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By:
MJK
When: 18 Oct 21 15:21

Oct 18, 2021 -- 3:19PM, carrot1960 wrote:


Tony McCoy had a habit of doing exactly the same as Frost when he knew he was in trouble approaching the final obstacle , but he did it in hurdle races never in chases as Frost does . the video evidence is there to see go take a look


He did it in plenty of chases at the last. Also most days on both codes there seems to be a habit now for jockeys, as soon as they go past the one in front, to manoeuvre their horse into that one's line.

By:
Jumping-cuckoo-monk
When: 18 Oct 21 15:24
She deserves no sympathy until her claims are verified.
What about sympathy for Dunne?
By:
parispike
When: 18 Oct 21 15:26
AP the past master at that technique. Hurdles and Fences.
By:
fife
When: 18 Oct 21 15:36
What sympathy does Dunne deserve ?.
By:
Jumping-cuckoo-monk
When: 18 Oct 21 15:44
He might be wrongly accused
Do you want a world where mere accusations without proof can destroy a person?
By:
mrcombustible
When: 19 Oct 21 10:01
defence of weighing-room culture
Bryony Frost: alleagations of bullying against fellow rider Robert Dunne
Bryony Frost: alleagations of bullying against fellow rider Robert Dunne
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By Stuart Riley
UPDATED 8:48PM, OCT 18 2021
 
Jockeys past and present have defended the weighing-room culture criticised in the investigation into allegations of bullying made by Bryony Frost against fellow rider Robbie Dunne, calling on the BHA to get its house in order over the prolonged complaint that dates back to 2017 and culminated in a second racing incident in September last year.

The BHA has referred itself to the Information Commissioner after concluding the 120-page investigators' report may have been leaked from within its own integrity department. That document revealed charges had been brought against Dunne for "conduct prejudicial to the integrity or good reputation" and outlined Frost's belief there was ongoing ill feeling between the two riders. Dunne denied the allegations.

After interviewing other jockeys and valets, the BHA investigators concluded in the report that "there is a cultural issue in which threatening behaviour is condoned and not reported in the weighing room. It is submitted that it is likely that this is why it has been difficult for the BHA to gather detailed witness evidence from occupants of the weighing room".

However, prominent members of the weighing room, led by Professional Jockeys Association (PJA) jump president David Bass, yesterday denied there was a cultural issue.

Bass told the Racing Post: "As far as the culture in the weighing room goes, I don't think it's an issue that needs to be blown out of proportion. From what I experience day to day, I don't believe it's negative and from what I see most of the time we look out for each other and most of the time there's a lot of respect for each other.

"There will be disputes because we are competitive sportspeople pumped full of adrenaline, but from what I've experienced the culture in the weighing room most of the time is respectful and a good place to be.

"It's sad it has come out and I get on well with both Bryony and Robbie, so I hope it's going to be resolved soon. It's ridiculous how long it has taken as it's been over a year now and a shame the whole thing has been leaked, which is very disappointing as far as the BHA is concerned.

"But I think the culture is mainly very good in the weighing room. It's a really sad story and it's not a great headline for racing but it could have been dealt with in a much quicker and better way. It didn't need to drag on."

David Bass: "I don't think it's an issue that needs to be blown out of proportion"
David Bass: "I don't think it's an issue that needs to be blown out of proportion"
Edward Whitaker
Asked if he felt the weighing room had a culture in which a rider could raise concerns if they felt they were being bullied, Bass said: "Yes. If there's a problem of course it can be resolved and there's a lot of senior jockeys in there who will go out of their way to try to resolve issues in a respectful way. That's why it's disappointing this has dragged on as long as it has."

The Grade 1-winning rider added: "As president of the jumps jockeys I'm very keen on improving the wellbeing of jockeys and sorting certain issues so we have fewer disputes in the weighing room.

"In my opinion we have a crazy fixture list, there's a lot of jumps racing all year around and I strongly believe we should have a much longer break in the summer. There are other issues with facilities and working environment which in the long run would help with jockeys being more relaxed and happy at work, which would hopefully mean there are fewer disputes."

Richard Johnson, the four-time champion jockey and one of the most senior figures in the weighing room during the period in question, echoed Bass's thoughts.

"I won't comment on the situation itself," he said, "but for me the weighing room has always been a great place to be and very safe. Whatever was going on on the track, good or bad, the weighing room was where you felt safe and everyone looked out for each other. I'm disappointed to see what's been said over the last few days."

Peter Scudamore was more strident in his criticism of the BHA while stressing that there would always be a certain amount of conflict among riders.

Scudamore said: "My best friends were Graham McCourt and Hywel Davies but riding around Huntingdon we did nothing but destroy each other because we were that competitive. We may not have spoken for two days but then we sat down and shook hands and laughed about it. I put Bruce Dowling through the wing one day, it happened to me in a Gold Cup."

The eight-time champion added: "Obviously the BHA have made a complete ****-up of this inquiry. I cannot see how any good can come of this. There's got to be a better way of handling this and they've opened a whole can of worms."
By:
Alices
When: 19 Oct 21 10:23
Are Scu and Dicky suggesting that Dunne is a bit if a ****, reading between the lines
By:
Alices
When: 19 Oct 21 10:24
Cat.
By:
Ramruma
When: 19 Oct 21 10:35
Not sure if all this "good old days" stuff is actually very helpful. For instance, Scu joking about putting someone through a wing, when that is one of the allegations here.
By:
elise
When: 19 Oct 21 10:36
bass & johnson have pointed out the failing, yes disputes happen and it's a dangerous sport so the odd disagreement but what's done the real damage here is the amount of time this has dragged on
By:
Eont
When: 19 Oct 21 10:55
Have Frost and Dunne ever been on a date once?

I think a lot is unreported.

He gives the impression of being a dumped nutter who cannot take no for an answer.
By:
Jumping-cuckoo-monk
When: 19 Oct 21 11:23
This is the sort of thing people extract from accusations. ^^^
None of it is proven!
By:
Jumping-cuckoo-monk
When: 19 Oct 21 11:26
I'll have a go
I reckon she's an attention seeker and gobby mare.
Can't take criticism and is so dumb that a man being naked in a changing room is gunna happen
She embellishes with a prima donna attitude
I don't know her very well and really don't give a monkeys about her.
No proof for my assertions but hey, it's what I feel
By:
truehoncho
When: 19 Oct 21 11:27
This is the sort of thing people extract from accusations. ^^^
None of it is proven!
  --  Not sure proof is a requirement of anonymous forum posts.
By:
Jumping-cuckoo-monk
When: 19 Oct 21 11:29
You can end up in court for malicious **** on social media
But that wasn't my point as well you know
By:
truehoncho
When: 19 Oct 21 11:33
I know that Jumping. I think the bit about her soon being up the stick and away to be a housewife fell off the bottom of your post.
By:
Jumping-cuckoo-monk
When: 19 Oct 21 11:36
Please don't put your words in my "mouth" Cool
By:
truehoncho
When: 19 Oct 21 11:38
I was only kidding. You got to have a sense of humour on this forum. Clearly something some jockey's seem to be devoid of.
By:
roggrain
When: 19 Oct 21 11:39
I can think of a couple of American female jockeys who would have punched Dunne on the nose and that

would have been the end of it!
By:
roggrain
When: 19 Oct 21 11:44
Yet again, the BHA has done more to bring racing into disrepute than all the scallywags in the

history of the sport combined!
By:
Jumping-cuckoo-monk
When: 19 Oct 21 11:44
Cool
By:
truehoncho
When: 19 Oct 21 11:44
You would have thought that one of the other jockeys would have stepped in if it was as bad as being said.
By:
Jumping-cuckoo-monk
When: 19 Oct 21 11:56
What if they agreed with Dunne's sentiments about her "dangerous" riding and let him stick his head above the parapit and actually confront her.
Thing is I think the anger had festered and Dunne blew his top after a ride that wasn't that dangerous by BF?
Have other rides been mentioned we could look at?
By:
Daryl Revok
When: 19 Oct 21 13:57
carrot1960 Joined: 05 Feb 08
Replies: 1538317 Oct 21 11:49 
A quick look at a random selection of her front running rides reveals  she sure does have a habit of getting her mounts to jump wayward when challenged late on in the race
By:
truehoncho
When: 19 Oct 21 14:37
Lets hope the BHA have reviewed her riding.
By:
sparrow
When: 19 Oct 21 15:09
I can't recall people asking for a review of AP McCoy's riding when he was well known for this sort of thing.
By:
truehoncho
When: 19 Oct 21 15:17
Did he make a complaint about anyone?
By:
sparrow
When: 19 Oct 21 15:20
Maybe nobody gave him cause to complain
By:
truehoncho
When: 19 Oct 21 15:21
So why review his riding. I'm sure your right and he was as bad but I think this is different.
By:
elise
When: 19 Oct 21 15:24
trying to imagine a similar complaint where robbie waves his todger in ap's face and tells him he'll put him through the wings, doesn't end well
By:
sparrow
When: 19 Oct 21 15:29
Precisely, elise.
By:
elise
When: 19 Oct 21 15:32
perhaps in those situations bass would help him to a chair and provide some smelling salts and they'd all carry on as though nothing had happened
By:
penzance
When: 19 Oct 21 15:43
is Dunne injured?
No form in the Post.
tx.
By:
elise
When: 19 Oct 21 15:47
i thought he'd been reported as injured penz but not sure
By:
elise
When: 19 Oct 21 15:56
dorking rogue in august, injured when it fell
By:
sparrow
When: 19 Oct 21 16:06
According to RP "Jockeys on the Sidelines" he is injured.
By:
penzance
When: 19 Oct 21 16:09
cheers.
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 19 Oct 21 20:20
It is disgusting how Dunne's reputation is being so maligned by hearsay, dropped rumours and simply vile innuendo etc:  Athletes do, and always will, strip off in dressing rooms.  It;s not his problem that the BHA can't find adequate facilities for another sex.  What is he meant to do and is this minx accusing him of doing it deliberately to offend her?  I even read some idiot on here accusing him of going around the dressing room waving his manhood around without an ounce of shame on the writers part.  It is disgusting how this case has and is being handled.
By:
roggrain
When: 20 Oct 21 09:45
We live in a culture dominated by such things as social media and soap opera. These are the source of

the opinions and thought processes of countless millions of people. It's a sad state of affairs.

It has always been a principle of criminal law that an accused is presumed innocent until proven

guilty. It seems that is being turned on it's head and 'kangaroo courts' thinking has taken over.
By:
ProSniper
When: 20 Oct 21 09:56
Did Dunny even get a kangaroo hearing?
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