AOB works for one set of owners at Ballydoyle. It is no surprise he trains so many winners because the owners have the best horses. It is a bit like saying Joseph was the best jockey in Ireland. Complete rubbish.

Movewiththetimes07 Jul 20 14:36Joined: 21 Mar 12 | Topic/replies: 1,899 | Blogger: Movewiththetimes's blog
Serpentine (Morning price: 25/1 20/1 22/1 25/1 28/1 25/1 22/1)
(Ring price: 22/1 20/1 18/1 22/1 25/1 22/1 25/1 28/1 25/1) SP 25/1


A small bet from the coolmore operation (10 grand eachway) surely would of moved it

i seem to remember it was 16/1-20/1 with books midweek so they did very well to get 25/1, bet they are still laughing at that price they got, the really shrewd operators get it under the radar and as a smoke screen bet a few to confuse, they could get more of a kick out of this winning betting game for smaller returns as they have more than enough from breeding and must get a bit boring winning everything. if some have ever been successful betting you will know its not how much you won but how you plotted it up and knowing you out foxed the market thats the real high not how much

By the same logic then lester must have been an awful jockey for only being able to win 30 classics as he was often on the best horse or had a choice of them, im sure aiden with over 90 european classic winners must be worried that hes not getting it right, some crap posted on this forum.

Lester only rode one horse in each race AOB runs any number. I wonder how many Derby's Lester would have won if he rode 6 in each race.

It's simple if you think Moore is in Lester's class and Adian is in Sir Henry Cecil's class then you're reading the game all wrong.

thats sad for me, g hall, but youre correct they just want to win and dont care which horse , they just throw darts, coolmore  quantity factory  rather than quality,

The sheer financial clout of Coolmore means that they can throw as many darts as they like in the big races.

How many trainers can realistically go to an owner and tell them that a horse that's just broken his maiden at the 3rd time of asking the week before should be entered in The Derby (£10k this year I believe).

One of his horses (Order of Australia) that ran in both the Irish and French Derbys (with credit admittedly) is now a 4 race losing maiden, two of which were classics!

If you rocked up to an average owner and asked him to shell out the money to do that they would think you were nuts.

The Irish derby this year was arguably the worst classic ever seen, with the winner a G2 winner, the second a maiden winner and the 3rd and 4th maidens!

Coolmore do not splash out in sales unless to improve their breeding portfolio or create interest to shore up the prices of their produce at the sales; they produce their own in abundance, and competitive and superior their produce are too. As such, they can afford to throw as many darts as necessary to win. But, they will not run their top filly against their Derby winner except in The Arc, the most prestigious on the planet, in my opinion.

Until Love wins The Arc she cannot be put in the same category as Minding who was a prolific miler, only surpassed by Almanzor over 10f. But, she'd be if running and beating Enable in the King George at Ascot.

yes
you are a fool.
thanks for opening your mouth and confirming it. 

I would think brigust has forgotten more, than most of us have learned.

Some points from above. I think Heffernan being based in the yard much be a massive bonus compared to Moore, even more this year. I cannot imagine Ryan Moore has been near Coolmore since February. It does appear that Ryan Moore has first option, he is stable jockey after all, but the 'scraps' on offer to the others, in other stables, these horses would be their No. 1s, by a country mile. If it was me, I'd want my no. 1 stable jockey in my stable most days, as part of the team. Still think Johnny Murtagh was the best arrangement they had with a jockey they had as No. 1.

I think with Coolmore it is all about winning Group 1s. Lower Group races are stepping stones to these races.

I always got the impression, going back to Aiden's NH days, that it was very much a partnership between him and Mrs Aiden. She was McCartney to his Lennon. I could be entirely wrong on that point but that was the perception to me. The icing on the cake has been Gailileo. I said in another thread, they would probably still have enjoyed tremendous success without this Sire, but with him, it has been off the charts. Galileo is now 22 and won't be around forever. Can they maintain all this? Probably, but by no means a certainty.

I agree if you are an Ante post punter, it must be a nightmare, thinking ahead to the Classics.

You don't race against timeform, you race against other horses. Its about winning races. The ones behind the recent winners must be really crap as well then. Still it's the same outcome, they are head and shoulders above everyone else.

I think the trainers over here are more scared of the runners from AOB/Coolmore than the punters here trying to guess which of AOB/Coolmore would be their most probable winner.

I think AOB has too many top class horses, he cannot give them the attention they deserve. The shotgun approach is not working. Australia should not have been beaten. Hawk Wing should not have been beaten. Look at Zoffany finished 2nd in the St James Palace to Frankel beating Excelebration and Dream Ahead. Excelebration and Dream Ahead went on to win three Gr1's each yet Zoffany won diddly squat.

That's crazy, surely? Had he won more he would be charging more? That's the real win. You win more you get more. Underachieving is never the aim of a breeder.

Its because he gets perfectly bred horses because of his dad is. His dad is very modest when they go on about him being a Genius, because he is that smart to relaise that he has the arsenal at hid disposal that no other does!!

I go racing a lot (when allowed!!). I don't miss many meetings at Newmarket and have horses in training so travel around a fair bit. I probably go racing a couple of times a week in the season and a few times a month on the all weather. I can honestly say that no other trainer comes anywhere near to impressing me as much as AOB. I spend most of my time at the paddock and any will tell you that AOB's are out first every time and walked for 1/2 - 3/4 hr before racing and he has been doing this for years and years. They always look settled even though  they have just flown/travelled in from Ireland and even if  they are on their toes or walking a bit short by the time they leave the pre parade they are settled and stretching well. No other trainers do it, I don't give a fudge what any one else tells you they don't.  There are never any dramas with him or his team and no one is ever rushing around. I have never heard any of them moan about anything even when the triple crown was lost to a drug cheat horse. This team gets lots of horses ready for racing week in week out and rarely do we hear of their good horses getting injured (unlike Darley Military March injured Quorto dead). The idea that anyone can compare this guy to trainers from the past to try and dis him is a joke. If people who post on here really knew what it takes to get these horses to the track and perform week in week out they would only admire him and his team.

Sorry, Honcho but you are completely wrong. Firstly you are talking about a team where money is no object. Few trainers are in that position and those that are have produced more from their horses than AOB has.
But the main reason I think they are bad for racing is they have the ability to cheat as long as they gain. So when you know they have that ability how do you know when they are being honest?

I see nothing about them that racing gains from, absolutely nothing.

brigust1 • July 10, 2020 9:53 PM BST
Sorry, Honcho but you are completely wrong. Firstly you are talking about a team where money is no object.

I would have said money was the objective for Coolmore..... they don't do it for the fun of it.


Darley on the other hand money is no objective and all they did in the 90's was buy Sadlers wells offspring, all they did in the naughties/teens was not buy Galileo's offspring.


Are the Darley boys that bad at picking good horses to win classics that they let Coolmore do what they want, in the sales ring and at the breeding sheds?


Not too sure if there was foal share arrangements, but Australia was bought at auction, Camelot, Wings of Eagles, Was, Forever Together, Leading Light, Magna Grecia, Footstepinthesand