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Punters detail their frustration with intrusive checks
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Harsh….
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Bye….
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Im still amased how drinking has never been the activity people in depression turn to....had we all known it was actually getting rinsed on unwinnable slots that brought relief then perhaps they would focus on that instead of dragging all gambling down as per intent.
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You can call it regulation or responsibility Im ok with either.
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I'm glad we agreed alcohol was a completely ridiculous comparison!
 Do you know anybody (depressed or not) that did in £500k in a year on drinking? |
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Lets just say £50k in a year.
You live with that person or are related to them - would you spot the symptoms and be able help them if they had spunked it on roulette? Same question for alcohol? |
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Everyone has a choice, its not societies job to mollycoddle those that cant control themselves. Woke brigade getting more and more powerful it appears..
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I never said alcohol was a poor comparison, its just total whimsy from you.
If somebody lost 500K a year on gambling the first thing Id do would be to shake them by the hand for having achieved such an amount....and to remind them that here in this land of free enterprize you can make it again, not like those ex soviet blocks.... |
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Yeah - that's the online casinos/slots would like you to argue for them on their behalf.
It should be your own choice if you want to get profiled and then proactively targeted by them. |
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Everything you do in every aspect of life is profiled and your data sold.
I could not give a rats arse because its part of life that can never be changed now the genie is out the bottle. |
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If somebody lost 500K a year on gambling the first thing Id do would be to shake them by the hand for having achieved such an amount
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Society wrapped in cotton wool ffs…..big boy big girl I want mammy ffs….
Help me…..help yourself and grow a pair….ffs… |
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pretty much yet, if people are too weak willed to refuse targeted promotions and ads then its their problem, not everyone elses who can be responsible. If anyone is to blame for people betting money they cannot afford, the blame lies with the banks and financial companies that allow the money to be deposited without checks..
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...ofc what I would say is that if the state are in control of that info then we really got problems....
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Or maybe, just maybe, a tiny portion of the blame lies with.... on-line casino/slot factories that are required under the existing act to carry out those checks - but haven't bothered??
Is that a possibility? That maybe the people that have been ignoring/breaking the law for the past 20 years are partly responsible for the current mess? |
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Where existing rules have been broken then perhaps the GC could find a way of unholding those claims
Not conjure up a crackpot scheme that affects far and above anyone it was intended to protect. |
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Banks get fined after the event continually, yet they are allowed to continue trading without absurd restriction on their client assesment.
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We can agree on that at least - the GC and their 20 years of inaction have made a massive contribution to the current situation.
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dustybin25 Jan 23 15:36Joined: 29 Dec 08 | Topic/replies: 23,749 | Blogger: dustybin's blog
Banks get fined after the event continually, yet they are allowed to continue trading without absurd restriction on their client assesment. They don't just pay the fine and carry on - if they have broken the law! |
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One thing we agree on...but then Ive long said the GC have had an outlook of willfull ignorance when it came to upholding fairness in the game
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Doesnt alter the fact your claims to panseying after fools mourning the loss of somebody is justified.
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Right - so you agree that (in the absence of ant proper regulation and application of the existing law) the industry has effectively been self-regulating for the past 20 years.
In which case - I ask again, who is to blame for the current situation? |
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The reality is there has been mass exploitation in the gambling industry (all industries really) through the use of data in the last 20 years.
This data is used to push products and services onto people. In gambling it has been used to extract more from potential losing punters and stop potential winning ones. Instead of the GC and ICO and DCMS investigating the exploitation of data on consumers people are suggesting giving the bookmakers even more data to exploit. They already monitor hundreds for data points for every punter to work out how to extract more funds from punters. The regulators want us to give them more when they dont appear to understand what data these companies already have and the algorithms they have in place. Why would they trust bookmakers to use this extra information in good faith given the track record of the last 20 years? |
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Twenty years of Self Regulation or lack of applying the regulation is exactly what got us to where we are today - a total mess - i.e. self regulation is the cause of the problem - but you still think (based on a political ideology) that self regualtion is the solution!
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Im saying that if the rules that already exist have been broken then deal with that infraction, no need to create ever more dickensian restriction on people who dont need assistance but are actually getting stopped as a result.
The screaming liberals chanting 'think of the children' while p1ssing out everyone else's freedoms. TM you are a tedious fart |
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If you please - the proper term (as demanded by the propaganda for which you have fallen hook, line and sinker) is that I am an interfering, intrusive, pinko, socialist, communist fart!
Wanting the people that created the problem to solve the problem dictates that it must be thus. |
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or just accept that in all walks of life there are those with self control, and those without. Some do very well, some fall on their arrises, not for society to intervene.
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TM
Ffs put a bag of frozen peas on the napper……. |
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Id love them to shut you down TM, youve already implied elsewhere that its all c'est la vie and the exchange shouldnt really be here after 20 good years...
Then you could go and phucking burn your bra. |
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Despite the picture dusty would like to paint of me NWTS, I broadly agree with that.
But "society" (the word you used) has laws. If people break the laws, we don't usually support the perpetrators and blame those that were on the receiving end of that law breaking. |
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But thats what the city has been doing for decades now...
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Calm down dusty - and please have a go at answering the £6m question!
If the bookmakers know exactly who the problem gamblers are - why are they allowing all of their customers to go through this? |
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The same reason the banks lend money to those who cannot afford to pay it back, its called Capitalism TM.... gotta have losers and winners, thats the way it works
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Because the liberals demanded something must be done and the government appeased them while not having a plan you fool.
The industry has had a the sword of Damocles hanging for a couple of years now. Now plse do go and FY |
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Or in my missus's case, the reason she thinks every new skin product will be the one to change her life.. too stupid to realise otherwise..
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Its a lot like the other imagined madness created by the perennial losers in other areas of society, it was a dart for legislation while people were wrongsided...but thankfully sense has galvanised people into pushing back.
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Don't let yer missus watch any of those "fun" bingo adverts then NWTS.
She'll be doing £500 per spin quicker than you can say "of course I noticed you've had your hair done". |
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Nobody wants to have a go at actually answering this:
If the bookmakers know exactly who the problem gamblers are - why are they allowing all of their customers to go through this? |
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TM - Becuase for sharp players they can detect this after 1-2 bets and yet for mugs and addicts somehow it takes them losing 100k to realise whats going on :)
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Its pretty simple its just the inverse of what they have used data for years. Banned from Offers? Well that means who has the most offers? (bingo! ) - restrcited at 10% of stake (who is upgraded) - etc. etc.. we all egt the point
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