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You can understand he might want to show loyalty to the reigning Champions connections. However in the end the prep runs must have given connections an idea their horse is in all likelihood falling behind the best now and their jockey might be on a stable runner that may be seen to have a better chance.
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it is up to the stable at the end of the day and we are just commenting from a punters perspective of course.
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So long as a horse is declared for 2 races at the 5 day stage, nothing is set in stone so both Lossiemouth and Golden Ace could go for either race. Just taken £1 at 40/1 NRNB Golden Ace for the CH just in case.
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Anyone know what caused Lossiemouth to shorten for Mares. Preview night with someone from yard ?
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Just realised it was Sun preview with Rich R last night. I went last year and he told us to all back Gaelic Warrior at 8/1 for Arkle
 Must have said leaning towards Mares. |
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/33708268/rich-ricci-lossiemouth-mares-hurdle-cheltenham/
Where was all of this earlier? Nothing about her disappointing. Mullins has kept stating it was the Champion Hurdle. Why the disconnect? Ridiculous not to go just because Townend won't be riding. Insulting to other jocks. |
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he said words to the effect of no shame in running in mares and open to going there. we,ll probably debating mares or stayers forlossimouth next yr
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After Kempton all the talk was how she had run well given the circumstances, and how she might close the gap on Constitution Hill at Cheltenham. No sense that the game was up. Yes, she fell last time, but no reason to wave a white flag. I have no financial interest in her, but just want to see the best race possible. She missed last year's Champion Hurdle - when I think she would have won - and to miss it again would be absolute joke.
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Fkin hilarious the stable jockey decides what goes where… that’s me out antepost please could the last person out close the door.
Ricci said: “She disappointed at Christmas and she had a horrible fall at Leopardstown in a race where we really didn’t learn anything. “We had a chat with Willie on Tuesday night, she's been left in both races and I think we’ll wait and make a call at the weekend. "Paul chose to ride State Man at Leopardstown and I’d like to see who he is going to ride in the Champion. “I know it will be difficult for him to get off State Man, he won the Champion last year, but who he chooses to ride is a factor. “I’m not embarrassed to say we’ve campaigned her as a Champion Hurdle horse and it hasn’t worked out. “UItimately, it will be Willie’s decision and we’ll have some input and make it over the weekend. “She has got one more piece of work to do so we’ll see how she goes. Remember, she is only six, she is still a young horse." |
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i do have the race covered this time though she was my best position. it is the future though this has been secrecy all the way and yes they have every riight it is there horse blah blah but we have every right to not bet on stable runners which probably means not betting on the race in future if they have a Mares candidate.
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on either race
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it is now official though, the stable jockey decides take note in future
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It happened when Ruby Walsh was stable jockey, with Ricci horses (may be misremembering, but possibly Annie Power?)
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Perhaps if he changes 'I am not embarrassed about campaigning her as a Champion Hurdle horse' to 'I am not embarrassed about misleading all and sundry and changing tack at the last minute' it would be more appropriate.
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I think that ship sailed with Vautor.
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he could probably stop giving it large about his horses and just say ask Paul
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But there's nothing new here - these connections have been doing this for years. AP punters (should) know that.
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it’s new to say i dont know which race x will go to as we dont know what the stable jockey will want to ride during the week before.
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But there's nothing new here - these connections have been doing this for years. AP punters (should) know that.
Exactly that, it makes me laugh reading that Trainers arent playing the game and entering their horses in the races you want. Antepost betting has any amount of pitfalls untill the tape rises on the day of the race. |
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There's nothing funny about ante-post punters losing money, unless in some warped way you find other people's misfortune funny. No surprise on here, particularly as so many are unable to put up anything pre-race.
Of course there are pitfalls to all forms of betting, but this is an extreme example. The horse missed last year's Champion Hurdle - creating something of a stink at the time - so she could target this year's race. Then five minutes before the owner infers that plan might change, despite the trainer saying something different. Driving punters away from the sport is not a good idea. |
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I don't disagree DD. But Ricci's primary obligation is to his horses and their connections, not AP punters.
We bet AP because we get bigger prices - that comes with all sorts of risks, including what we are seeing here. What's the solution? Limit horses to one Festival race entry? |
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There's nothing funny about ante-post punters losing money, unless in some warped way you find other people's misfortune funny. No surprise on here, particularly as so many are unable to put up anything pre-race.
I was talking about Antepost betting in general ( not one particular horse ), I have put plenty of horses up on here pre race, I also enter the Daily Naps Comps, .... Yourself. ?? |
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"I cannot believe it!!!" Are people really complaining when their ante-post selection does not run in their selected race but runs in another at the same meeting???? And the meeting is ............The Cheltenham Festival! ........... and the horse was (a) always going to run in the selected race or (b) there was doubt as to which race and ............ This sort of thing has happened before/ never happened before. Get real. The whole concept of antepost punting was to attract the greedy.
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... Well said Jimmy, you wont hear me moaning about the Pipe horse in the Bumper withdrawing " After a setback "
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It's clearly Ricci not Mullins who's having a change of heart, whatever way he wants to phrase it. Townend is the best jump jockey riding so naturally he'd like him on his horse, Willie is never too concerned in that respect. So while Townend would naturally rather Lossiemouth ran in the Mares seeing as he's decided to ride State Man in the Champion, it's nonsense to think he will persuade Willie to run Lossiemouth in Nares purely do he can ride both. If it turns out that Lossiemouth runs in the Mares it'll be Ricci persuading the trainer, not Townend.
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As I posted at beginning of thread.
Lossiemouth going Mares it seems Odds on for Mares now. How nuts is that…20/1 two days ago. Another flip coming  |
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To add to the fun, looks like Gaelic Warrior is out of the Champion Chase (at least out of the Bf market...)
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Agree with strontium aside from the need for a solution simply because i don't see any problem.
I'd say the likes of Aiden and Willie are exempt from criticism due to the unprecedented depth of quality they have at their disposal and the need to find the right races at the right time to benefit horse , connections and stable objectives. I'd say close on 100% of punters playing Cheltenham races before the NRNB arrived know exactly what ante post is all about and have lived with the ups and downs for years so i don't reckon driving punters away from the sport enters the debate. Good luck next week all  |
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Anti post betting is almost pointless now on the Cheltenham festival,no financial interest in either race but like all those who wanted to see all 4 running in the champion hurdle I’m very disappointed and to be honest it leaves a very bad taste quite simply those who have backed Lossiemouth for the champion hurdle have been put away ,I know most of use should realise the pitfalls of anti post betting but this is poor,I backed the pipe horse for the bumper I have no problem with that the horse has had a setback that’s racing.
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AP betting...caveat emptor...end of story
160 rated mare not going for an open championship race...for the sport its  |
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cheltenham were told to make the mares a 0-145/0-150 hcap or a grade 2 with punitive penalties for grade 1 wins...they refused & here we are again
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I read it differently jimnast in that plans can change especially in the supreme yards with generally at least two contenders for the same position in the team.
Before NRNB backing a horse like Lossiemouth for a specific race ( even if it's supposedly targeted ) has to be assessed as a double like any ante post should be , namely making post time and winning the race , if a punter backs a horse at say 5/1 thinking it'll be 3/1 on the day they might regard that as a risk worth taking , if you asked them would they take 1/2 that the horse runs they'd probably say no thanks when effectively it's exactly the same analysis. The modern day ante post evaluation is so different from the yesteryear era when top trainers had far less choice to target races as they invariably only had one horse as a contender but Willie , Aidan and Charlie have changed all that , different mindset required these days in my view. Still no news from onlooker , hope he's well |
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Yes, they need to do something like that. Is there precedent for running a G1/G2 race (non-handicap) with a ratings ceiling (e.g. 150?)
I've been a big supporter of the Mares Hurdle over the years - the aim of producing more high-quality NH mares is a good one. But obviously any mare that would be competitive in the Champion Hurdle is high-quality, and they should be going there. |
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the mares like the X country has basically been a jog round and sprint up the straight,they could run it on the Friday and tempt connections to run in both
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Hayden
Generally speaking I agree I’ve had many ups and downs over the years and except the rules which are known beforehand,however this case is different it’s been the two year plan even the other day it was the champion hurdle ,national hunt racing should be very glad the O’Leary brothers seemed to have changed there mind about pulling out of the game. As I said earlier I not had a bet in either |
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booby Walsh been on media all week saying BDA is his best of meeting.best hurdler he,s seen this season,basically telling Ricci he,s wasting his time
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End of the day the owner pays the bills & can run where he wants her to.
Shame if she doesn't go though,premier 2M race of the season. |
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Same here jimnast and almost certainly won't be either , i'm primarily a double digits in low grade races backer and have ignored betting in any festival since 2010.
Last festival bet for me was an unavoidable bad e/way double in the Black Caviar & Frankel races at Ascot. That said always look forward to Cheltenham / Aintree and Punchestown so won't miss a minute of the coverage |
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Baring in mind no decision has yet been made however that hasn’t stopped people guessing and backing her into evens for the mares and happily laying 14/1 plus for the champion .
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I’ll have bets at Cheltenham Hayden no danger about that but I should think I’ll have more at wollybags,Southwell and Newcastle next week.
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