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By:
kevinglass
When: 21 Jan 17 15:20
The UKIP effort will be all be about Stoke now with Nuttall standing. I saw the poll re the NHS, but I'm not sure that would be true up there....

The Tories may well win, but the odds make Labour a bet.
By:
CJ70
When: 21 Jan 17 16:02

Jan 21, 2017 -- 3:20PM, kevinglass wrote:


The UKIP effort will be all be about Stoke now with Nuttall standing. I saw the poll re the NHS, but I'm not sure that would be true up there....The Tories may well win, but the odds make Labour a bet.


Fair enough. I'm not tempted by Labour at the current odds personally.

By:
Burt06
When: 25 Jan 17 16:56
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By:
Meadow X1
When: 25 Jan 17 21:55
From the Conservative home site...

Published: January 25, 2017
Trudy Harrison is selected as Conservative candidate for Copeland

Paul Goodman
By Paul Goodman


Last updated: January 25, 2017 at 9:28 pm
HARRISON Trudy
Harrison lives in Bootle, is 40, has four daughters – and CCHQ’s statement is somewhat unforthcoming about what she is doing at the moment, describing her as “a local champion with a track record of delivering for her community”. It says that “her commitment to her home area has seen more than £4 million invested there since 2010”, a claim that is sure to be probed closely.


As CCHQ confirms, Harrison was, not all that long ago, a “Copeland Borough Council locality officer for South Copeland”.  “Mrs Harrison,” the North-West Evening Mail has reported, “led the way on the Bootle Community Plan, which has seen funding secured for a BMX track in the village along with gaining the Lake District National Park Authority’s support for two housing developments”.  She has also worked at Sellafield.

Here’s a Q & A from the same source: “My favourite place in the world to eat is the Byre Tea Rooms in Bootle, nutritious and very delicious but if we are looking for something in the evening I would really be torn between Da Vinci’s or something a bit hot from Curry Spice.”  Her husband Keith is “a welder who works in the nuclear industry”. That will come in useful in Copeland.

Jack Brereton has been selected candidate for Stoke-On-Trent Central.  He became one of the party’s youngest councillors when elected at the age of 19 in 2011.
By:
Burt06
When: 25 Jan 17 22:44
you can see what's happening here without it actually been said.

the tories are going to all but ignore stoke and put a kid up so as to cut his teeth and leave UKIP a clear run. in return UKIP will all but ignore copeland concentrating on stoke.

without saying they will be asking tories in stoke to go UKIP and kippers in copeland to go tory.

i would expect this message to get out quickly on social media.

not sure if corbyn could survive if he lost both
By:
Meadow X1
When: 25 Jan 17 23:11
Yes, fair comment.  I feel sorry for the young fella in Stoke. He was one of the youngest councillors elected (at 19) and deserves more support than he's likely to get there. Best of luck to him and his day might be still to come.
  I couldn't at the time and still don't understand why there was significant betting support today for the UKIP candidate in Copeland. Nuttall will have their full resources aimed at Stoke.
  As the Tory candidate list and selection in Copeland was secret I'm not sure what options were available to them but I'm sure Mrs Harrison is going to be in for a very tough fight.
By:
SHADDER
When: 26 Jan 17 09:51
Ms Harrison may have the support of her " locals" , but Bootle is  a rural village with perhaps a population of 500, she may come across as a posh tory.
Gillian Troughton has a much bigger catchment of area of local support given where she is located in the engine room of the constituency.
By:
Meadow X1
When: 26 Jan 17 09:56
Shadder,

I must admit that was the first thing that went through my mind when I was reading her profile last night.
By:
kevinglass
When: 26 Jan 17 19:58
The Labour candidate is from & lives in the constituency, the Tory candidate has a link, but not to the same extent.

I think the majority of UKIP voters in Copeland were protesting ex Labour voters, whether they would go to the dark side and vote Tory is very debateable I think.

We'll see though!
By:
CJ70
When: 27 Jan 17 13:27

Jan 25, 2017 -- 11:11PM, Meadow X1 wrote:


Yes, fair comment.  I feel sorry for the young fella in Stoke. He was one of the youngest councillors elected (at 19) and deserves more support than he's likely to get there. Best of luck to him and his day might be still to come.  I couldn't at the time and still don't understand why there was significant betting support today for the UKIP candidate in Copeland. Nuttall will have their full resources aimed at Stoke.  As the Tory candidate list and selection in Copeland was secret I'm not sure what options were available to them but I'm sure Mrs Harrison is going to be in for a very tough fight.


This is a toughening up exercise, CCHQ put all their best candidates through it to make sure they aren't a liability when they take on a winnable seat.

Jacob Rees-Mogg was given some downtrodden area of Glasgow to stand in while his sister got Port Talbot!

If he does well here he'll be in line for a seat at one of the next few elections.

I've backed Lab now as the Con price is far too short even if Corbyn is intent on doing as much damage as he can by not backing nuclear jobs.

By:
anxious
When: 27 Jan 17 16:20
With the tories now putting a very young candidate up in Stoke this signals to everybody that they and Ukip are now basically the same thing as they always have been , Labour voters should take notice of this and not be deceived by this right- wing brotherhood which is the current flavour of the month.
By:
CJ70
When: 27 Jan 17 16:41

Jan 27, 2017 -- 4:20PM, anxious wrote:


With the tories now putting a very young candidate up in Stoke this signals to everybody that they and Ukip are now basically the same thing as they always have been , Labour voters should take notice of this and not be deceived by this right- wing brotherhood which is the current flavour of the month.


I would imagine most potential Lab voters thinking of switching in Stoke are considerably brighter than that.

By:
anxious
When: 27 Jan 17 17:57
They only need to realise that by voting for Nutall they sre voting for a man that wants to privatise the NHS  completely
By:
CJ70
When: 27 Jan 17 18:32

Jan 27, 2017 -- 5:57PM, anxious wrote:


They only need to realise that by voting for Nutall they sre voting for a man that wants to privatise the NHS

By:
CJ70
When: 27 Jan 17 18:32
Only people like you believe in that.
By:
anxious
When: 27 Jan 17 18:38
He has tried to backtrack on it but most people can see through his double-speak
By:
CJ70
When: 27 Jan 17 18:39

Jan 27, 2017 -- 6:38PM, anxious wrote:


He has tried to backtrack on it but most people can see through his double-speak


As I say only people like you believe that and you are never going to vote anyone but Labour.

So it's going to be a net loss when you try that line against wavering voters.

By:
Burt06
When: 27 Jan 17 18:41
it's all they have left. some speech from back in the day.

they cannot talk about brexit
they cannot talk about immigration.
they cannot talk about the economy.
they cannot talk about sovereignty and control.

and they don't want to talk about the chaos within the labour party.

their problem of course is that's what the electorate want to talk about.
as we have seen with brexit, trump, the rise of wilders and the potential of le pen ignoring the people aint a good idea.
By:
Burt06
When: 27 Jan 17 18:42
weaponising the NHS didn't work very well for red ed

they know that.  but they have absolutely nothing else they can talk about.


pitiful.
By:
anxious
When: 27 Jan 17 19:43
There is plenty to bring the Tory-Ukip  pact to book , the tories shameful record on privatization which has allowed the rip off energy companies to rob the British People for the last 30 years ,their abdication of responsibility on social care , as for Ukip do these clowns really believe that by saying we love our country that it makes everything live ever happily after
By:
ufcdan
When: 27 Jan 17 21:56
anxious I like to see those around me happy so I've decided to buy you a one way ticket to North Korea so you can live in total
By:
ufcdan
When: 27 Jan 17 21:58
Happiness Wink PS just remember all the animals are equal but some are more equal than others !
By:
anxious
When: 27 Jan 17 21:58
You might be needing to save up your BUPA tokens dan Plain
By:
ufcdan
When: 27 Jan 17 22:03
And that's the crux mate you practice the politics of envy Sad
By:
anxious
When: 27 Jan 17 22:10
No my friend the Politics of Reality
By:
ufcdan
When: 27 Jan 17 22:18
What reality ?
By:
anxious
When: 27 Jan 17 22:41
The Reality that people will be paying for their healthcare which will happen very soon  if the likes of the Tories or Nutall are in control.
By:
ufcdan
When: 28 Jan 17 13:18
anxious we already DO pay for the NHS it's called Natinal insurance. If as a nation we are or paying enough then it has to be raised, simple as. Now a lot of the problem is bed blocking by older patients as there is no after care being adequately provided by the local authorities who plead poverty. Funny though if you looked at most local councils they have reserve funds for a rainy day, well that day has come "It's p1ssing down" Sad
By:
ufcdan
When: 28 Jan 17 13:19
Not *
By:
Meadow X1
When: 28 Jan 17 14:15

Jan 27, 2017 -- 4:41PM, CJ70 wrote:


Jan 27, 2017 --  4:20PM, anxious wrote:With the tories now putting a very young candidate up in Stoke this signals to everybody that they and Ukip are now basically the same thing as they always have been , Labour voters should take notice of this and not be deceived by this right- wing brotherhood which is the current flavour of the month.I would imagine most potential Lab voters thinking of switching in Stoke are considerably brighter than that.


Not Glasgow but just as tough going.

At the 1997 general election, Rees-Mogg was the Tory candidate for the solidly Labour seat of Central Fife and attracted ridicule after canvassing a largely working class neighbourhood with his nanny;[8] on election night he came third, gaining 9% of the votes cast,[11] slightly fewer than half of the votes won by the previous Conservative candidate in 1992. However, rumours that he had toured the constituency in a Bentley were described as "scurrilous" − he insisted it had been a Mercedes.

By:
Meadow X1
When: 28 Jan 17 14:54

Jan 27, 2017 -- 1:27PM, CJ70 wrote:


Jan 25, 2017 -- 11:11PM, Meadow X1 wrote:Yes, fair comment.  I feel sorry for the young fella in Stoke. He was one of the youngest councillors elected (at 19) and deserves more support than he's likely to get there. Best of luck to him and his day might be still to come.  I couldn't at the time and still don't understand why there was significant betting support today for the UKIP candidate in Copeland. Nuttall will have their full resources aimed at Stoke.  As the Tory candidate list and selection in Copeland was secret I'm not sure what options were available to them but I'm sure Mrs Harrison is going to be in for a very tough fight.This is a toughening up exercise, CCHQ put all their best candidates through it to make sure they aren't a liability when they take on a winnable seat.Jacob Rees-Mogg was given some downtrodden area of Glasgow to stand in while his sister got Port Talbot! If he does well here he'll be in line for a seat at one of the next few elections. I've backed Lab now as the Con price is far too short even if Corbyn is intent on doing as much damage as he can by not backing nuclear jobs.


At the 1997 general election, Rees-Mogg was the Tory candidate for the solidly Labour seat of Central Fife and attracted ridicule after canvassing a largely working class neighbourhood with his nanny;[8] on election night he came third, gaining 9% of the votes cast,[11] slightly fewer than half of the votes won by the previous Conservative candidate in 1992. However, rumours that he had toured the constituency in a Bentley were described as "scurrilous" − he insisted it had been a Mercedes.

By:
anxious
When: 28 Jan 17 18:21
Dan I don't think you seem to understand , your tory government has reduced the amount it gives to local councils because they refused to raise council tax , the problems in Social care are directly the fault of One Nation Theresa and her cohorts
By:
ufcdan
When: 28 Jan 17 18:31
anxious up and down the country local councils have money stashed away. My first point was that WE should pay more if need be
By:
CJ70
When: 31 Jan 17 13:22

Jan 28, 2017 -- 6:21PM, anxious wrote:


Dan I don't think you seem to understand , your tory government has reduced the amount it gives to local councils because they refused to raise council tax , the problems in Social care are directly the fault of One Nation Theresa and her cohorts


Yeah, a Labour council would refuse to raise council tax!

A Labour voter that doesn't realise that the whole ethos behind the party is tax and spend Laugh

By:
Meadow X1
When: 06 Feb 17 14:18
Ukip Copeland By-Election Candidate Fiona Mills Claims ‘Hitler Was A Socialist’


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ukip-candidate-fiona-mills-claims-hitler-socialist_uk_58983f9de4b0505b1f58f7ae
By:
CJ70
When: 06 Feb 17 14:53

Feb 6, 2017 -- 2:18PM, Meadow X1 wrote:


Ukip Copeland By-Election Candidate Fiona Mills Claims ‘Hitler Was A Socialist’http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ukip-candidate-fiona-mills-claims-hitler-socialist_uk_58983f9de4b0505b1f58f7ae


Hard to disagree with that I'd have thought?

By:
donny osmond
When: 06 Feb 17 17:06
disagree with mills or huff post ?
By:
CJ70
When: 06 Feb 17 17:21

Feb 6, 2017 -- 5:06PM, donny osmond wrote:


disagree with mills or huff post ?


That Hitler was a socialist.

By:
donny osmond
When: 06 Feb 17 17:35
you think he was ?
By:
epicurean
When: 06 Feb 17 17:42
To clarify Hitler was a nazi  agreed ?

    In the second world war the acronym  nazi was used to describe the political party Hitler led 'National Socialist Party' .
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