I'd make sure I kept my horses running straight into fences in the future and thus shut the ****;s gas to a peep.  That of course is IF I was your physical inferior.  I certainly wouldn't run away and tell my daddy!

No.  You asked about a hypothetical situation and I answered you hypothetically.  You still haven't responded to my post and continue to talk about Ms Frost's allegations as if they are factual, which they are not.  They are alleged but people like you talk about them as if they are fact.  And as for cringeing?   Me cringeing to you isn't going to happen sonny, as I told you once before.  Ever.  And in case you've forgotten, I'll repeat it.  Away and lie in your pysh.
Ms Frost will reap what she has sown in my opinion.  Daddy can;t help her now, neither can her soppy media darling Chamberlin.  She has to prove her allegations.  The this will follow her around like a bad smell.

No smoke without fire .....I dont know LoyalHoncho and I dont know Dunne but from what I do know of Bryony Frost I would find her more credible than either of them, but agree the evidence of what has been said is unproven. However we can view  Bryony's jockeyship and the races in question and I've not seen her deliberately make the kind of dangerous moves we sadly see occasionally in racing. Stewards need to warn them both to be careful and indeed all jockeys, and and make every effort to keep dangerous riding tactics out of this sport. It can be a hard sport, but this kind of behaviour is not going to encourage youngsters, male or female to enter it and i would like to think senior jockeys could have done more to resolve this speedily.

would like to think senior jockeys could have done more to resolve this speedily.

Yes. Among those in the dressing room were:

Nico de Boinville
Tom Scu
Paddy Brennan
Brian Hughes
Harry Skelton
Adrian Heskin
Sean Bowen
Adam Wedge

Oh Dear the BHA, run by incompetent amateurs. THere is no case ,handbags at 10 paces in the changing room. The fact the case has already been leaked means Dunne's lawyers will get the case thrown out.  I get the impression Frost can be a very irritating character and all Nicholls jockeys have a bit of "win at all cost mentality about them". Dunne is probably old school,"Biddlecombe type" character who calls a spade a spade.
BHA should have had them both in 10 months ago, told them to grow up and get on with it.The fact it has took them a year to get this far says it all.

If a jockey (male or female!) has cut another jockey up I feel they are fully entitled to give them a rollicking , when they are riding half a ton of horse at 30mph! They have an ambulance following them for a reason.

They probably didn't feel it was anything more than a storm in a teacup - which it probably wasn't.  Or maybe they didn't want grassed up and have to face a fitted up investigation.  There is no doubt she often lets her horses choose their own line into fences.  That is at best careless and why people keep going on about her being a girl I don't know.  What has her ( or Robbie Dunne's for that matter) sex got to do with anything?  Anyone?  Or her physique?  Again, anyone?
All we need now is her to bring the tears on at any forthcoming meeting/enquiry and that will seal the deal.  The BHA would chit themselves.
I was a big fan once.  No more.
Good luck Robbie - I think you're going to need it.

There is an apparent culture in National Hunt racing’s weighing rooms that accepts bullying and intimidation as a normal part of a jump jockey’s job, according to a report in the Sunday Times.

The allegations have come to light after a report by a British Horseracing Authority investigator into a complaint of bullying lodged by Bryony Frost against her fellow jockey Robbie Dunne was leaked.

The existence of a potential disciplinary case involving Frost and a weighing-room colleague has been widely acknowledged within racing for many months. The BHA confirmed in a statement on Sunday that the “case is close to reaching its conclusion”.

Frost said after her success on Frodon in the King George VI Chase last December that some issues were “hard for me to chat about because there are still things that need to be sorted out”. Her comment was followed by a report in February that a dispute between Frost and Dunne centred on a race at Southwell in September 2020, in which Dunne’s mount, Cillian’s Well, suffered a fatal fall.

The Sunday Times article reports that Frost lodged a formal complaint against Dunne, alleging “bullying and intimidation in the workplace”, after an angry and abusive confrontation between the two riders after the race at Southwell on 3 September 2020. Following an investigation led by Chris Watts, the BHA’s former head of integrity, Dunne was informed in April that he faced disciplinary charges including “conduct prejudicial to the integrity or good reputation” of the sport.

Having seen a leaked copy of Watts’s 120-page report, however, the Sunday Times further alleges that Frost’s formal complaint was the culmination of a long series of incidents involving Dunne, dating back to her early days as an amateur rider.

According to Frost this included obscene verbal abuse and a threat that “if you ever ****g murder [cut across] me like that again, I’ll murder you”, after a race in July last year when Dunne had also been riding Cillian’s Well. After the race on 3 September, meanwhile, she told the investigation that Dunne approached her an hour later and said: “The next time I ride against you, I promise I will put you through a wing [of a fence].”

Shortly afterwards, Frost says, Dunne confirmed the threat, saying: “My problem is you ****g murder everyone and I promise you the next time we ride against each other, I am going to hurt you.”

Dunne, according to the Sunday Times, was interviewed by Watts on 2 December 2020. When asked about the alleged threat, he reportedly replied: “Well, it was like, ‘I’ll put you through a wing and you’ll probably get [hurt]’, not that ‘you’ll get hurt’ but ‘If you get hurt, it’s the only way you’re gonna learn cos you’re repeatedly doing this, not that ‘I’m going to hurt you’
The BHA officials investigating Frost’s complaint against Dunne also interviewed many of their fellow jockeys and weighing room staff. Their report includes a conclusion that “there is a cultural issue in which threatening behaviour is condoned and not reported in the weighing room. It is likely that this is why it has been difficult for the BHA to gather detailed witness evidence from occupants of the weighing room.”

In a statement on Sunday afternoon, Daryl Cowan, Dunne’s solicitor, said that the leak suggested that the BHA had “completely lost control” of the investigation, and that the authority had conceded that the leak could have originated from its own integrity department.

“In the light of the Sunday Times article and the serious damage this will cause my client in terms of his reputation, not to mention the prejudice that it will cause the process, it has become essential for me to make a statement on his behalf,” Cowan said.


“The BHA has completely lost control of this case. Under the BHA’s much-vaunted Judicial Panels’ Code, the case papers relevant to an investigation are, or are supposed to be, strictly confidential. We have known for some time of a leak to another national newspaper, and Mr Dunne and his family have already suffered from persistent approaches by that particular news outlet, including being doorstepped at his home.

“The piece in the Sunday Times confirms that, as suspected, all or the majority of the case papers have now been leaked into the public domain. Trial by media is always unfair, and a fair trial before a Panel after trial by media is impossible. The BHA has admitted to us that the original leak may have come from within its own integrity department, and that it has notified the Information Commissioner.”

Cowan’s statement also suggests that “the BHA has point-blank refused to give us any details whatsoever [about the leak]”, and that the regulator “has adopted a self-serving siege mentality, with a callous disregard of the welfare of my client and his family”.

The BHA said in an earlier statement on Sunday: “The Sunday Times article refers to leaked documents which are related to an ongoing investigation. In the interests of procedural fairness the BHA does not comment on the details of ongoing investigations.

“This case is close to reaching its conclusion, with directions hearings scheduled for the near future. It is an important case and one that the BHA is taking very seriously. Cases such as this may be complex and involve significant legal representation. In order to ensure fairness for all parties such procedures – including the directions hearings – must be allowed to play out in full, and in private rather than through the media.

“However, as is usual process, and in the interests of openness and transparency, the BHA would make public the details of any cases which are heard in front of its independent Disciplinary Panel, prior to any hearing taking place.”

David Walsh also made a few schoolboy howlers which showed his complete lack of knowledge of horseracing.

one thing that surprises me is that jockeys of both sexes share the same changing rooms. that is plain wrong. surely racecourses can afford a female only changing room in 2021!!!

Can only imagine that must be crazy
Place that weighing room
They All do the same job but
Got jocks getting there £80 ride money
Got jocks getting £££££ sitting next the them
Must be resentment bitterness Jealously allsorts in that work place

Didn't Harry Cobden say something about Frost in an interview, hard work or something ?

I doubt if Dunne will get a ban, I think the case will collapse due to the leak and also the chief investigator has left the BHA under a cloud. Impossible for him to get a fair trial as media has already convicted him on her allegations

Agreed Mr C,the BHA have brought racing into disrepute far more than Dunne even if the allegations are true,best they could do is a verbal warning and close the case.Storm in a D cup anyway,had it been another male complaining they would have told him to grow up and shut up.imvho

The BHA is run by crusty old codgers who think the solution to any problem is to give someone a jolly good punch on the nose & send them on their way, don't cha know. That's after dining on venison & port & having extinguished their cigars & bothering to get out of their comfy armchairs. The whole sport needs a shake up like the one darts & snooker received. I know darts & snooker are not the equivalent of the sport of Kings, but the marketing & running principles would benefit. I read the WHOLE article in the Sunday Times as well as David Walsh's column. My interpretation is that there's something in it & that Dunne is not the sort of person who the BHA or you or I would invite as a guest for tiffin. I hope this is of assistance.

they normally have separate changing areas but some tracks have some communal areas where they'd cross or during covid the layouts may have been different, they are not supposed to change together or even share the same washrooms

thats absolutely pathetic in today's environment. surely the very minimum the bha should provide is seperate and professional standard changing facilities. its not an amateur point to point!!

as i say celtic, the broom cupboard thing was some time ago, early days, sorry if you thought i meant current

I thought Dale Gibson (in his PJA role) did a piece on this recently, generally highlighting the lack of facilities at courses but especially the lack of facilities for lady riders. Can't find it now but it was a bit staggering given the volume of female riders these days.

Dale Gibson article.............

https://www.racingpost.com/news/those-racecourses-know-who-they-are-they-need-a-kick-up-the-backside/504855

and pleased (!) to see there are actually still a couple of tracks with broom cupboards ... if i rem rightly and i might not be but the broom cupboard thing was a grade one track, it may have been early aintree national with lady riders

Not much chance of that on here, fife.