandon its UK operation if there's no Brexit deal.  It must be desperate because it's Broughton plant has had a $2b investment.  Airbus employs 14,000 uk workers.

I assume you're not one of them, because you don't seem to have clicked that this is bad news.
By:
bigpoppapump
When: 29 Jun 18 14:15
BP BMW is here in Britain because this is Britain , no other reason

nope.  They're here because of money.
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Jun 18 14:16
That’s good that’s what I said
By:
bigpoppapump
When: 29 Jun 18 14:18
I go on holiday because a country is a country (no other reason).

BMW are here to make money, no other reason.  and if they cannot make money they wont stay "because it"s Britian"  (even if they knew you'd said so).
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Jun 18 14:19
BP Airbus does employ 14,000 workers as part of Britain
Not anywhere else
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Jun 18 14:20
no one would expect BMW to stay here if they don’t make money , of course
That would be silly
By:
bigpoppapump
When: 29 Jun 18 14:21
Airbus employed 129,000 people globally in 2017.

So plenty of anywhere else.  For what it's worth - appreciate this fact wont land and you'll ramble off in a different direction and eventually arrive at immigration.
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Jun 18 14:23
Well there you are , I don’t think Britain is doing very well out of our investment in Airbus and being part of the EU if all those jobs are going elsewhere
By:
bigpoppapump
When: 29 Jun 18 14:24
it's not your fault - or other Brexit voters - if the economy takes a massive smash from the Brexit.

although you were warned, you also had lots of people telling you it was all tosh and a deal would get done (it still might).  So don't feel like you need to defend a decision once (if) it looks to have been a bad one.  you're entitled to your vote, and that's democracy.

Plain
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Jun 18 14:24
Wonder where all those jobs are going to ?
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Jun 18 14:25
Maybe to others EU countries or even countries outside the EU , 129 000
Hmmm
By:
bigpoppapump
When: 29 Jun 18 14:27
Well there you are , I don’t think Britain is doing very well out of our investment in Airbus and being part of the EU if all those jobs are going elsewhere

who do you think owns Airbus? 

(it's not a trick question - this is public information)
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Jun 18 14:27
I don’t know , ever get the feeling you haven’t got a very good deal , well the numbers don’t look good however you count them
By:
bigpoppapump
When: 29 Jun 18 14:28
are you saying airbus should have its entire global operation in the UK?

and if it doesn't the "jobs are going elsewhere"  Laugh
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Jun 18 14:29
of course not , where are those 129 000 jobs going to then  ?
just asking
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Jun 18 14:30
Let’s start with France and Germany
By:
bigpoppapump
When: 29 Jun 18 14:31
what do you mean by "going to"?

that implies they are moving? 

are you asking where does airbus employ people?
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Jun 18 14:33
Well you are the one who mentioned the 129.000 jobs, not me
By:
bigpoppapump
When: 29 Jun 18 14:35
As of 22 June 2018, 73.6 % of Airbus Group stock is publicly traded on six European stock exchanges, while the remaining 26.4 % is owned by a "Contractual Partnership". As at 26 April 2018, the partnership is owned by SOGEPA (11.1%), GZBV (11.1%) and SEPI (4.2%). SOGEPA is owned by the French State, GZBV is majority owned by KfW, while SEPI is a Spanish state holding company.[84]
By:
bigpoppapump
When: 29 Jun 18 14:37
they employ 129,000 globally and if the UK leaves the EU without a deal Airbus has said it may have to move its UK operations (14,000 direct employees).  Clearly they do not want to do this - it will be very expensive in plant costs (they recently invested $2b in Broughton in Cheshire) and loss of Human Capital.  Hence their recent attempts to influence the Brexit negotiations.
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Jun 18 14:38
very good, now the jobs which countries are getting the jobs ( any government money , including British helping to finance these jobs all over the world ?) and in France and Germany
By:
bigpoppapump
When: 29 Jun 18 14:39
yep we should pull our funding, it's all our money is airbus, bloody foreigners nicking our jobs.


Crazy
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Jun 18 14:39
So they employ 129, 000 globally
And 14 000 in Britain
What’s going on and why is it a good thing to be part of the EU again ?
By:
bigpoppapump
When: 29 Jun 18 14:39
we should bring nissan back from Japan too
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Jun 18 14:40
You see Britain is funding Airbus , but where are the jobs going ..France Germany ,elsewhere
That’s not good
By:
bigpoppapump
When: 29 Jun 18 14:42
So they employ 129, 000 globally
And 14 000 in Britain
What’s going on and why is it a good thing to be part of the EU again ?


so the EU has uniform regulations for manufacturing business - effectively it's one country.

therefore an International company like Airbus can have people making things in the UK as part of an integrated pan EU supply chain.  Decide you want to take back control?  you can change your laws but, if you leave the EU, then manufacturing companies like Airbus need to know they'll be able to meet EU requirements.  If not, they have to move their operations away from the country with the unknown laws.
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