Fair play Ab

nothing u say tbf

Action will be the hare. Con River will be prominent, and behind; Hawk Mountain principally to shadow Ombudsman throughout. A tactical replay by AOB / Coolmore similar to the Sussex Stakes eg Dorset (the hare), and Puerto Rico (Bow Echo's shadow).

I can’t help thinking that the Godolphin colt isn’t unbeatable, but this is his track, Sandown isn’t.

So been looking at the form of Items last race which I haven’t yet seen (missed it on the day.)

Two things standout just looking at the result.

Royal Champion is a consistent horse, Delacroix was beaten 3 1/4 by Ombudsman here last year, the distance that Item put on him is impressive.

1m 2f                   4/5 btn 5½L Item 9-2

Sha G1  1m2f            2¾L Romantic Warrior 9-0   

Jan G1  1m2½f    4¾L Facteur Cheval 9-0   

Bhr G2 1m2f            ¾L Galen 9-2    15/8F   

Leo  1m2f              3/8 btn 3L Delacroix 9-3


Then when you look at Dancing Gemini from the same race it becomes interesting again.

York 1m2f    5/5 btn 13½L Item 9-2    16/1   

Asc C1G1 567K    1m2f    GF    9-2 p    5/8 btn 11½L Ombudsman 9-2

Indeed. Ombudsman is a very good horse but not unbeatable. Ombudsman is not Almanzor. May the best horse win - without trickery. This is the best result for horseracing.

instead of woffing on about ratings and stats ffs just give a selleckshun.

Problem is Everone is hyping this race up and it’s happened a few times this flat season that some other good horse will come along and beat them both …just don’t know which one

Dano

And Howard agree that was what I was getting at with River running like the French colt.

Ombudsman has that burst like Kaplana then it’s fumes after the initial kick.

Royal Champion had a penalty last time as did Item, just watched the race, he won well enough having looked done for toe.
He’ll like the fast pace if it’s on.

“Item was cut to 14/1 from 16s for the Juddmonte International back at York”

Missed that price after York.

It is his M/O and clearly cannot help himself

theres a few a tasty prices and this will be hyped to the max as a 2 horser tommorow by the press and by ollie and  co .

wont be backing any of the top 2 they may fight out the finish as expected by most but  not for me those prices .good luck all tommoz.

Ombudsman will be the 1ST since  Halling to Win this race back to back,
who funnily enough was originally trained by Johnny G.
Rain stays away, think he'll be too good for these tomorrow.

Enjoy York and The Ivy 'ronnie rails'. Good luck with punting!

Impossible
Thank you for your very kind words a bit different this year sad to say no dad took him one day at the dante one day ebor he loved lunch in the ivy before races i will still here him this week saying i was there when the brigadere got beat the queen turned up

Dela,
Watching Ombudsmans two wins in the Prince Of Wales and his win in this race last year. I think its a stretch to say his accelerates and then runs on fumes.

So which one is it Delashay? You stated CR has a similar run style to Calandagan "If he can keep tabs when Ombudsman goes then he might be worn down" Which horse might be worn down, just to avoid confusion? In addition you agreed with Mick that Ombudsman has superior acceleration  which muddies the water somewhat but not unusual for you?

As far as the race itself any one of the top 4 in the betting could win but Almaqam only if the going eased considerably, Item has to step up on form to date and not impossible he could. That said Constitution River is as entitled to progress similarly and already has the superior form and given the ratings should beat him.

The big question for me is has Ombudsman got any more improvement at the age of 5 or will he have enough in hand to beat CR anyway? They should almost dead heat if they ran to their rating at the weights, if that is the case then the potential progression is more likely to come from CR and imo that would give him the edge. Likely to be tuned to the minute and hard not to ignore his jockeys comment post Sandown given he rarely eulogises like that unlike the trainer.

I hate to abandon Ombudsman in favour of AOB but when it comes to punting, no room for affection. There you go Delashay!!

will also  be backing ombudsman in a match with cons river .

Not sure about that foyles. I would be going the other way. Clearly shouldn't be much in it. Wouldn't be ploughing in.

Not for me, Dela.
I think he kicks and stays kicking.

I agree with Howard that the prices are about right in this making limited betting appeal. Though Constitution River is getting too short.

The only angle I see is if the French horse is a decent price on here in the place market. I think they will ride him cold to pick up some pieces.

A cracking race to look forward to.

slickster 18 Aug 26 18:55 
Tough call. I will go Constitution river but not with too much confidence. You won't get a selection out of the 2 freaks on here ( frico and bubbles). Only they know why they won't.

strange isnt it? ive won millions (certifiable) whilst dickster/dellawoffler/tobyliararymug have won combined absolutley fck hall...ewe cud not mek it up.