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Disappointed in Ricci you really can’t take seriously anything he tells you now re his horses targets as he doesn’t decide where they go.
No antepost bets going on early for next year it is too much of a guessing game now even the best stable horse may drop to a lesser race if it suits jockey rides. |
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This stable is likely to have reigning Champions quite often. So if you have any sense you wont take any stable horse you think better as the jockey is likely to stay loyal to the champ even if his chance is worse. Yeah you can’t really work with that as a punter long range.
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Nobody has to play AP, eric. It's not like people aren't forewarned when Mullins is involved. Playing in races where his decisions are material, then giving out that he doesn't make calls earlier than he has to, when he never does when it's pivotal, is a bit loopy in my opinion. That's not a stab at jim btw, I greatly respect his opinion. The Mullins approach is not great for the sport, or other stakeholders, but it is for him. It's no coincidence he dominates the sport, and forces rule changes to account for his domination. He would win every race at Cheltenham if he could, and use any tactic available to achieve it.
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There has to be a some duty to the sport and it’s followers though from any leading exponent to promote it. Sports can decline if people abandon them which in turn affects everyone involved.
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You understand creating uncertainty can affect markets on here like it can the stock market? It’s up to each individual to decide if they think people with inside information are taking advantage of this. even without inside info it plays into skilled traders hands.
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It's obvious he doesn't care. Or at least, whomever is calling the shots doesn't care. Ruby has the same ruthlessness, and probably has a fair amount of influence.
My point is that it's pretty obvious he doesn't care. There are many examples, such as pulling his horses out of all races at Sandown when it was clear he couldn't win the British title when he was closest previously. That was deeply cynical and demonstrated no care for the wider repute for the sport (or the punters). At least in my opinion. So why would anyone expect (or wish) for a volte face in this scenario. |
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And where the owners are in the decision making hierarchy.
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Probably queuing up to get their horse in the stable
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Exactly. How many people have taken on O'Leary, and came out on top.
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The jarring thing for me, as I alluded to upthread is the contrast to the public persona. Which can't be levelled at OLeary
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very hard to believe they dont know by now what race there going for
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Cider 22:00 lmao
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i believe small fortunes have been made trading her for both races on here
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what race do you think she go in eric i think mares as paul will ride stateman
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seems the jockey decides which is best for both races so obvious answer probs
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basically what richie said at the sun preview to matt chapman he was waiting to know which one paul rides
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Mullins doesn't care a damn about antepost punters and he is absolutely right. All of us punters can wait until the final declarations are made before we have a bet, as most punters do.
Betting antepost comes with extra risk.Caveaat emptor. Sometimes we guess right, sometimes wrong but we all need to grow a pair and stop crying and throwing the toys out when things go south. There is a clear set of rules for trainers - they can, and will, change their minds about running plans as often as they want, right up to the 48 hour declaration stage, and only after that are they are obliged to run if declared. This applies to all races all year round but some punters seem to think that trainers rights should not matter because its Cheltenham. |
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that is such an obvious post i mean i dont care what he thinks about antepost tbh. i guess you dont think leading figures in a sport have responsibilities to the sport.
racing is based on gambling more than any other sport and as such the betting can bring the sport into disrepute. it is why clarity at the biggest meetings of the year of a leading runner is important it’s not as though the weather is going to change drastically everyone else has given their runners for the tuesday by now. |
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People whinge about info but would use it aswell if they could.
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if it sets a trend and less people have the confidence to bet it could affect the sport. is that what racing wants. i repeat he will come and go as we all do it’s where you leave things that matters to the sport which hopefully will still be around after we have all gone.
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lets hope they make the mares a handicap next year and stop this nonsense
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Racing price tickets, the crowd often being an array of pikeys, intrusive bookie checks and bookies not taking bets are the factors truly affecting racing. You back ante post at your own peril knowing Mullins has a habit of doing these things !
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Eric he does have a responsibility to the sport but you seem to believe he also has a responsibility to antepost punters which is rubbish.
And everyone else has not gven ther runners, loads are still undecided |
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also attendances at the track. the champion hurdle looks like having 3 runners plus a pacemaker.
the gold cup less than 10 runners. the champion chase 6 or 7 runners. you think people are going to put up with not knowing runners a couple of days before they go in such small fields when it is costing them a fortune to attend and time off work. you think it is ok they are made to take day of races prices or come on here to mix it with those with inside information in the two weeks before the race or those creating price instability to cut a profit? i think you are naive at best if you think that is a good thing. |
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this is irrelevant to antepost. it is about lack of information so close to the race.
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i reckon they are trying to be clever but in actual fact it makes them look idiots
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maybe they could introduce 2 entry max at 5 day stage with a second preference with change of going to suit or something along those lines
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evens last matched now lossie mares on here
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you think it is ok they are made to take day of races prices or come on here to mix it with those with inside information in the two weeks before the race or those creating price instability to cut a profit?
Not even sure how to go about deciphering that. But looks like your own attempt to cut a proft hasn't gone as planned and someone else needs to take the blame |
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i dont have any singles on the race so you are wrong there, i am covered on multiples. i have been watching naive punters getting fleeced though and it may not matter to you i guess that is the normal person speaking however i reckon it will have a negative effect in numerous ways as mentioned above.
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firsttimevisor you seem to want to make it personal to me. not sure why defending punters is an issue to you? i dont care what anyone thinks about me on here i do try to be fair though.
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5000 views !!!! I hope the horse wins after this lot. very heavy fall last time out puts me off.
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Nothing to suggest she’s going Champion this morning. Slightly odds on for Mares. Surely they must make announcement before decs ?
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We will know in the next two hours.
I doubt they will say anything. |
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Yep. I’m hoping she goes Mares financially but Champion for greatest Champion Hurdle arguably ever.
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Steady on hibore 1977
Night nurse Sea pigeon Monksfield Birds nest Dramatist Beacon light |
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Apart from that one obviously
 You could argue ratings were inflated a bit in those days. Not sure Night Nurse could have given Cons Hill weight and beat him on Supreme win. But it’s a bit like Joe Davis vrs Steve Davis vrs Ronnie. Will be best Champion I’ve ever seen live though. |
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Hopefully hibore
Time will tell ,I didn’t see the 77 race only saw night nurse as a chaser,my favourite is 2005 I’m hoping its number one in that think the racing post are doing about the festivals best races. |