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if they can win group1s in their first year its simply the horses nothing to do with training them, gods are vincent, henry and fabre .
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Everyone knows there's 3 gods in one.
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Galileo,Galileo .
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it kinda helps when Seamie was obviously told only win if Donnacha isn't going to!
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Well said,Elisjohn.
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Give all Aiden's two year olds to a small trainer. John Berry, Phil McEntee and see how they do with them.
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you pay millions for horses you win big races would like to see him train a 10grand horse just a trainer that buys success
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The problem I have with AOB being the best ever trainer is the of ammo he has access too, group races like the one Military Style was in yesterday are the interesting ones. Sent off 4/9F never looked like winning at any stage, now even if I could of picked 6 of his horses to throw in that Group 3 race I guess I would of got the winner.
I would love to know the stats where AOB in group races only had one runner and what percentage he's won. |
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It just bores me. I pray someone else wins when he has got runners in classic races. Must be a few others who feel the same.
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@clacton -- giving Coolmore's blueboods to smaller trainers has been tried and failed.
David Wachman (aka Coolmore boss John Magnier's son-in-law) did land a few Group 1s but could not match Aidan, and eventually Wachman handed back his licence. |
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People also forget AOB was Ireland's top National Hunt trainer long before he was signed up by Coolmore for Ballydoyle and the Flat.
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John Durkan discovered Istrabraq sad he would only still be 53 if he were alive today, where's those 22 years gone
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It just bores me. I pray someone else wins when he has got runners in classic races. Must be a few others who feel the same.--- I think you are just a little envious. The trainers you mentioned in your previous post (both really nice guys) really couldn't do what AOB does. And the obvious reason his sons are having such a good start is that they learned from him.
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well said elisjohn
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A'OB let him, little present to his son to carry on the legacy, did the same with J'OB was winning a fair few decent races when starting
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Good post truehoncho
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He's no Charlie Mc Bride .
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He's no Charlie Mc Bride .
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Let him train a few handicappers bought for a few thousand at the Horses in Training sales instead of a stable full of the best bred animals in the world.
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What none sense is that Clacton. You could say that about any big trainer but thats not what their business is. Big trainers business is winning group 1's with well bred horses and he does it best of all. So you think these little trainers that consistently can't get anywhere is just because of the horses. If you are any good you can get on in this sport. That doesn't mean that if you are born with a silver spoon in your mouth it isn't easier but there are plenty of decent horses sold for cheap money at the sales. My experience is these trainers don't get anywhere because they are not good enough. It's not all about conditioning horses, you need to be able to identify good ones and nurture your owners into buying better horses. And how many of these small owners are in the spotlight week in week out and have every decision analysed and their personal life under scrutiny and still keep getting winners every week. Some of the trainers mentioned on here would certainly struggle with that. Train handicappers from the sales??????? oh yeah he must be crap.
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Get all the best bred and send 6 or 7 to every classic.
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AOB is either a genius for getting a group one out of japan or useless for getting him beat in half a dozen more,
the one in eclipse yesterday got a group one in ozz,theres that many group ones around the world,theyve trhat many horses and that much money they,ll all fall in to one eventually,because of their numbers,owners and trheir breeding operation the biggest thing they have going for them is unlike other trainers they arnt afraid of losing as long as they get their group one eventually for the shed operation |
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But yet at the big meetings when the serious money is down, they win.
People need to look at the mans career before Coolmore. |
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Could have thrown up listening to the bloke on ATR(sky sports) this morning, him and fitzy eulogising about what a marvellous achievement it was for a 21 yo to train a classic winner in his 1st season, f@ck me him and his brother have had everything laid on a plate for them.
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easier to place the colts when as yet no one no,s the pecking order, throw enough shoite,etc, be more interesting how he now campaign,s,trains LOVE when all the world no,s /thinks he,s a superstar
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you lose track of time but it wasn't that many years ago when all the stats men,ruk,racing post etc were running articles on AOB,S dismal record in derby compared to the amount of runners he had and how bad his tactics were,didnt he have 50 odd runners unplaced during this period
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love will go st leger route imo, obrien desperate for the triple crown, will certainly be kept away from enable, and as i say again, love beat trees last saturday, and nothing much better in the gns,
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that's where it gets tricky but he couldn't rely on her on her own in leger in case she doesnt stay where as Santiago,serpentine have or look certain to stay
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wow this is interesting
Don't suppose Cecil marrying Noel Murless daughter had anything with him getting training for top owners. Or AOB marrying Joe Crowleys daughter had anything to do with him. They got the start and took advantage of it. Charles/David O'Brien had it on a plate and couldn't do it or keep doing it. Fozzy Stack not tearing up trees with training, |
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cant remember henry or fabre training too many cheap handicappers
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In the last 11 years AOB has saddled just the one runner in 62 Group Races odds between 10/11 and 7/1, with a strike rate of 27.42 percent showing a profit of 12.75 points oo Bfsp, including 2/3 in 2020 to date, including Circus Maximus and Love.
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Fair play TT, thats a good post.
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The Coolmore operation has the best bred horses and a very talented trainer, and their whole MO is winning Group 1 races and perpetuating a successful breeding operation. All very admirable, totally professional and brilliantly executed - but unfortunately for racing fans brought up in the latter part of the 20th century when the Derby was everything, it's become boring. I have a friend who threw a few quid at Serpentine because "it would just be typical of them to win with a no hoper". When betting on the Derby is reduced to that mentality, then I for one will be looking elsewhere for entertainment. Its great for Coolmore, bad for the sport.
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Still think English King will be top rated 3 year old at end of season.
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agree, and at least they wont be winning the july cup
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other than putting the money up for the usual suspects,what really is the point in running dante,musidora this week
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Why does O'Brien need to run so many in every classic. Are the owners greedy and want to win all the prize money or does the trainer have no idea which is the best one, so he runs the lot.
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