my filters were win by 1 length or more, 35 days max between race and 5.5 bsp max ..............but i see that missed 3 winners this week so from monday i'm posting every qualifier but just keeping 5.5 max price

Thursday 10 December 2020    18:00 Chelmsford City    Count Of Amazonia    hd    won 7/4

Asking For Answers won 12.55 Hex at 3/1                44 days betwween

12:55 Doncaster    Saturday 12 December 2020    Wild Max    nk    won (5/2)

Sunday 13 December 2020

12:20 Southwell

Ecossais

the_dak 08 Dec 20 19:50 
    Wednesday 9 December 2020            no qualifiers   

                           
    Thursday 10 December 2020            14:32 Warwick            Somekindofstar   
    Thursday 10 December 2020            13:42 Taunton            Chapati   
    Thursday 10 December 2020            15:17 Taunton            Go Long   
    Thursday 10 December 2020            15:17 Taunton            Glajou

Do I now put the 3 winners in the chart along with these 2 losers & 2 No Bets?

feels like starting from scratch next week but the 5.5 price is the key...............i'm just betting what stands out, i even backed count of amazonia the other day when i saw a big gamble happening from 13-2 to 7-4 even though it had only won by neck but it was a previous 3 year old CD last time on the all weather

i must be cracking up todays Saturday 12 December 2020           14:05 Doncaster           Ofalltheginjoints   wasnt even a handicap bet365 December Novices' Chase (Grade 2)

David,

“Happysandwich because of my difficulty of getting on the forum, I have just decided I'm going to stop posting I want to thank you for all your help and time and effort you put in with tables good luck with your laying system ...all the best the dak DAVID K "

I understand exactly what you are saying.
Trying to follow my own 14 selections today and sort your sheet out at the same time has become just too much for me.

Just looked at the clock (16:30pm) while I am typing to you and realised I’ve missed laying Dragons Will Rise.

This is your Week 4 sheet as best as I can get it. If you copy & paste it into an Excel book you can start your own new thread ie: “First Time Handicap Winners”

Good luck with it.

WEEK 4
First ever Handicap Win LTO	£10.72 Win Stake
BFSP 5.50 and above = No Bet
	Horse Name	Finish	Odds	BFSP	Lost	Won	No Bets
Monday7th Dec
18:40 Wolverhampton	Beauty Choice	2nd	2/1	3.15	(£10.72)
Tuesday 8th Dec
15:08 Fontwell	Gars Bar Dine	5th	15/8	2.98	(£10.72)
18:15 Southwell	War Defender	9th	9/2	6.04			No Bet
14:55 Wolverhampton	Word Of Honour	9th	11/2	7.41			No Bet
Wednesday 9th Dec
12.55 Hexham	Asking For Answers	1st	3/1	4.60		£38.60
Thursday 10th Dec
14:32 Warwick	Somekindofstar	7th	100/30	5.20	(£10.72)
13:42 Taunton	Chapati	3rd	11/2	6.60			No Bet
15:17 Taunton	Go Long	5th	15/2	9.80			No Bet
15:17 Taunton	Glajou	3rd	6/4	2.59	(£10.72)
18:00 Chelmsford City	Count Of Amazonia	1st	7/4	2.77		£18.97
Friday 11th Dec
13:42 Doncaster	Captain Blackpearl	2nd	2/1	3.20	(£10.72)
Saturday12th Dec
12:55 Doncaster	Wild Max	1st	5/2	3.90		£29.00
15:35 Cheltenham	Molly Ollys Wishes	N.R.
15:35 Cheltenham	The White Mouse	1st	100/30	4.62		£39.00
Sunday 13th Dec
12:20 Southwell	Ecossais
				Totals	(£53.60)	£125.57
			Losers	5
			Winners	4
			No Bets	4
	Weekly Profits
	Week 1	£202.40
	Week 2	£72.80
	Week 3	(£11.47)
	Week 4	£71.97
	Running Total	£335.70

Dak can't log on he's told me on face book he's started a thread on punterslounge  so you can take a look at how his system is doing:   https://forum.punterslounge.com/topic/175251-daks-backs/

Nice going hapsan.

Ericster,

Thanks

Gaze733,

It started off at BFSP 8.00
Then what I noticed on the HTS’s over the last 8 weeks is, using the BFSP 6.00 limit, at no point would you have busted a 20 point bank.
Laying over BFSP 6.00 + is gambling suicide.

Messing about with the 2-3 odds range is far too time consuming and you have to be careful of ‘back-fitting’.

3 Selections tomorrow

WEEK 9
	Horse Name	Position	Odds	BFSP	Lost	Won	No Bets
Sunday 13th Dec
Lingfield 11:40	Black Medick	4th	9/4	3.47		£10.00
Monday 14th Dec
Ayr 12:40	Fancy Foundations	3rd	10/11	2.06		£10.00
Naas 12:55	Castra Vetera	2nd	5/4	2.50		£10.00
Plumpton 2:58	Hab Sab	4th	4/1	5.70		£10.00
Kempton 6:00	Madame Peltier	8th	100/30	4.21		£10.00
Kempton 6:35	Uzincso	1st	15/8	3.00	(£20.00)
Tuesday 15th Dec
Catterick 2:25	Airgead Suas	3rd	Evens	2.12		£10.00
Catterick 2:55	Cybalko	3rd	5/1	6.40			No Bet
Wednesday 16th Dec
Ludlow 1:55	Admirals Secret
Dundalk 3:15	Irish Poseidon
Dundalk 3:15	Juyush
				Totals	(£20.00)	£60.00
Thursday 17th Dec				Losing bets	1
				Winning bets	6
				No Bets	1
				Weekly
Friday 18th Dec		Lost	Won	Profit
	week 1	(£28.90)	£140.00	£111.10
	week 2	(£73.38)	£110.00	£36.62
	week 3	(£40.70)	£90.00	£49.30
	week 4	(£123.60)	£120.00	(£3.60)
Saturday 20th Dec	week 5	(£192.90)	£140.00	(£52.90)
	week 6	(£115.70)	£100.00	(£15.70)
	Week 7	(£83.60)	£180.00	£96.40
	Week 8	(£84.70)	£90.00	£5.30
	Week 9	(£20.00)	£60.00	£40.00
	Week 10
	Totals	(£763.48)	£1,030.00
	Over all profit	£266.52

Saved by the BFSP 6.00 today.

WEEK 9
	Horse Name	Position	Odds	BFSP	Lost	Won	No Bets
Sunday 13th Dec
Lingfield 11:40	Black Medick	4th	9/4	3.47		£10.00
Monday 14th Dec
Ayr 12:40	Fancy Foundations	3rd	10/11	2.06		£10.00
Naas 12:55	Castra Vetera	2nd	5/4	2.50		£10.00
Plumpton 2:58	Hab Sab	4th	4/1	5.70		£10.00
Kempton 6:00	Madame Peltier	8th	100/30	4.21		£10.00
Kempton 6:35	Uzincso	1st	15/8	3.00	(£20.00)
Tuesday 15th Dec
Catterick 2:25	Airgead Suas	3rd	Evens	2.12		£10.00
Catterick 2:55	Cybalko	3rd	5/1	6.40			No Bet
Wednesday 16th Dec
Ludlow 1:55	Admirals Secret	1st	17/2	11.50			No Bet
Dundalk 3:15	Irish Poseidon	1st	9/4	3.73	(£27.30)
Dundalk 5:15	Juyush	1st	5/2	3.79	(£27.90)
Thursday 17th Dec
Down Royal 2:55	Solomon Grundy
Down Royal 2:55	Some Man
Hereford 3:05	Sexy Lot
Exeter 2:05	Hooligan
Chelmsford 8:00	Dawaaleeb
Chelmsford 8:00	Ayr Harbour
Friday 18th Dec					(£75.20)	£60.00
				Totals
					3
				Losing bets	6
Saturday 20th Dec				Winning bets	2
				No Bets
				Weekly
				Profit
		Lost	Won	£111.10
	week 1	(£28.90)	£140.00	£36.62
	week 2	(£73.38)	£110.00	£49.30
	week 3	(£40.70)	£90.00	(£3.60)
	week 4	(£123.60)	£120.00	(£52.90)
	week 5	(£192.90)	£140.00	(£15.70)
	week 6	(£115.70)	£100.00	£96.40
	Week 7	(£83.60)	£180.00	£5.30
	Week 8	(£84.70)	£90.00	(£15.20)
	Week 9	(£75.20)	£60.00
	Week 10
	Totals	(£818.68)	£1,030.00
	Over all profit	£211.32

Does Hooligan really count when he had a long break between his novice and handicap win? I consider him as a normal LTO winner.

Correction

Week 8	9	5	20
Week 9	9	6	2
Week 10
	102	52	113

Trying to look through dak's eyes:
There are two that are well ahead of the handicapper being turned out again quickly  in the 12:37 at uttox although, strictly speaking, Glencoum Lass would be the selection I suppose.
Both that one and the fav Donald Dux [which is a winner without a penalty] and the selection one as they pleased LTO. How do you evaluate "easy"?
Shame they both had to run today in the same race.
Add to that Knocknamona won a chase easily enough last time on heavy going and, apparently, is on a good mark from hurdle winning ways from way back in 2017.
Not to mention the other twelve.

However, Saint Dalina is an easy conditionals-race winner without a penalty and goes on the ground, although not a dak selection.
Might have an interest in that one.

Good luck with your's hapsan.
A nice cheap lay to kick off with at uttox anyway.

Ericster,

I left the Southwell 2:05 completely alone because Daks Trinity Girl was in the race.
I’m £14 down on the day and hoping  a £10 Wolver 7:45 Autumn Fair will get me out of trouble.

WEEK 9
	Horse Name	Position	Odds	BFSP	Lost	Won	No Bets
Sunday 13th Dec
Lingfield 11:40	Black Medick	4th	9/4	3.47		£10.00
Monday 14th Dec
Ayr 12:40	Fancy Foundations	3rd	10/11	2.06		£10.00
Naas 12:55	Castra Vetera	2nd	5/4	2.50		£10.00
Plumpton 2:58	Hab Sab	4th	4/1	5.70		£10.00
Kempton 6:00	Madame Peltier	8th	100/30	4.21		£10.00
Kempton 6:35	Uzincso	1st	15/8	3.00	(£20.00)
Tuesday 15th Dec
Catterick 2:25	Airgead Suas	3rd	Evens	2.12		£10.00
Catterick 2:55	Cybalko	3rd	5/1	6.40			No Bet
Wednesday 16th Dec
Ludlow 1:55	Admirals Secret	1st	17/2	11.50			No Bet
Dundalk 3:15	Irish Poseidon	1st	9/4	3.73	(£27.30)
Dundalk 5:15	Juyush	1st	5/2	3.79	(£27.90)
Thursday 17th Dec
Down Royal 2:55	Solomon Grundy	5th	25/1	46.00			No Bet
Down Royal 2:55	Some Man	7th	6/1	9.85			No Bet
Hereford 3:05	Sexy Lot	2nd	10/11	2.00		£10.00
Exeter 2:05	Hooligan	3rd	11/2	8.28			No Bet
Chelmsford 8:00	Dawaaleeb	3rd	2/1	3.30			No Bet
Chelmsford 8:00	Ayr Harbour	2nd	9/4	3.52			No Bet
Friday 18th Dec
Southwell 11:55	Lexi The One	4th	11/4	4.33		£10.00
Southwell 2:05	Social City	1st	3/1	4.40	(£34.00)
Navan 1:35	Fakiera	2nd	5/1	6.54			No Bet
Navan 1:35	Holymacapony	P.U.	7/4	3.12			No Bet
Navan 3:20	Sir Gerhard	1st	4/9	1.72			No Bet
Navan 3:20	Letsbeclearaboutit	2nd	9/4	3.46			No Bet
Navan 3:20	Anglers Crag	3rd	25/1	26.40			No Bet
Uttoxeter 12:07	Wouldyoubewell	1st	5/4	2.40	(£14.00)
Ascot 12:45	Castle Robin	2nd	8/1	10.40			No Bet
Ascot 2:30	Llandinabo Lad	2nd	2/1	3.09			No Bet
Ascot 2:30	Shantou Express	5th	4/1	5.50			No Bet
Ascot 2:30	Press Your Luck	P.U.	18/1	23.30			No Bet
Saturday 19th Dec
Lingfield 12:50	Queens Course
Lingfield 1:25	Brian The Snail
Lingfield 2:35	Zaraqaan
Haydock 12:20	Elvis Mail
Haydock 2:40	Hill Sixteen
Ascot 1:15	Caribean Bay
Ascot 3:35	Isolate
				Totals	(£123.20)	£80.00
				Losing bets	5
				Winning bets	8
				No Bets	16
			Weekly
	Lost	Won	Profit
week 1	(£28.90)	£140.00	£111.10
week 2	(£73.38)	£110.00	£36.62
week 3	(£40.70)	£90.00	£49.30
week 4	(£123.60)	£120.00	(£3.60)
week 5	(£192.90)	£140.00	(£52.90)
week 6	(£115.70)	£100.00	(£15.70)
Week 7	(£83.60)	£180.00	£96.40
Week 8	(£84.70)	£90.00	£5.30
Week 9	(£123.20)	£80.00	(£43.20)
Week 10
Totals	(£866.68)	£1,050.00
Over all profit	£183.32

Well, I've finally remembered why I gave up with the nags all those years ago, I was and am rubbish at it.
I'm keen to have a look at laying hotpots in novice races for a while and then that will be that.
I'm not keen to go with what you're doing  hapsan because I'd rather be chasing small losses as and when, up to a point, and see how it works out.
We shall see.
But apart from that I shall go back to amusing myself with the football.
Any word on how the_dak's doing?

I’m still keeping a record of it

https://forum.punterslounge.com/topic/175251-daks-backs/

Of Boris’s £200 Winter Fuel Allowance I put into my account on 29th November I’ve increased it to £251.72 and had a lot of fun high fiving with my wife along the way – when they cross the line.

Ericster,

I just don’t understand why you can’t bet in just small stakes like me, for fun.

WEEK 5
First ever Handicap Win LTO	£10.72 Win Stake
BFSP 5.50 and above = No Bet
	Horse Name	Finish	Odds	BFSP	Lost	Won	No Bets
Monday 14th Dec
13:53 Plumpton	Benevolentdictator	1st	10/11	2.06		£11.36
Tuesday 15th Dec
14:05 Wincanton	Jessica Rabbit	N.R.
16:20 Newcastle	Jewel Maker	2nd		4.02	(£10.72)
	Fortune Finder
Wednesday 16th Dec
11:30 Lingfield	Blue Whisper	8th	9/2	6.60			No Bet
14:45 Lingfield	Fortune Finder	P.U.	11/10	2.14	(£10.72)
14:55 Newbury	Sao	1st	5/2	3.91		£31.20
Thursday 17th Dec
No Selections
Friday 18th Dec
12:37 Uttoxeter	Glencoum Lass	3rd	4/1	7.53			No Bet
14:05 Southwell	Trinity Girl	3rd	2/1	3.01	(£10.72)
17:15 Wolverhampton	Beauty Stone	2nd	5/2	3.91	(£10.72)
19:45 Wolverhampton	Autumn War	1st	2/1	3.08		£22.30
Saturday 19th Dec
14:05 Hayfock	Albert's Back
16:30 Wolverhampton	Olivers Pursuit
19:00 Wolverhampton	Trevie Fountain
Sunday 20th Dec
				Totals	(£42.88)	£64.86
			Losers	4
			Winners	3
			No Bets	2
	Weekly Profits
	Week 1	£202.40
	Week 2	£72.80
	Week 3	(£11.47)
	Week 4	£91.77
	Week 5	£21.98
	Running Total	£377.48

I want to thank you happysandwich because of looking at your system and then me seeing a pattern for winners....I just backed a horse each way from the back system that won at 9/1 but was only 7/2 yesterday  14:05 Hayfock           Albert's Back   i think you meant HAYDOCK :)

i meant only BSP 12

These are Sunday’s selections for Week 10.

Thurles 1:00 Warreedy
Thurles 2:00 Gauloise
Thurles 2:30 Sullane Hill
Southwell 2:15 Luscifer
Southwell 4:15 Spring Romance
Southwell 4:15 The Nosey Parker

WEEK 9
	Horse Name	Position	Odds	BFSP	Lost	Won	No Bets
Sunday 13th Dec
Lingfield 11:40	Black Medick	4th	9/4	3.47		£10.00
Monday 14th Dec
Ayr 12:40	Fancy Foundations	3rd	10/11	2.06		£10.00
Naas 12:55	Castra Vetera	2nd	5/4	2.50		£10.00
Plumpton 2:58	Hab Sab	4th	4/1	5.70		£10.00
Kempton 6:00	Madame Peltier	8th	100/30	4.21		£10.00
Kempton 6:35	Uzincso	1st	15/8	3.00	(£20.00)
Tuesday 15th Dec
Catterick 2:25	Airgead Suas	3rd	Evens	2.12		£10.00
Catterick 2:55	Cybalko	3rd	5/1	6.40			No Bet
Wednesday 16th Dec
Ludlow 1:55	Admirals Secret	1st	17/2	11.50			No Bet
Dundalk 3:15	Irish Poseidon	1st	9/4	3.73	(£27.30)
Dundalk 5:15	Juyush	1st	5/2	3.79	(£27.90)
Thursday 17th Dec
Down Royal 2:55	Solomon Grundy	5th	25/1	46.00			No Bet
Down Royal 2:55	Some Man	7th	6/1	9.85			No Bet
Hereford 3:05	Sexy Lot	2nd	10/11	2.00		£10.00
Exeter 2:05	Hooligan	3rd	11/2	8.28			No Bet
Chelmsford 8:00	Dawaaleeb	3rd	2/1	3.30			No Bet
Chelmsford 8:00	Ayr Harbour	2nd	9/4	3.52			No Bet
Friday 18th Dec
Southwell 11:55	Lexi The One	4th	11/4	4.33		£10.00
Southwell 2:05	Social City	1st	3/1	4.40	(£34.00)
Navan 1:35	Fakiera	2nd	5/1	6.54			No Bet
Navan 1:35	Holymacapony	P.U.	7/4	3.12			No Bet
Navan 3:20	Sir Gerhard	1st	4/9	1.72			No Bet
Navan 3:20	Letsbeclearaboutit	2nd	9/4	3.46			No Bet
Navan 3:20	Anglers Crag	3rd	25/1	26.40			No Bet
Uttoxeter 12:07	Wouldyoubewell	1st	5/4	2.40	(£14.00)
Ascot 12:45	Castle Robin	2nd	8/1	10.40			No Bet
Ascot 2:30	Llandinabo Lad	2nd	2/1				No Bet
Ascot 2:30	Shantou Express	5th	4/1				No Bet
Ascot 2:30	Press Your Luck	6th	18/1				No Bet
Saturday 19th Dec
Lingfield 12:50	Queens Course	2nd	85/40	3.32		£10.00
Lingfield 1:25	Brian The Snail	2nd	14/1	18.90			No Bet
Lingfield 2:35	Al Zaraqaan	1st	11/10	2.22	(£12.20)
Haydock 12:20	Elvis Mail	4th	11/4	4.00		£10.00
Haydock 2:40	Hill Sixteen	P.U.	11/4	4.07		£10.00
Ascot 1:15	Caribean Boy	3rd	4/5	1.86		£10.00
Ascot 3:35	Isolate	10th	14/1	19.10			No Bet
				Totals	(£135.40)	£120.00
				Losing bets	6
				Winning bets	12
				No Bets	18
			Weekly
	Lost	Won	Profit
week 1	(£28.90)	£140.00	£111.10
week 2	(£73.38)	£110.00	£36.62
week 3	(£40.70)	£90.00	£49.30
week 4	(£123.60)	£120.00	(£3.60)
week 5	(£192.90)	£140.00	(£52.90)
week 6	(£115.70)	£100.00	(£15.70)
Week 7	(£83.60)	£180.00	£96.40
Week 8	(£84.70)	£90.00	£5.30
Week 9	(£135.40)	£120.00	(£15.40)
Week 10
Totals	(£878.88)	£1,090.00
Over all profit	£211.12