you always seem to hanker for a Britain that is long gone Wildman; the days of Leyland and coal mining and pints of bitter and a more innocent pastime of watching football on the terraces and the craic in Kilburn and Cricklewood. These are long gone and the march of self-imposed multi-culturalism has changed that way of life inexorably - that genie is never going back in the bottle.

This referendum was more about immigration and fear than money - the money arguments from "Leave" were spurious and ignored. Most sane articles point out numerous unknowns and very few are fiscally beneficial to the UK. The "United" in the UK is now a thing of the past and dreaming of things past that might be again is simply foolish. This will probably cause a knock-on effect within Europe and it's hordes of ultra-right elements waiting for their own "independence" moment and a very narrowly-defined (former) "quality of life".

Inspirational leaders are needed I was about to say but I'm not so sure after the failure of the Obama fantasy. Today we get Farage, Johnson and Trump.

Eloquent and spot on.

Ozy
I have tried to explain before, the Libtards cannot force hundreds of thousands of extra people onto the services, social, health, policing and housing then just expect the masses to lie down and take it up the ar$e.

What a statement from you ,how dare are you! Millions of well educated people have had enough ,Champange Socialists drove them to dispar ,hung them out to dry for eons .The same people the Liberals championed came to dispise them ,now the facists of the left turn their backs on the people .Sure whats new anyway , the left wing users have been found out at last . It was the LEFT WINGERS who put them on the dole in the first place..Spin doctors required ,the people saw through them in the end . About time the left wing facists were found out ,turncoats of the highest order ,turning on their own kind .The left will NEVER recover from this GREAT lie .

Ok Workrider i am going to try to be nice to you here mate, You simply have no idea what you're talking about my friend hence i stopped reading your post after a 2 lines and that is a pretty nice way to put it. Anyway do you live in the country my friend? No you don't, do you work in the country? Do you pay your taxes here? Did you have a vote? Do you have a mortgage here? No you didn't to all those, so all you know is what is feed to you via the media most of it probably Murdoch's, i can draw my own conclusions as to what is going on from living amonst the people here, my office was the scenes of despair yesterday, how class A uneducated fools from Middlesborugh or the S Wales valleys and the like voted us, the hard working well placed people who make the biggest contribution to society, out is far beyond comprehension.

Now all we are hearing is that these low achievers in life did not know what they voted for and even better did not know that their vote would count. The only good thing is that these people who let me add were net gainers from the EU, are shown to be so simple of mind they actually don't realise they will be hardest hit from going out and it serves them right. So i'll dare to say all i want my friend as a person who contributes to the society i live in.

Rocket ,You are lost in a maze ,one minute you are crying Racist because someone gets put out of some nightclub or other ,then the very people you pretend to support, you kick them in the teeth because they had the teremity to have a different opinion than you .I worked in the UK for 7 years , longer than you've been there , so yes I do know what its like, I pay several visits every year , I got to know more about the people than you mate , you like most of the left are stuck in cloud coo koo land , stuck in some dingy backwater are we Rocket? .Time you took your head out of the sand and came into the real world ,going on as if you were the UKs trade minister ffs and you only a wet day in UK .

Sorry i really don't want to fall out with you my friend but i really don't think you have an iota what you're talking about workrider so you need to calm down and listen to someone who contirbutes to society over here and has a vested interest in what goes on. You are making me laugh, so i do apologise for laughing at you i have not heard something like what is below since school.

"I got to know more about the people than you mate"  I have more friends than you hahaha,ok if you think you have more friends than i have then who am i to say otherwise so i'll let you have that one my friend :).

Now listen workrider i'm happy to debate the referendum but on the condition you try and read and most importanly think about it, Ok. Enjoy your annual holiday/long weekend in the UK, i am meant to be heading to Windsor today, so i need to run.

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/generation-emigration/i-m-in-shock-i-feel-lost-irish-in-britain-respond-to-brexit-1.2698214?utm_source=morning_digest&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news_digest

No sense of balance from The Irish Times this morning. I am in the UK 2 to 3 times every month, for 3/4 days at a time, sometimes a week, working, mostly in or around London, sometimes in the midlands. I know many other Irish doing the same and those that live there full time. This article only takes one side. I would say 50/50 in views from all I know in the UK, the Irish that is - so, broadly in line, more or less, with the final vote.

Total liberal clap trap. This is really just propaganda masquerading as journalism. Trying to paint the UK as if it was Germany in the 1930s. The Irish Times has reached a new low. I would expect this of the Indo. Glad I don't buy papers anymore.

Any parent reading this who knew no better would think their children are now in fear of being deported/imprisoned or harassed.

Liam Fox has apparently changed his mind and said he wants article 50 invoked straight away, Boris is still in no haste though. Pull the trigger FFS and let the fun begin.

This is what the UK saved itself from on Thurs....The audits have been kept secret from most MEPs, allowing the abuses to continue unchecked Photo: EPA
Bruno Waterfield By Bruno Waterfield, Brussels6:00AM BST 20 Oct 2011
A series of reports by the parliament’s internal auditor found that significant breaches of the rules were common among the 7,000 unelected officials who work for the EU’s assembly.
Staff are allowed to authorise their own expenses and pay allowances to family members, despite the auditor warning of the risk of “conflicts of interest”.
The reports, covering three years, identify instances of officials being given double payments or allowances to which they are not entitled.
Officials are failing to secure the best value for money for taxpayers when awarding contracts, while extensive funds are being given to the assembly’s political parties without any proper audit of how it is being spent, according to the reports.
Despite these findings, the audits have been kept secret from most MEPs, allowing the abuses to continue unchecked.
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Only 14 senior MEPs, who make a committee known as the “bureau”, which administers the assembly, have seen the reports. They have been required to sign a confidentiality clause barring them from disclosing the problems.
The three most recent completed reports, covering 2007, 2008 and 2009, have now been released to this newspaper following the threat of legal action and the intervention of senior MEPs who believed they should be made public.
Klaus Welle, the parliament’s secretary-general, tried to block the release by arguing that public exposure of the audits would “disrupt decision-making”.
But Diana Wallis, a Liberal Democrat member of the bureau, said openness would help MEPs to improve the working of the parliament.
“We had had plenty of time to look at the internal audit report and implement recommendations, and therefore I believe that we had to ensure that these documents were released,” she said.
According to senior officials, the auditor, a British accountant named Robert Galvin, has repeatedly written to Mr Welle and the bureau expressing his concerns. His reports disclose that “critical actions” needed to fix the problems have either been ignored or implemented too slowly.
Mr Galvin found persistent problems with how “personal entitlements” and perks, which were worth £81 million in 2006, were paid to civil servants. In 2008 the auditor identified “several areas of considerable risk”.
According to the auditor, administrative staff have been paying expenses to themselves or relations with other officials getting double payment or getting allowances they were not entitled to.
“Personnel [need to] raise awareness of its file managers of the risks of conflicts of interest and to instruct them never to handle their own or their relative’s personal file,” he warned.
The reports found “critical” irregularities and conflicts of interest concerning procurement contracts worth more than £600 million a year.
Even in the department of the parliament’s president, the auditor found “significant” and “materialised” problems with procurement and contracts.
At the time with which the reports were concerned, there were persistent rumours of nepotism in the department. The auditor noted that officials should in future "avoid inappropriate treatment of selection and exclusion criteria
In the parliament’s finance department, which has a budget of £298 million, the auditor found a “lack of assurance that the best value for money is obtained” and “ineffective” controls over contracts. The latest audit, from July this year, noted that the department had not replied to the auditor’s concerns.
“Systemic” problems were identified in the information and logistics department, which has a budget of £158 million.
Audits also found that political parties were given funds even though they had refused to abide by the rules.
The cash is paid without proof of “eligibility of costs” or any proper audit checks that the money is spent properly. In 2006, three EU political parties, which can receive subsidies of more than £5 million a year, refused to “disclose fully their sources of funding” in breach of the rules.
Martin Callanan, the leader of the Tories in the parliament, said: “It is appalling that these activities were kept secret for so long. Instead of addressing the problem, the authorities tried to stifle publication. The Telegraph is to be congratulated for its persistence in bringing this information to light,” he said.
Marta Andreasen, the former whistle-blowing chief accountant at the European Commission and a member of the parliament’s budgetary control committee, said: “The parliament’s bureaucracy operates with a total lack of transparency, which is how it gets away with these irregularities.”
David Lidington, the minister for Europe said: “Clearly, reports such as these are worrying and further emphasise the need for increased transparency across all EU institutional budgets.”
A European Parliament spokesman said: “The very aim of these reports is to improve the parliament’s management by identifying risks and weaknesses. The auditor makes recommendations to the management, which are then carried out and followed up again by the auditor, as the internal auditor points out himself.”
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but the sheer scale of their selfishness and entitlement has been truly shocking.

From the good folk of Gibraltar through Peter Mandelson’s and the Kinnock’s EU pension rights to our friends worried about cheap phone tariffs, a substantial number of these people seem to have no other reason for supporting the EU other than financial incentivisation.

The list is a long one too, for the tentacles of the EU reach long and far.

The BBC, virtually the entire arts industry, the mainstream media, the bulk of the political class, charities, universities, bankers, global capitalists… follow the money and there’s a very good chance all roads will inevitably lead to Brussels.

Despite the incessant narratives of the Liberal-Left, this referendum was actually never about old v young. General Elections have never been about old v young, yet it is well known that older voters favour Conservative, while younger voters favour Labour. So why the ageism? And why now?

The answer to that question gets to the heart of the neo-liberal agenda favoured by elitists such as the Guardian and BBC. For this is the agenda of a globalist elite who have decided that, as self-declared progressives, they know what is the best way forward for the little people like you and me.

And now that their globalist agenda has been rejected they are smarting.

Expect in the coming weeks therefore plenty more recalcitrant Leave voters to be door-stepped by cunning BBC and Channel 4 journalists. Expect these highly selective and edited ‘interviews’ to be models of regret and shame as these ‘old’ and very contrite voters reveal their disgusting working class ignorance.

Expect plenty of sneering from the effete Liberal elite telly gang lead by the likes of Evan Davis, Matt Frei and the utterly repugnant Jon Snow. Expect the old v young ‘narrative’ thus to be propagated without cessation and, most worryingly, without any consideration for the effects upon the immature minds of those upon whom this invective is intended to inflame.

If, God forbid, this narrative does push one of these brainwashed, hate-driven millennials into an act of violence against one of the BBC’s reviled ‘old, white, racists,’ then I hope and pray these Left-wing hyenas will finally stop with their hateful narratives. Somehow I doubt it.

In the world outside the media and political elitist bubble, accepting defeat gracefully allows individuals to retain their dignity, to walk away with their heads held high.
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What a quaint thought, the mind-set no doubt from a bygone era, the choice of behaviour of those horrible 'old' people. The past. Who needs it?
but the sheer scale of their selfishness and entitlement has been truly shocking.

From the good folk of Gibraltar through Peter Mandelson’s and the Kinnock’s EU pension rights to our friends worried about cheap phone tariffs, a substantial number of these people seem to have no other reason for supporting the EU other than financial incentivisation.

The list is a long one too, for the tentacles of the EU reach long and far.

The BBC, virtually the entire arts industry, the mainstream media, the bulk of the political class, charities, universities, bankers, global capitalists… follow the money and there’s a very good chance all roads will inevitably lead to Brussels.

Despite the incessant narratives of the Liberal-Left, this referendum was actually never about old v young. General Elections have never been about old v young, yet it is well known that older voters favour Conservative, while younger voters favour Labour. So why the ageism? And why now?

The answer to that question gets to the heart of the neo-liberal agenda favoured by elitists such as the Guardian and BBC. For this is the agenda of a globalist elite who have decided that, as self-declared progressives, they know what is the best way forward for the little people like you and me.

And now that their globalist agenda has been rejected they are smarting.

Expect in the coming weeks therefore plenty more recalcitrant Leave voters to be door-stepped by cunning BBC and Channel 4 journalists. Expect these highly selective and edited ‘interviews’ to be models of regret and shame as these ‘old’ and very contrite voters reveal their disgusting working class ignorance.

Expect plenty of sneering from the effete Liberal elite telly gang lead by the likes of Evan Davis, Matt Frei and the utterly repugnant Jon Snow. Expect the old v young ‘narrative’ thus to be propagated without cessation and, most worryingly, without any consideration for the effects upon the immature minds of those upon whom this invective is intended to inflame.

If, God forbid, this narrative does push one of these brainwashed, hate-driven millennials into an act of violence against one of the BBC’s reviled ‘old, white, racists,’ then I hope and pray these Left-wing hyenas will finally stop with their hateful narratives. Somehow I doubt it.

In the world outside the media and political elitist bubble, accepting defeat gracefully allows individuals to retain their dignity, to walk away with their heads held high.
​
What a quaint thought, the mind-set no doubt from a bygone era, the choice of behaviour of those horrible 'old' people. The past. Who needs it?
but the sheer scale of their selfishness and entitlement has been truly shocking.

From the good folk of Gibraltar through Peter Mandelson’s and the Kinnock’s EU pension rights to our friends worried about cheap phone tariffs, a substantial number of these people seem to have no other reason for supporting the EU other than financial incentivisation.

The list is a long one too, for the tentacles of the EU reach long and far.

The BBC, virtually the entire arts industry, the mainstream media, the bulk of the political class, charities, universities, bankers, global capitalists… follow the money and there’s a very good chance all roads will inevitably lead to Brussels.

Despite the incessant narratives of the Liberal-Left, this referendum was actually never about old v young. General Elections have never been about old v young, yet it is well known that older voters favour Conservative, while younger voters favour Labour. So why the ageism? And why now?

The answer to that question gets to the heart of the neo-liberal agenda favoured by elitists such as the Guardian and BBC. For this is the agenda of a globalist elite who have decided that, as self-declared progressives, they know what is the best way forward for the little people like you and me.

And now that their globalist agenda has been rejected they are smarting.

Expect in the coming weeks therefore plenty more recalcitrant Leave voters to be door-stepped by cunning BBC and Channel 4 journalists. Expect these highly selective and edited ‘interviews’ to be models of regret and shame as these ‘old’ and very contrite voters reveal their disgusting working class ignorance.

Expect plenty of sneering from the effete Liberal elite telly gang lead by the likes of Evan Davis, Matt Frei and the utterly repugnant Jon Snow. Expect the old v young ‘narrative’ thus to be propagated without cessation and, most worryingly, without any consideration for the effects upon the immature minds of those upon whom this invective is intended to inflame.

If, God forbid, this narrative does push one of these brainwashed, hate-driven millennials into an act of violence against one of the BBC’s reviled ‘old, white, racists,’ then I hope and pray these Left-wing hyenas will finally stop with their hateful narratives. Somehow I doubt it.

In the world outside the media and political elitist bubble, accepting defeat gracefully allows individuals to retain their dignity, to walk away with their heads held high.
​
What a quaint thought, the mind-set no doubt from a bygone era, the choice of behaviour of those horrible 'old' people. The past. Who needs it?

Just shows your friends REAL side , scum of the highest order ,all the pretence slipping away now eh ?

Likes of yourself D'ozy brought about the vote the way it went.

You screamed and ranted in agreeing with Merkel to leave every chancer enter the EU, no one wanted that foisted on them.
There you go.

^ where do you begin trying to correct that last post

I think myself that was the breaking point WR,it was a demand by Merkel at the time,most European countries feel the same and if a referendum was held tomorrow in most it would now go the same way.
I think i was pro european most of the time but one voice never makes a "community".
Agree with The Gotchee to an extent,i.m not sure they have too much to worry about,maybe their financial part may have to move but for the ordinary person slightly dearer foreign holidays,cost of living and the cutting off of the cheap supply of plonk and snout.
I do think though people have voted a bit blindly and a lot would change their vote even on some of the minor points above.

I don't now how you can lay this at the door of Syrian Refugees, unless of course you are not very bright.


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Majority of lemmings in favour of jumping off cliff

A new poll has revealed that over 50% of the lemming population favour jumping off the cliff to an almost certain messy and agonising death.

“The poll results are fascinating,” said lemming pollster Simon Williams.

“Lemmings have a happy, comfortable, enjoyable life on top of the cliff and yet many of them believe that a suicidal jump onto the jagged rocks below would give them a better quality of life.”

A senior lemming figure from the ‘Vote Jump’ campaign group explained.

“Some lemmings say that a huge drop onto jagged rocks would be fatal, but the fact is that no lemming really knows what would happen if we all jumped onto a bunch of jagged rocks; we could bounce, the rocks could disappear, or we could strike up a robust trading deal with the rocks.

“All of these are all very real possibilities.

“To say that we would all be broken and killed by the rocks is just blatant scaremongering by a centralised elite group who seemingly have no confidence in the resilient nature of us lemmings.”

A ‘Vote Jump’ supporter agreed.

“Yeah, we’d be better off jumping for definite,” he said.

“I mean, yeah, being on top of the cliff and not dying and everything is great, but there are so many voles and guinea pigs coming in now that it just doesn’t feel like a lemming cliff anymore, you know?”

In other news, a recently conducted poll has revealed that Turkeys intend to vote for Christmas.

Brilliant Ozy, Baldrick showing off too that he can now copy and paste

Is it true, Rock, that they are dusting down the Leyland factories and unsealing the Mines?  That should compensate for the potential loss of jobs in the City and the loss of Multinationals who chose to have their EU HQs in the UK.

Aye by gum, lads, we have our country back

What nonsense you sprout. 

I suggest you re-read the thread.....and fact check your erroneous recollections....its extraordinary that a thread about genuine people in genuine need should incense you to the extent that it has.

Falling for the picture?  A massive displacement of Syrian people has taken place, a catastrophe not a scale not seen about WW2, and you harp on about people falling for a picture.  As if the refugee crisis dd not exist.  Talk abut being in denial. 

I am a Conservative FYI, I also happen to be compassionate and my compassion extends beyond my family, my people, my county, beyond people of my own skin colour and creed.

Very few Syrian Refugees have been resettled in UK fwiw.

Twice the uncouth vulgarian has parrotted the line " Britain is about to enter the dark ages "
That's it for this foul mouthed gent,no attempt to back up this ludicrous statement,no comprehension of the irony of the statement but not to worry a picture will soon be posted.

Its unsettling that the shallow slogan shouter has no idea of what happened,no idea of the reasons.
He first blamed people of low IQs,he then shifted to the old ( presumably the one she wanted to euthanise )

Another Greek bailout is imminent,the EU is going for more expansion,an EU army is next in line.
The EU is crumbling and will implode shortly.

Britain will prosper governing itself again,it will have the jump on all the other European countries when they too must govern themselves.

"Britain about to enter the dark ages".

don't make a fool of yourself.

here is what is going to happen.

1- there will be no re-vote, Britain accepts the will of the people in referendums. Re-votes are for diddy nations like Ireland that can be bullied/bribed by the unelected Eurocrats such as Sutherland and his peers.

2- it will take a few years, but inside a decade the UK will have the strongest economy in Europe and the EU will be exceedingly jealous of it(at this point, in ten years, expect another few countries to have jumped off the EU train).

3- in ten years will the Euro still be in circulation? if they ever get around to examining the books in the likes of Italy, the arse hole would fall out of the currency and the Greek situation will seem like small fry...........meanwhile in ten years, Sterling will be regarded as the safe haven currency in the world.

4- Scottish Independence? much that I would have  liked the idea in 2014, I think the SNP reached a high water mark too soon in the general election in 2015, and despite all the talk about wanting to stay in the EU...inside about 3 years, it might actually prove more beneficial to the Scots to remain within the GB, than move to independence and hitch to a shaky EU..........in fact listening to the wily old Sammon the other night,I detected that the last thing he wanted was another quick Scot Indep Referendum........if a second one was lost inside a 5/6 year cycle, the game would be up for 30 or more years on the idea.........in fact as a party goes, the SNP are far better served existing as a party seeking independence, if they did achieve their goal, the party probably vanishes in no time.........
hence Sturgeon will be doing loads of barking but no biting and ultimately Scotland will not depart as mothership UK is a safer bet than mothership EU.

5- The vast majority of british people will see little or no material difference to their lives in the next 5 years due to the exit from EU....it will not effect the poor one jot........the only losers will be a small section of hitherto comfortable middle/upper class groups, some of whom may now lose because their  grants will end or others may have the inconvenience of uprooting and moving elsewhere.

6- the result of this referendum proved conclusively once and for all, if you did not know already, that the so called brains trust/brokers within money markets and banking institutions(the majority of whom punted heavily on Stay), well these geezers are simply market guessers pure and simple, they are the ones squealing the most, because they backed a loser.

7- finally Brexit and the upcoming aftermath of the divorce will be a great test to see the elements of active and reactive in the departure settlement, as it will pitch GB v EU.........on this match up, I would want my shirt on GB all day long.