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You are choosing to believe BF then backfitting your reasoning e.g. the omerta in the changing room.
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I know this isn't a criminal case but am astonished that outrageous claims are just blindly accepted because I sense a belief in "why would she lie?"
Innocent until proven guilty in the court of life is as important as in the court, imo Just imagine if Dunne was your son and he was at the mercy of a devious self-centred woman? |
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Why was anything, regarding the case realeased for public viewing,before the case was finished and the findings reported.
People will always form an opinion and believe what they want to believe, regardless of not having the full facts, rightly or wrongly, its just human nature. |
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no matter how it ends their both hurt by this in the weighing room one way or another,both will have friends in there
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He's injured atm isn't he?
Hope his legs are ok  |
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not his legs you should worry about,it's his eyesight.
Ploughing through fences and blaming other jockeys. |
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If it's female's Dunne has a problem with then there will be previous with other people and I'd be astonished if Frost's assertions weren't backed up by them. So if it isn't an issue other than 2 people dislike each other (for whatever reason) then 2 grown ups should be able to sort this. Has either side tried arbitration or did it just fester and then Frost complained, did she and her team try to sort it and had nowhere to go or was the bha complaint the first try to resolve it? Dunne has prob been out of order but no more so that any other number of jocks/prof sportspeople on pretty much any day in similar circumstances.
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Whatever the facts in this case there will be only one outcome based on the media frenzy.
Dunne found guilty and given month riding ban with most of it suspended for a 1-2 year period. BHA put measures in place to allow jockeys to safely report discrimination, threats, bullying etc. Job done….move on….I bet both Briony and Robbie would take that tomorrow as it’s got out of hand due the incompetent BHA. Frost has arguably come off worse as not many outside rides since this came to light. |
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she wasnt getting rides off pumpkin or outside before this became public,its why it became public
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there was a thread on here about her not getting rides before any of this came out
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It was 3rd September 2020 Go Chique made her debut in the race after Cillians unfortunately fell fatally.
I was waiting to meet Henderson’s representative in the owners area before the race when Dunne and (trainer I guess) came out to tell owner stood by me that the horse had to be destroyed. They were all very upset which is totally understandable. With emotions running that high it’s likely Dunne could have and probably did speak to BF as reported. But you need to put into context of the moment of losing a horse he was very fond of. I doubt very much he would have said those things if the horse had got up safely. |
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I wonder how the saddling area will be in future , how other jockeys will react to this.
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What about Johnny Farrelly? Seven year ban at least. The police investigated and did not bring charges. I hope he wins his appeal.
This is down to a spurned lover getting her revenge |
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A storm in a teacup
The weighing room is a vibrant place where there is plenty of what the Irish call slagging and the English call banter. Doesn't matter if you are male, female , black, white , gay or straight once you get on a horse and try to jump over fences at over 25 mph. It's one of the most dangerous sports in the world and if you have the guts to face up to that sort of race riding, a bit of slagging or banter in the dressing room shouldn't be an issue should it ? |
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A storm in a teacup -- I think you are a little out of touch with the current pc climate.
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The other thing here is that all jockeys try to gain an advantage over their rivals. Whether that advantage can be taken mentally by upsetting another jockey or physically through the use or misuse of a horse in a race clearly cannot be adequately monitored or proven appropriately with the current status quo.
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Spot on honcho ......I think the bha are a little out of touch with the weighing room culture
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The trouble is surely that weighing room culture is a little out of touch with the zeitgeist, and possibly even the law.
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Football fans screaming racial abuse = Authorities out of touch with terrace culture
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I have no idea who is telling the truth,but how has this taken so long to resolve.The Godolphin doping case was done and dusted in 2 or 3 days.That case must have been just as complicated.
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BHA handling second case about weighing room behaviour towards a female jockey
Two cases involving complaints by female jockeys have led to a call for a review of weighing room culture Two cases involving complaints by female jockeys have led to a call for a review of weighing room culture Edward Whitaker (racingpost.com/photos) 1 of 1 By Chris Cook, Senior reporter 12:34PM, OCT 21 2021 A second case is working its way through racing's tortuous disciplinary system in which a female jockey has complained about the behaviour of a male jockey. The existence of the case, which relates to a one-off incident in a changing-room area last year, was revealed in a national newspaper report on Thursday morning. The female jockey in question has not spoken to reporters, does not wish to discuss her case outwith the formal process and is said to be distressed details have leaked out. It is being dealt with as a safeguarding issue and therefore she hopes and expects not to be named in public at any stage. Her supporters say she is now questioning whether she should have come forward with her complaint. She is receiving support from the Professional Jockeys Association. The news comes just days after a lengthy report in The Sunday Times, relating details of the complaint made by Bryony Frost against Robbie Dunne. While the Frost-Dunne case involves allegations of bullying and inappropriate behaviour dating back years, it is believed there is no similar allegation of long-standing ill feeling between the two jockeys involved in the second case. But the fact a second case exists has prompted one national newspaper to call for a review of the culture and working conditions for female jockeys. What the two cases have in common is that neither has yet reached a final hearing, despite the complaints being made last year. The BHA's position regarding the second case is not yet known but it said on Sunday that the Frost-Dunne case was "close to reaching its conclusion". The lead investigator in that case, Chris Watts, has left the BHA in recent months for reasons that have yet to be explained. An investigation is under way to determine how the details in the Frost case came to be published and the BHA has reported a possible data breach to the Information Commissioner that may have been responsible. However, the second case has not been reported in the same detail, suggesting that BHA papers have not been leaked on this occasion. |
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The Times 21.10.2021
Racing’s new sexism row: Second female jockey lodges complaint over male behaviour exclusive Matt Lawton, Chief Sports Correspondent Wednesday October 20 2021, 10.30pm, The Times Horse racing and tips The complaint concerns what is viewed as a safeguarding issue relating to the behaviour of a male rider towards a female jockey The complaint concerns what is viewed as a safeguarding issue relating to the behaviour of a male rider towards a female jockey VINCE CALIGIURI/GETTY IMAGES Share Save A second female jockey has lodged a complaint with the British Horseracing Authority after an incident involving a male jockey. The Times understands the complaint concerns what is viewed as a safeguarding issue relating to the behaviour of a male rider towards a female jockey. The alleged incident further highlights the need for a review of the culture and working conditions for female jockeys in the sport. The revelation comes in the week The Sunday Times revealed the details of a separate report by a British Horseracing Authority (BHA) investigator into a complaint of bullying lodged by Bryony Frost against Robbie Dunne. Within her complaint Frost, 26, has pointed to a weighing-room culture of bullying and intimidation that could discourage women from participating in a sport that enables them to compete directly against men. The 120-page report compiled by BHA officials who investigated Frost’s claims said that there was evidence of a cultural problem among jockeys that meant threatening behaviour was not held to account. The sensitivities around the second case mean the jockey cannot be named, while the evidence is under the consideration of the compliance department at the BHA. The next step, should it progress, would lead to the case being heard by an independent disciplinary panel. It is hoped the complaint will lead to positive change, including the provision of better facilities for female participants at racecourses. The BHA declined to comment but it confirmed this week that the Frost case was close to reaching its conclusion. The BHA report, seen by The Sunday Times, included evidence from Frost in which she claimed that Dunne had called her a “****” and a “c***”. She also said he had threatened her with violence and appeared naked before her in the changing room at a race meeting. Last week details emerged of the complaint of bullying Frost made against Dunne Last week details emerged of the complaint of bullying Frost made against Dunne DENIS MURPHY/TGS PHOTO/SHUTTERSTOCK Dunne told investigators he had not used those words and said Frost’s account was inaccurate. He denied most of the allegations made against him by Frost. He alleged that soon after one argument with Frost, he had received an anonymous phone call in which the caller threatened to break his legs. He was informed in April that he faced disciplinary charges including “conduct prejudicial to the integrity or good reputation” of the sport. Dunne declined to respond to the Sunday Times report but has previously said he wanted to leave the BHA to complete its investigation before commenting publicly. His solicitor, Daryl Cowan, said on Sunday the leaking of the report had ruined any chance of Dunne being able to defend himself fairly. He said: “The BHA has lost control of this case. Under the BHA’s judicial panels’ code, the case papers are, or supposed to be, strictly confidential.” The BHA declined to comment on Frost’s case but said it planned to introduce a new code of conduct to address “bad behaviours” in the sport. |
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These blithering women who thought they could do a man's work. Why the hell couldn't they stay at home and mind their pots and pans and stick to their frocks and gossip and leave men's work to the men?
James Bond, Casino Royale. 1951, not 2021. Gone are, or should be, the days when a jockey or trainer had droit du seigneur over stable lasses, and the right to thump an apprentice. |
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Bandwagon building momentum.
Sun chequebook open |
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the cancel culture like that bloke who called ramsays daughter chubby he will probably lose his job also with the momentom tv and social media gather
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She is chubby, told the truth. Gr8 girl though.
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Cancel culture
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Nobody on here knows what was said and done in this case, and we can only summise and base our judgements on the evidence presented to us. None of us were in the weighing room, so i don't understand how some posters on here are really getting their knickers in a twist in their defence of RD.
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Since most of use anonymous nics there could be several voices here who know exactly what went on....
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never heard of cancel culture sparrow?
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Thank God you are on this forum.
Jumping-cuckoo-monk20 Oct 21 18:04 I know this isn't a criminal case but am astonished that outrageous claims are just blindly accepted because I sense a belief in "why would she lie?" Innocent until proven guilty in the court of life is as important as in the court, imo Just imagine if Dunne was your son and he was at the mercy of a devious self-centred woman? |
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There is no "evidence" as yet, just wild surmise, hearsay and emotional c rap about "poor, weak, defenceless girls" who run to daddy when things don;t go their way. They;re so "weak" they can win Grand nationals ffs!
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From the early days of my law study (1982) we were taught definitions we had to learn verbatim e.g In law the term evidence is used to indicate the means by which any fact or point in issue or question may be proved or disproved in a manner complying with the rules governing the subject.Nothing shall be admitted in evidence that does not immediately tend to prove or disprove the fact or point in issue or question.
As you say honcho,cuckoo hits the nail on the head,not saying Frost is devious but the basic principle is as usual,ignored on here.Amazed I can remember some of my definitions tbh,much of my memory has been wiped since illness. |
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Btw I noticed a PFN trained horse ran today called Hard Frost!!!
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The evidence of the race video seems to show Frost did not cause Dunne's fall.
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Even that "evidence" is debatable. What is not is that her horses are regularly allowed to choose their own path into a fence, so much so that even Brough Scott has remarked upon it, live, on tv.
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That is not a fact or point in issue or question in the case ramruna.
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Petrocelli's on the case.
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Marcus Armytage, talking about how he fears that this case means that the days are over when the weighing room could police itself through senior jockeys:
... you abided by certain unwritten rules out on the racecourse, like keeping straight and not trying to poke up the rails, where the decisions you made could be at best dangerous, at worst, fatal. ... Racing can be a violent business. It remains the one sport where you are followed by an ambulance at work. There is a duty to look after each other. Because the perspective of a jockey in a race is so different to what we can see on cameras, there has to be a degree of self-policing when someone is perceived to be not riding safely. Because this case has been allowed to run so far, though, it looks like goodbye to all that. No one will want to step in now, however senior. Without a degree of self-policing the sport will be the worse and probably more dangerous because of it. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/racing/2021/10/21/bryony-frost-bullying-row-would-never-have-happened-day/ |
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There's no such thing as self-policing any more, in any industry. The world has changed rapidly, and the law with it. There is only what is legal, and not legal, in the workplace.
We become more like America every day. |