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By:
donny osmond
When: 03 Feb 17 18:46
yes richgit , and instead vote for a party that barred a  leadership candidate for posting
his papers 15 minutes late. who elected a candidate unsuited to the job. called
a new vote in which one candidate was knocked out of the running during a fight in europe.
the new leader has been caught out several times not being honest. new leader now
fills in his election papers incorrectly , meaning if he is elected he may be barred from office.


these two parties are given a 90% chance of winning between them



what to make of the electors in this constituency ?

great for punting though !!
By:
richgit
When: 03 Feb 17 21:03
Don't vote perhaps, ....it just encourages all of 'em !
By:
Mighty Whites 2008
When: 03 Feb 17 22:01
Labour's vbote here is under tremendous stress.

You have the element who are pro brexit leaning to UKIP you have those pro remain who may go to lib dem then you have the loyal labour voter who will see corbyn as unelectable and may not vote or switch in vote in an attempt to bring him down. The only people corbyn can be confident of voting labour are socialist corbyn fanatics which will be a small proportion of the voters.

Labour will probably lose this seat to UKIP but I wouldn't rule out a strange result.
By:
anxious
When: 03 Feb 17 22:10
Rumours that Labour the Lib dems and the greens have had discussions about an alliance to stop Nutall from winning by leaving the way clear for best placed to defeat him
By:
Mighty Whites 2008
When: 03 Feb 17 22:42
The lib dems and greens only got 2300 votes at the last election so not sure how much they bring to the party.

Can't really see why the lib dems would side with labour they are certain to improve here and over the next few years will be well placed to take seats of labour in certain areas if there are by-elections.

Labour have got to find some way of getting those who used to vote for them to come out again. There choice of candidate looks like suicide, Can't help but feel that this nonsense about a technicality will back fire on them. Most people wont care a jot but it gives ukip more attention and nuttall more air time. If he has any sense he will just say this is not an issue that matters to most people im living in the house if i win i will live there labour are spending time on this because they have nothing to say about the main issues. Labour on the other hand will be wasting their time on tv droning on about this.

The labour level of incompetence art the moment is embarrassing. If they continue like this for much longer they will end up getting wiped out baring the metropolitan cities and even possibly their if the libdems get their act together.
By:
CJ70
When: 04 Feb 17 12:49

Feb 3, 2017 -- 5:00PM, Meadow X1 wrote:


Sandhill (Sunderland) result:LDEM: 45.0% (+41.5)LAB: 25.0% (-29.9)UKIP: 18.7% (-7.2)CON: 10.0% (-5.7)GRN: 1.3% (+1.3)Well look at this Sunderland result which is pretty far north (!). Same again, disgraced Labour councillor, Labour, UKIP and Conservative vote down and LibDem the beneficiary. The ex Labour voters switch to LibDem (as a protest probably) but they won't vote UKIP or Conservative.


All depends on the make up of the ward. The LD win on Thursday was on a turnout of something ridiculous like 20%, if as has been reported it was an area with civil servants it stands to reason that its Lab > LD shift rather than Lab > UKIP.

Not sure you can extrapolate too much from that apart from the LD's aren't dead(boo)

By:
ZenMaster
When: 05 Feb 17 15:03
You should get a job with the gutter press Meadow.

Is there any truth in your last post?
By:
Meadow X1
When: 05 Feb 17 15:41

Feb 5, 2017 -- 3:03PM, ZenMaster wrote:


You should get a job with the gutter press Meadow.Is there any truth in your last post?


Sure, here's all the facts and pictures here courtesy of the Daily Mail gutter press

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4192022/Nigel-Farage-sharing-pad-French-politician.html

By:
ZenMaster
When: 05 Feb 17 16:13
Haha you are worse than the gutter press Meadow, you used the term "loved up'

You seem rather desperate to demonise UKIP, anything to do with you placing a poorly thought out wager by any chance?
By:
Meadow X1
When: 05 Feb 17 19:46
Och, I've done ok over the years on the betting front. Some you win, some you lose but only bet what you can afford to lose.
By:
Meadow X1
When: 06 Feb 17 13:36
From the BBC...

Nigel Farage and wife Kirsten 'living separate lives'
1 hour ago
From the section UK Politics

Nigel Farage's wife has told the Press Association that she and her husband have been living "separate lives".
Kirsten Farage said the former UKIP leader had moved out of the family home in Kent and the situation "suits everyone" involved.
The remarks follow an unconfirmed newspaper report that Mr Farage was sharing a house in London with the French director of a think-tank.
Mr and Mrs Farage married in 1999 and have two children.
Mr Farage has not commented on the statement put out by his wife.
German-born Mrs Farage said in a statement to the Press Association: "My husband and I have lived separate lives for some years and he moved out of the family home a while ago.
"This is a situation that suits everyone and is not news to any of the people involved."

Kirsten Farage asked reporters to leave her alone
She urged reporters not to "doorstep" her family home, saying: "Having press camped out in front of my house is extremely distressing, especially for my children. Please let us get on with our lives."
The Mail on Sunday reported at the weekend that Laure Ferrari - who runs the Institute for Direct Democracy in Europe (IDDE) - has been living in the former UKIP leader's house in Chelsea for the past week.
Mr Farage told the newspaper that he was helping her out because she needed accommodation and had nowhere else to stay.
Ms Ferrari said she had been forced to move out of her own flat after the European Parliament stopped IDDE's funding.
By:
ZenMaster
When: 06 Feb 17 13:51
Does this mean the people of Stoke will no longer consider voting UKIP?

..because the previous UKIP leader has kept quiet about leaving his wife.

Dear oh dear Meadow, what's going on?
By:
Meadow X1
When: 06 Feb 17 14:02

Feb 6, 2017 -- 1:51PM, ZenMaster wrote:


Does this mean the people of Stoke will no longer consider voting UKIP? ..because the previous UKIP leader has kept quiet about leaving his wife.Dear oh dear Meadow, what's going on?


Well you asked me in your post on feb 5th at 3.03pm to give you some proof as to Farage's marital status. I have now done so. Do you need me to give you any more proof?

By:
Meadow X1
When: 07 Feb 17 15:08
Looking at who is actively canvassing in Stoke I am wondering if the Libdems might cause a shock here but not to their liking.  They are targeting Labour remainers and the LibDems have done reasonably well here in the past (a couple of not bad second places). I personally think the Conservative vote will hold up fairly well here despite their lack of activity. The only party that may gain the most from this canvassing pattern is UKIP, a result none of the other parties wishes for.
By:
Meadow X1
When: 08 Feb 17 20:29
Hmm. Paddypower going 1.67 UKIP and 2.1 Labour.
By:
ufcdan
When: 08 Feb 17 20:31
Doubt it will surprise anyone, I've backed Labour hoping I do my dough Cool
By:
ufcdan
When: 08 Feb 17 20:31
Doubt it will surprise anyone, I've backed Labour hoping I do my dough Cool
By:
ufcdan
When: 08 Feb 17 20:32
Backed em twice Crazy
By:
Meadow X1
When: 08 Feb 17 20:34
If UKip win, you will find me singing outside Glasgow Central Station with my hat of pennies in front of me.
By:
anxious
When: 08 Feb 17 20:47
Hey Dan that a real bright thing you've done there im sure that bonehead Nutall would be so proud of you Plain
By:
CJ70
When: 09 Feb 17 15:45

Feb 8, 2017 -- 8:47PM, anxious wrote:


Hey Dan that a real bright thing you've done there im sure that bonehead Nutall would be so proud of you


In he comes to throw some more abuse.

What motivates you? Is it just boredom because you don't do anything all day?

By:
anxious
When: 09 Feb 17 15:51
There is no abuse there Billy nothing but the truth there
By:
CJ70
When: 09 Feb 17 15:55

Feb 9, 2017 -- 3:51PM, anxious wrote:


There is no abuse there Billy nothing but the truth there


More abuse there's a surprise.

Is that how you justify it to yourself? You tell yourself you aren't abusive and then spend all day hurling insults over the Internet. Like the kid with chocolate on his face and an empty packet of biscuits, it's always someone else who 'dun a bad ting'.

By:
anxious
When: 09 Feb 17 16:42
What motivates you to comment on my posts is it boredom or have you nothing netter to do ?
By:
CJ70
When: 10 Feb 17 14:39

Feb 9, 2017 -- 4:42PM, anxious wrote:


What motivates you to comment on my posts is it boredom or have you nothing netter to do ?


Mainly? To find out why you bother to come to a forum and just throw abuse all day. The fact that you post nothing else but abuse answers your question.

By:
Meadow X1
When: 12 Feb 17 10:00
Ukip ‘too disorganised’ to cash in on Brexit anger in Stoke election
Candidate Paul Nuttall forced to move house over fears for his safety
Paul Nuttall and his predecessor as Ukip leader, Nigel Farage, were pelted with an egg on the Stoke campaign trail.
Paul Nuttall and his predecessor as Ukip leader, Nigel Farage, were pelted with an egg on the Stoke campaign trail. Photograph: Christopher Furlong/Getty Images
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Sunday 12 February 2017 00.05 GMT Last modified on Sunday 12 February 2017 09.45 GMT
Ukip’s campaign in Stoke-on-Trent Central is insufficiently organised to convert the city’s Brexit majority into support at the ballot box, rivals say.

The claim came as the party’s leader and candidate for next week’s crunch byelection, Paul Nuttall, was forced to move house amid fears for his safety. He has also had to deny allegations that he lied about being present at the Hillsborough disaster in 1989.

Ukip is the bookmakers’ favourite to take the seat following the resignation of the Labour MP Tristram Hunt. A handful of polls commissioned by Eurosceptic groups have put Nuttall well ahead of the Labour candidate, Gareth Snell.


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Victory in the city, where 70% voted to leave the EU, would lend weight to fears that Labour is on the brink of meltdown in its provincial heartlands. A Labour hold would raise serious doubts over Ukip’s post-Brexit appeal, although Nuttall says the seat is 72nd on the party’s target list.

However, Chris Lovell, the Lib Dems’ campaign manager, said Ukip was likely to underperform expectations. “Ukip aren’t going to win it, I can be definite on that,” he said.

“Ukip talk themselves up but don’t know how to fight elections. Our ground game is miles better than theirs, as is Labour’s. From our data, I’d be relatively confident that Ukip aren’t going to win.”

Turnout for the EU referendum was 65.7%, compared with just 49.9% – the lowest of any seat in the country – in the 2015 general election. Recent polls have consistently shown that Remain voters are more likely to turn out.

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In Stoke on Friday, Nuttall’s campaign manager, Richard Wright, said speculation that the Conservatives had deliberately pulled back to allow Ukip a clear run was misplaced. Although some Tory supporters had pledged to lend Nuttall their votes on 23 February, Wright said the Tories, who finished just 33 votes behind Ukip in 2015, had a “hard core” of local support who were proving difficult to woo.

Merseyside-born Nuttall’s bid to become an MP is already the subject of a police complaint into allegations of electoral fraud, after the house he named as his home address on his nomination papers appeared to be empty at the time. He was plunged into further controversy when he was forced to deny allegations that he had lied about being present at the Hillsborough tragedy, when 96 Liverpool fans died.

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Liverpool’s elected mayor, Joe Anderson, said Nuttall should withdraw if his claims were incorrect. “If it is true that he was at Hillsborough, then it is extremely disappointing that during many years of pain and anguish for the families he never once used his position nationally and internationally to stand up for people from his own community and join the fight for justice,” he said.

“If it’s not true then he needs to withdraw a campaign built on lies. Either way, it’s clear the people of Stoke deserve better than Ukip or Paul Nuttall.”

Ukip issued a statement that said that any claim Nuttall was not at Hillsborough was “totally false and highly defamatory”. The party added: “Paul was indeed at Hillsborough. He attended the match with his father and other family members. For political opponents to suggest otherwise and for leftwing media organisations to promote such claims constitutes a new low for the Labour party and its associates.”

The Lib Dems, who fell from second to fifth at the 2015 general election, believe cardiologist Zulfiqar Ali could make a breakthrough as the only candidate opposed to a hard Brexit in the aftermath of last Wednesday’s divisive parliamentary vote on article 50, pointing to unlikely victories in recent council byelections in Sunderland and Rotherham.

Local activists believe that if Labour wins, they can beat Ukip into third. Campaigners say canvass returns from areas predominantly populated by public sector workers show large numbers of Labour voters lending their support to Ali, a Pakistani immigrant who is banking on the support of the seat’s sizeable Kashmiri population.

Asked whether he was worried by the prospect of a late surge in Lib Dem support in the wake of Labour’s controversial vote in favour of article 50, the party’s candidate Gareth Snell said voters should “think about who you are going to get elected and use your vote wisely”. However, in a blow to lingering hopes of an informal progressive alliance between Labour, the Lib Dems and Greens, both Tim Farron and Caroline Lucas urged local people to back their own candidates and attacked Labour’s stance on Europe.

Labour activists say their support is holding up and Snell played down the significance of the European question. “Of all the things that keep me awake at night, the Liberal Democrats aren’t one of them. This is a race between me, the Tories and Ukip … I think a Paul Nuttall victory would be a disaster for the Potteries.”
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 12 Feb 17 14:45
More leftist fake news?
By:
Meadow X1
When: 12 Feb 17 16:03
What part is fake?
By:
TCat
When: 12 Feb 17 17:33
Wouldn't vote UKIP simply because of Nuttall (as would many other Northerners). Labour are currently a shambles. Wouldn't trust Farron or Lucas as far as I could throw them. The Tories have added over £1 trillion to national debt in 7 years in spite of butchering public services. Anyone else to vote for ?
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 12 Feb 17 17:36
The claim about Hillsborough.

The media trying to paint UKIP in a bad way as usual.

Make up something. Report it as rumour with no sources. Do it enough times and plan is some of it sticks. Trump also faces this kind of nonsense all the time.
By:
Shab
When: 12 Feb 17 20:23
Yep, and the mainstream media all kick off about 'fake news' all of the time.

Laughable.
By:
Meadow X1
When: 12 Feb 17 20:30
Well it can't be denied that Nuttall has a wee bit of history. So far I think he has "allegedly" claimed a doctorate from a Liverpool university, being a professional footballer with Tranmere Rovers, being at Hillsborough, registering an empty house in the Stoke constituency as his home address and wishing to privatise the NHS.
Now he is strutting about Stoke dressed as a country (had to watch my spelling there) gent dressed in tweeds. If some folks think he is a ****, you can see where they are coming from.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 12 Feb 17 21:54
Exactly Meadow. All straight from the MSM. Apart from an intern typing the wrong thing on linkedin what of that lot is actually true?

This nonsense about the NHS is laughable. Someone suggests private companies should be used in the buying of meds and suddenly people claim he wants A&E privatised.

This is why people distrust the media so much when they do this kind of thing.
By:
donny osmond
When: 12 Feb 17 22:33
media is more trustworthy than nuttall
By:
TCat
When: 13 Feb 17 11:34
InsiderTrader and Shab. My distrust of Nuttall has got nothing to do with the media and their reporting of the NHS or Hillsborough in particular. If they'd elected Jones as leader then they just might have got my vote.
By:
CJ70
When: 13 Feb 17 14:04

Feb 12, 2017 -- 10:33PM, donny osmond wrote:


media is more trustworthy than nuttall


That depends what position you currently hold. I suspect blatant mistruths go down well with those Labour voters who wouldn't dream of switching, but horribly with those who are.

The latter is where the UKIP vote is coming from.

Labour's new wheeze is to send Paul Mason up to Stoke to campaign on a ticket that all UKIP switchers are thieves. That'll go down well.

By:
treetop
When: 13 Feb 17 19:53
Mason should be sued for slander,any party that wants to associate themselves with Mason is bringing itself into disrepute.
By:
CJ70
When: 13 Feb 17 20:11

Feb 13, 2017 -- 7:53PM, treetop wrote:


Mason should be sued for slander,any party that wants to associate themselves with Mason is bringing itself into disrepute.


I'm not sure Labour under its current guise is anything different than Mason.

By:
Meadow X1
When: 13 Feb 17 20:48
Stephen Bush from the New Statesman says he has been reliably informed that over 6000 postal votes have been cast...

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2017/02/will-labour-lose-stoke
By:
CJ70
When: 13 Feb 17 20:53

Feb 13, 2017 -- 8:48PM, Meadow X1 wrote:


Stephen Bush from the New Statesman says he has been reliably informed that over 6000 postal votes have been cast...http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2017/02/will-labour-lose-stoke


That's absolutely massive.

If that is true Labour should hold this comfortably.

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