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Rumour control suggests that Nuttall may have submitted a false or incorrect address in his candidate nomination papers. If that's the case he will be bombed out.
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From the Guardian about ten minutes ago....
Paul Nuttall's Stoke byelection papers gave address he had not moved into Guidance for Westminster election candidates says they must give current home address on their nomination papers The Ukip leader, Paul Nuttall The Ukip leader’s papers gave his home address as an end-of-terrace house near the city centre. Photograph: Joe Giddens/PA Wednesday 1 February 2017 18.32 GMT Last modified on Wednesday 1 February 2017 18.39 GMT Nomination papers submitted by the Ukip leader contesting the Stoke Central byelection declared he was living in a house in the city that he had not yet moved into at the time they were filed. Paul Nuttall’s papers for 23 February byelection, nominations for which closed on Tuesday, gave his home address as an end-of-terrace house near the city centre. However, when Channel 4 News’s Michael Crick went to the house on Wednesday morning, it appeared empty. The Electoral Commission’s guidance for candidates says those standing in Westminster elections must give their current home address on their nomination papers; this cannot be just a business address. It is an offence under the Representation of the People Act 1983 to knowingly provide false information on a nomination paper, with potential penalties being a fine or up to 51 weeks in jail. |
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That won't be an issue. PPC's always buy houses and use them as homes during an election.
If it becomes an issue we could retrospectively remove quite a few sitting Lab MP's from the last election. |
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It's ok if the candidate is physically living there irrespective of who owns it. Nuttall was not.
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Remember this is the "strictly by the rules" party that disqualified a candidate's nomination for leadership as it was submitted fifteen minutes late.
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It's ok if the candidate is physically living there irrespective of who owns it. Nuttall was not.
The flat was rented for Nuttall before the close of nominations. It can take a day or two to move into a new property, he is moving in tonight. So the intention to reside there was always genuine. Inncent till proven guilty. |
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The candidate has to be living in the property he/she lists on the nomination paper as their home. At the time of nomination this property was empty. Nuttall has broken electoral rules.
Here is an interesting piece from Channel 4 which doesn't do any of the Stoke candidates favours... https://www.channel4.com/news/ukip-leader-challenged-on-stoke-address |
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Paul Nuttall’s papers for 23 February byelection, nominations for which closed on Tuesday, gave his home address as an end-of-terrace house near the city centre. However, when Channel 4 News’s Michael Crick went to the house on Wednesday morning, it appeared empty.
Desperate to invoke spite and malice into every opportunity to work against giving the elctorate a demcoratic choice. I am sure they will not have applied this forensic attention to detail on every Labour candidate's application papers. I recall David Miliband's election to South Shields and I am damn certain he didn't reside anywhwere near until after his victory. |
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Treetop wrote..
"I recall David Miliband's election to South Shields and I am damn certain he didn't reside anywhere near until after his victory." What's wrong with that please? |
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The candidate has to be living in the property he/she lists on the nomination paper as their home. At the time of nomination this property was empty. Nuttall has broken electoral rules.
You don't need to live in a new property for it to be your home. Transitional periods can not be determined through rigid rules Meadow. |
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You are wrong. Electoral rules are specific that you need to be living at the registered property as your home.
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My understanding is that following complaints, the Staffordshire police are now investigating. Nuttall has deliberately registered an unoccupied property in Stoke as the home he lives in order to deceive voters that he is resident in the constituency.
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Do have that ruling to hand Meadow.
I am sure any ruling would be to deter candidates giving a business address. The fine detail is in 'What constitutes "home address", very hard to have rigid rules about 'living in' a newly rented property. He is living there now and the property was rented before the nomination process. That was his new home address. |
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*Do you have that ruling to hand Meadow.
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My understanding is that following complaints, the Staffordshire police are now investigating. Nuttall has deliberately registered an unoccupied property in Stoke as the home he lives in order to deceive voters that he is resident in the constituency.
In your opinion Meadow. |
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If he had physically moved in before the nomination papers were completed there would be no problem. If he had given the address he was actually living in as his home (wherever that may be) there would also have been no problem.
However, he didn't. That is fact, not opinion. |
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For Zenmaster from the Electoral Commission
Home address form 2.14 On this form you must state your home address in full. If you do not want your address to be made public and to appear on the ballot paper, you must state the constituency in which your home address is situated or, if you live outside the UK, the country in which you live. |
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No, what is opinion is that you suggest he rented a property in Stoke to deceive voters.
Do you have the ruling to hand were it states a candidate must be physically living in a new property regardless of a transitional period or 'moving in period'? What rigid rules are there to say it is against policy? |
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He did put his home address down, he just hadn't moved in yet!
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Read my previous post from the Electoral Commission regarding home address.
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I think Labour and punters who have backed Labour are exceedingly desperate.
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banning a candidate for filing his papers 15 minutes late ...
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If UKIP deny the opportunity to a candidate to stand as party leader because his nomination papers were submitted fifteen minutes late, then they will have to accept that their every legal move in elections will be carefully scrutinised.
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Is the guy from Channel 4 news looking at the property the only witness?
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Well, there are pictures taken through the letterbox that shows the house empty. Besides, Nuttall (or anyone else for that matter) openly admit he had not physically even seen the property let alone moved in.
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But the contract was issued for him to move in?
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Yes. So what?
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And he physically living there now?
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He is now. So what?
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So what is the problem?
Contract signed before nominations Now living there before election result Nothing to see Meadow |
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Zen, you clearly don't understand Electoral Commission rules despite me providing a link to them. What you have said is completely irrelevant.
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What link have you provided to prove your point Meadow?
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Post at 11.09pm 1st feb from the Electoral Commission regulations.
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Typical kind of stuff this from an opportunist like Nutall , this man of the people rubbish that he comes out with and his tweed jackets all part the false image which sums the clown up.
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Probably never been to Stoke in his life.
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At least he is not in favour of us being in the EU that discriminates against non-EU citizens.
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This won't be an issue because it's a common situation used by PPC's to have a home in the constituency. If this is ruled out then I know of at least 3 Lab MP's who used their constituency home as a mailing address with no furniture as PPC's. It would cause havoc if we retrospectively take them to court for misleading the electorate.
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meadow,my point about Miliband was that none of the candidates (I knew some of them) even ventured to challenge his residency and supported his right to stand on his merits and views,albeit the Labour party script at the time. His later accomodation was no more than a thin veil of local identity supported by the odd,well publicised walks around town to provide photo shoots and the house was on the market reet fast after he left to work for charity in USA.I do believe the 'exposure' is more malice than democracy in action.
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You seem to be confused by the Electoral Commission rules. Miliband (and anyone else for that matter) is allowed to register on their nomination paper their home address irrespective of where it is, either within the constituency or outside.
Nuttall did not. He registered an empty property within the constituency as his home address in order to have that address on the ballot paper and hence gain a possible advantage. |