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^ Almost as much pie in the sky as your last 3 years of calamitous Eurovision predictions.
As the negotiations to leave become protracted, in such a climate of uncertainty, consumers will reduce their spending and companies will defer their investment decisions. Unemployment will soar. Depressed domestic demand and the possibility of dragged out trade deal negotiations combine to create a perfect economic storm. Does this sound like a safe haven currency to you? In fact Sterling weakness is one of the silver linings on the cloud as it will help compensate for the decline in export compeditiveness due to wage price inflation that results from the reduction in the supply of low cost labour. The risk of Eurozone breakup is real, (and there is much to dislike about a Free Trade idea that has become a runaway gravy train) but the UK was already partially insulated from that by having not adopted the Euro. The City has propped up the UK Economy for decades and there is a real chance of significant job losses or relocation. London’s financial sector could experience a “brain drain”, as European nationals return home. Any demise in the importance of the City would have a huge negative effect on the economy. Where exactly do you see the growth coming for to replace this potential loss of revenue? Additionally, no global multinational will consider locating there EU HQ in the UK anymore. Many will relocate their existing European HQ. A return to the Dark Ages indeed. |
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so now, let's see.............
in order to "prove" your argument about this sleeping giant of a nation who are about to forge a lone path in a world of co-operation, it is those who question Britain's reasons for leaving the EU who are variously fools, arsenal fans (you have good company with this vulgarity: clippety clop), living in "diddly" nations (whatever they are), capable of being bullied and bribed, motivated by jealousy and all-round heathens as I presume we couldn't possibly reflect the conservative values of the Christian right although, strangely, the post makes no mention of these shibboleths for a change. Your prediction that this country will surge to the fore of world hegemony: they will make better cars than Germany, better wine than France, better weapons and helicopters than the US, better agricultural produce than...name your choice, better meat than Ireland, better tech products than Japan and China, better television than California or better footballers than Africa. It's legions of the indolent, fattened on State's teat, are about to produce a surge of energy and creativity unseen since the days they were pressganged into the navy. Or perhaps it will be based on ruling the seas again or land-based military domination? The current version of it's own silicon valley is to be found down Essex way. |
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The one certainty is we don't know for sure what will happen.
That was true whether Britain remained or left. We do have one line of form that was when Britain refused to join the Euro. Ozymandius contribution has none of the usual vulgar similes,has no swearing which suggests its been mainly plagiarised,the last line about the return of the dark ages is probably his. Royal Academy considers himself virtuous yet his piece is dripping with prejudice,his hate is a fashionable hate. In his list of things that are better he lists " better footballers from Africa " athletes yes but tis statement is absurd and shows his self loathing inverted racism side. He then goes on to say " legions of the indolent " this is his reference to the British working class,he wouldn't dare say it about anybody else but its fashionable to belittle these people,sure you even have a special tag for them chavs. I also think its untrue,I don't think they are work shy I just think they are not prepared to work for nothing. One of the most important things in life is a job,one of the functions of the state is to provide work for its people. I don't care how they do it but its better for a man to be footing turf in some Offaly bog and earning that having money wired into his bank account. |
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Feel free to google my post and then tell me where I plaigirised it from. When I copy and post, I attribute, it's called Integrity.
It was a reply to KL, possibly that's whey u didn't recognise it. It's probably about 3 years since I bothered making a proper effort to respond to your posts. Turf and fishing rights, that's about all you can get your head around. You are economically illiterate. |
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Ozy , re your lemmings , heres a little story for you , once upon a time in a pleasent part of the Uk lived a group of red squirrels , they lived happily together, living a good life .One day after a challenge from within to the leadership a disgruntled Squirrel having lost the fight for leadership decided to get even with the winners . He went aboard and invited the Grey Squirrel to come back to the Uk with him , the Grey squirrel bred very quicky and lo and behold after a very short period of time they outnumbered the local Red Squirrels who found that they had to retreat further and futher into the forest .In record time the LOCAL Red squirrel had run out of threes ...A hint Tony Blair and his government did something similar ..
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Think it was the "lemmings" post Wildman was refering to myself.
That was posted on the horse racing forum 10 hours earlier(huge shock thread) also the dark ages guff is an argued point on it also. Maybe just a coincidence. |
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It was a post on a forum if you wanted to keep it private you should have done so.
The bit I didnt recognise was the lack of swearing,no vulgar similes most unlike your ordinary style. The one bit of hyperbole we knew for certain was yours was Britain is returning to the dark ages. As for your inability to engage in discussions that's long been proved. All your discussions are the same. A position is taken without any thought,a slogan is thrown in,the slogan is repeated and then followed by a picture. The discussion is moving all over the place but Ozymandius can't follow,his alarming inability to think on his feet is almost Rocketfingers like,this leads to frustration. The end is nearly always the same a descent into personal,childish vulgarity and finally just plain name calling. |
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He is getting very bitter and grumpy.
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My first line is referring to his " it was a reply to KL "
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The lemmings joke has been doing the rounds on Social Media...have seen it at from at least 5 separate sources....who ever first wrote it has been lost in the wind. A bit like Pa's cringeworthy unoriginal joke abut sh*gging the sheep, which probably first appeared in a Xmas cracker.
I see zero substantative replies from the economic illiterati on here to either RA's or my post. Just a name calling post accusing us of, precisely that, name calling. I trust the irony is lost on no one. |
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My reply was I don't believe it will bring the Dark ages to Britain, I don't believe unemployment will soar,I actually think Britain will prosper.
You made your post but are unable to elaborate because of your inability to think on your feet so its easier for you to say I can't reply to economic illiterati,what you really mean is I can't reply. It will be interesting to return in a few months time to see how things have panned out,I accept its uncertain. One thingis certain Britain will not be in the dark ages. |
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I have given explicit reasons why I believe unemployment will soar...why do you believe it will not?
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Europe now has its hightest unemployment EVER Ozy, with Merkel happy to keep bringing in people who DON'T work thats not going to change anytime soon...
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Maybe as a takeaway owner that hurts you ,if so I apoligise...
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The reasons you gave were the same ones given about Britain entering the Euro,they were wrong then and wrong now.
When you use language like " a return to the dark ages " and " Britain won't have an arse in their trousers " and " unemployment soaring " you know the writer is emotional not rational. Another Greek bailout is imminent,The Euro could crash so just remaining had its risks too. Britain has traditional ties with Canada,the US,Australia,South Africa and New Zealand,they can now conduct their own trade deals with these countries. This will increase trade. As the EU export far more to Britain than it imports any hiatus in that trade wil be short lived. I accept the City of London is a huge contributor to Britains finances but all the arguments about an exodus of banks to Frankfurt were made over the Euro,it didnt happen then and I don't see it happening now. George Osborne has re emerged singing a different tune,no need now for this preliminary budget,none of the doomsday talk he was actually rather upbeat. |
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I never adocated entering the Euro...I was firmly against as were 90% of Economists. It made no sense
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That's not at issue although its not true to say 90% of economists were against it either.
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How about responding directly to these points;
As the negotiations to leave become protracted, in such a climate of uncertainty, consumers will reduce their spending and companies will defer their investment decisions. Unemployment will soar. Depressed domestic demand and the possibility of dragged out trade deal negotiations combine to create a perfect economic storm. You are pinning your hopes on new trade deals being negotiated swiftly and advantageously. Even if this happens, and I don't believe it will....exactly why will they be more advantageous to the existing EU deals? And these mythical trade deals are going to trump the very real fears in the last paragraph, plus the fears about the City , the mass exodus of MultiNationals who need a European HQ. I don't think so. What exactly are you thinking of putting in these miraculous trade deals that will compensate for these massive negatives? |
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90% of respected independent Economists were, that's a certainty. You had to be loop the loop to think that replacing Sterling with the Euro was a good idea for Britain.
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Sterling has stood the test , so even outside the single exchange they more than held their own ,of course there are going to be worries now they have broken out and are going their own way .Huge concerns eminating from Germany and France over their LOSS of trade with Britain . Its now a two way street .
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All agreed there would be short term problems ( the ubiquitous bumpy road ) I think they will be temporary.
However that uncertainty which does scare the markets could just as easily arrive if Britain had remained. I think the EU has failed,I think the Euro will collapse,the migrant crisis will worsen,Britain out has preempted this and will be way ahead of the other European countries with heir deals. |
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that's an awful lot of ifs..and maybes....that need to happen for exit to make sense.
At least we both now agree about the short term pain for the economy, I see it as at least a medium term problem, probably longer. And if the Euro currency collapses, and I too think there is a decent chance it will, no independent trade deals will protect the UK form the fallout and added uncertainty and market chaos. In fact, by the time it happens (if it happens) the UK could be so weakened and brittle so as to be on the brink of collapse....their main trading partners in dissaray would almost certainly be the final nail in the coffin. |
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Ozy, stop this crying wolf , have a look at this and come back and tell us you were wrong ,oh and btw get your little puppet to have a look as well.Thank me later...
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The EU have lost one of their big payers,they are also a huge market.
The EU has a lot of countries that are skint,the EU is in decline. If Britain had the guts they would lift the sanctions on Russia,funnel their money through London,that would create a fair few jobs. |
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I voted to remain and even if I voted to leave I would not be wishing for the break up of the EU.
Putin would just love that, and simply put he is a very dangerous man! I am very sad that we left the EU, also that the masses voted on a immigration issue, many thinking that people would actually be kicked out. I am also very sad to see the spike in hate race crimes especially against the Polish people (as my wife is Polish and is very distressed by this). I am not sure what to do with my family, my young daughter was born here and I am very confused, in some sort of Brexit Coma. I normally am very optimistic and believe in getting on with things, I am struggling at the moment. |
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There is no spike in hate crimes,just a few bad losers highlighting everyday unpleasant incidences.
Why are you struggling,no one bar some serious criminals will be chucked out. What do you think will change ? Your country got its independence back you should be cheering. Oddly enough we have plenty of Poles working in the towns near me,I find them delightful. Hard working with a sunny disposition and dare I say it avid massgoers. |
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Hello Wildmanfromborneo
I don't agree that Independence has been taken back, English self-assertion has trumped UK preservation. We will see the consequences and how they will play out over the next decade or so. It may well be English independence that is celebrated in 10 years time. What happened at the Polish Cultural and Social Center in West London was not an everyday unpleasant incident - they had never experienced it before and it shouldnt be taken lightly. |
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What happened at the Polish Cultural and Social Center in West London was not an everyday unpleasant incident - they had never experienced it before and it shouldnt be taken lightly.
So a one off incident as wildman ha said. |
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Racingqueen, there hasn't been only one incident over the last few days, but I am sure you know that.
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It was only a bit of graffiti and look at the response.
Britain has long had strong ties with Poland,Polish pilots still remembered and Poles are no danger to Britain. They genuinely came to work,they don't arrive and just hate the country they have come to. Polish immigration has never been a problem. |
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It would be interesting to revisit this thread in a years time[ it may take a lot longer then a year] to see how Brexit is performing, its not great at the min and a lot Old timers across the pond are wishing that had another vote, [ no chance] .. There is a lot of fear in the banking world , Wildmans headlineing thread will be of intrest to many on the forum and will be well worth revisiting ,
Wildman posted at 18.21 on the 27th.....All agreed there would be short term problems ( the ubiquitous bumpy road ) I think they will be temporary. lets hope there right . |
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paranoia and poor picked upon me syndrome has set in,im seeing it all over social media and its very contagious.i saw one tw&t (whos hungarian) posting on social media that someone in a gym asked him a simple question...was he polish? to which he replied no.the conversation ended there but then he took to social media to complain that he'd been subjected to some sort of racist incident
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Polish people play hard, work hard when abroad ,remind you of any other race...
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"If Britain had the guts they would lift the sanctions on Russia,funnel their money through London,that would create a fair few jobs."
One of the more cretinous posts on here by one of the Dole Office Dictators, I could spend a while on this but I haven't the time that those unable to find or carry out employment have indulging their fascistic fantasies. Sanctions were imposed on Russia because it annexed territory from a sovereign state, and for waging a proxy war on the same state, and something to do with a jet liner. This is the liberty that the weak minded want from a strongman. Its hardly worth mentioning that all the dirty money in the world including Russian is churned through the City of London. When I came to this country first it was 1973 there were people shieting in the fields for the want of any sort of a toilet, but at least they could wipe their asres, I am not sure that some posters on here have the wit to do that. |
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Ya and Donald Tusk fired the missile that shot down the Airliner, men in tinfoil hats have proved this.
Seems like the Brits are doing the best to ignore the referendum themselves and remember dock leafs and not nettles when ye are obliged to shiet in the fields again. God, there used to a betting forum on here once and a pretty good one at that, now it is just cranks that would be banned from a moderated forum that are bored agreeing with each other on Stormfront. |
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Differing views are allowed on here.
Rock Piper sounds very cranky,people he doesn't agree with are " cretinous " He also has contempt for people who don't work. He seems to credit himself with civilising the Irish and his vulgar similes show more contempt for ordinary people. Another member of the intolerant left. |
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Interested to see how Brexit looks from your perspective. UK credit rating downgraded, GDP surpassed by France, all achieved in the first week following the vote. There will be a recession - in a just world, the damage would be confined to the Vote-leave f**k-wits who caused it but the most I can hope for is that England pays, rather than the wider world.
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in the long term it will prove a wise choice for the UK and all the fools who cant see past the end of the week will be thankful to those they are currently refering to as f**kwits,racists,bigots,xenophobes etc etc...
maybe unitedbiscuits is just a bit bitter because hes saw the value in his shares in his employer (w.hills) drop even further since the vote. |
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^ no surprise to see all the Oiks on here rowing in with the Out cause.
KL should know better but he has this anti-establishment chip on his shoulder which clouds his judgement on such matters. |
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30,000 lobbyists in Brussells ,you one of them mate ?...I see the rent a crowd out in force last night, the mask has fallen , they can NEVER again get people to believe they are the PEOPLES party . More Conservitive than the Conservitives themselves now...
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