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Punters detail their frustration with intrusive checks
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Spot on Frog!
It's impossible (imo) to believe that they can spot and closed down/restrict a winner in a heartbeat from 200 yds blindfolded, yet they don't have in place any markets for potential/actual addicts and "problem gamblers". Sure, they are putting their entire customer base through these measures, because they are completely unable to identify the problematic losers!  |
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^ markets* = markers
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Government gets £3.1bn a year in gaming and betting duties. When a punter loses the government gets a 15% slice of the pie in gross profit tax from the bookie.
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That's not the same Frog. All business pay tax (they should anyway). This is a tax for the harm they do.
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What other businesses pay gambling gross profits tax?
Rememeber they pay all the same other taxes like corporation tax on profits. |
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In 2022-23 we estimate that betting and gaming duties will raise £3.3 billion. That represents 0.4 per cent of all receipts and is equivalent to £120 per household and 0.1 per cent of national income.
https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/tax-by-tax-spend-by-spend/betting-gaming-duties/#:~:text=In%202022%2D23%20we%20estimate,per%20cent%20of%20national%20income. |
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What other businesses pay gambling gross profits tax? -- I not sure what you mean sorry Frog.
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If tabacco tax helps the government give help care to smokers why can gaming and betting tax help the government help care for gambing addicts?
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Some countries believe that individuals should not be allowed to profit from gambling. Greece, for instance, has adopted a tax system for poker that makes it utterly impossible to win at any other than tiny stakes. eg you win €100 and pay 10% tax, next day you lose €100, so you are a break even player and a loser due to tax. No one can beat the house rake and the government rake.
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Ever city trader is a gambling addict
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dave135725 Jan 23 14:17Joined: 05 Sep 10 | Topic/replies: 19,432 | Blogger: dave1357's blog
Ever city trader is a gambling addict Does gambling with other peoples money count as gambling? Especially if you get bailed out when you lose big? |
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If tabacco tax helps the government give help care to smokers why can gaming and betting tax help the government help care for gambing addicts? --- This is a little cryptic but I think the answer is if there was a tax on betting it would.
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Affordility is nothing to with gambling addiction. I got the gambling bug betting small amounts in the bookies from the age of 13.
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th bookies have to contribute to the care of addicts, somebody will know how much I just know they have to.
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£3.3 billion of betting duty must surely be enough, even at NHS levels of waste.
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There is a tax on betting.
If you lose £10000 to a bookie in year then the government collects £1500 of it. |
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Tbf I think you are right frog. I don't think these checks will make much difference at all. That's my point, why fight something that will have little or no effect on anyone at least compared to the other alternatives.
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There is a tax on betting.
If you lose £10000 to a bookie in year then the government collects £1500 of it. -- But that's just how the goverment tax the bookmakers (in spreads its only 3%). It ensures a revenue and has little or nothing to do with gambling deterrence. Put VAT on gambling and see the difference it makes. |
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Christ..
TH a genuines question; do you bet? Because Im aware there are people on here who dont, I just wondered if you were one? |
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Here we go, more deflection from Dusty. If all arguments fail look for another angle!!!!
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How the phook is it deflection to ask if you do bet given your implied desire to hamstring the thing with all the loser's problems?
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The problem with all of these threads/discussions is that it only takes about 10 minutes before the topic of discussion (gambling/gaming) is deflected via the introduction of tobacco, guns, alcohol, tax, etc.
The people introducing these deflections/comparisons always introduce them as though these things are not regulated! - Yet these things are all really heavily regulated, especially in comparison to gambling (which has effectively been unregulated for the past 20 years). Gaming doesn't even have any regulation at all but is dealt with under gambling legislation. Reluctantly using the guns comparison, to me, that seems like regulating air-guns but not bothering with automatic machine guns, on the basis that they are both the same! |
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My implied desire is to have the minimum problems for sensible punters. I would think most on here will manage their way around the proposed restrictions (even if it is a nuisance) and will prefer it to some form of consumption taxation. It's the real world not philosophical nonsense about personal freedoms. If you have any better ideas post them rather than bury your head in the sand about the problems that gambling causes.
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Whereas those who do all the sounding off dont acknowledge the lack of definition by those wanting gambling as a whole restricted (while giving mealy mouthed apologist statements that are hollow AF)
The reference to the activities like drinking or infact more pertinent those of other risk liability events like investing etc, is that the imposition now directed at gambling isnt in anyway reflected on those other activities, irrespective of tax. People still do more harm to themselves and those around them and affect productivity collectively far more than the detriment from gambling. |
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But dusty - do you accept that all the comparisons that the bookmaker apologists use - are actual infact things that are really very heavily regulated?
People saying sh1te like .....- "but I can drink as much as I want without some namby-pamby big-brother, authoritarian, draconian, communist state, interfering with my civil liberties and human rights! Thats absolute bo11ocks - alcohol has regulations coming out of its ears ffs. |
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No.
Just look at your daft statement. You are suggesting alcohol is massively regulated, and STILL its are far bigger impact on social life and threat to life itself than anything else. The reference people make about drinking and the purchase of drink is in direct comparison to the proposal of restricting gambling that will stop a person gamble. Nobody stops a person buy alcohol. As I said, its about proportion. One is stopped after requesting personal info, the other collects tax as though that justifies the dead. |
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Cool - so you agree alcohol and the way it is regulated is a ridiculous comparison and a completely seperete, unrelated topic. Ace.
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Im amased how apparently gambling addiction is about people projecting loss of loved ones onto the act, and yet nobody drinks when they lost love ones, err rum.
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And what about all these apparent addicts who will nolonger have that release of gambling....will even more turn to drink?
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Oh, I though we agreed the comparison with alcohol was ridiculous - but now you want to discuss the regulation of alcohol?
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At least the argument (I think) you are making is reasonable - i.e. The alcohol industry preys on people and current legislation doesn't do anything much to prevent it. Does two very poorly reulated industries make a right iyo?
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I never said that, you really are losing it.All around the regular houses because you cant admit the simplicity of self regulation is the answer....before we all have ever more contrived rules and restrictions imposed because somebody somewhere keeps wetting the bed.
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Self regulation (for the past 20 years) is what got us where we are today ffs!
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dusty….you would be better talking to a tree you’ll be there for months….
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Once he gets you by the ankles….
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Bayern Munich to score 4+ and win!
 The king of deep thinking and original thought makes an appearance! |
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tbf formoftheface, if they stopped you gambling it would be a mercy killing.
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