Not about to see these run tomorrow...

3:15 Sandown Soldier In Action
5:40 Nottingham Gold Merlion (£5)
7:40 Nottingham Comedy School (£15)
8:00 Carlisle Lonely The Brave (£15)

I should have been clearer *1 turf run at 3

I suppose like Ravenhoe last year at Beverley (over the same 7 1/2f as Chupalla yesterday) that hadn't placed for 12 runs and not won since a brace of 5f events at 2 and not gone beyond 6f, they had no idea that the horse would have a great chance dropped in grade and upped in trip. won at industry 11/1.

The difference yesterday was the timeline gaps in the CV hinting at obvious issues, it was pretty hard to have confidence that the horse was going to be in good shape despite the other factors making it a huge danger IF all was well with the horse especially at a track where countless horses have come back to form with different conditions, nearly always going up to new trips.

I've said plenty of times I just don't think the market has much of a handle on a lot of the yard's runners and this season with big priced unraced novice winners and now yesterday's big priced Beverley winner I'm even more inclined to believe this.

Knowing a yard has an MO is different to making an automatic profit on it's runners but the MO is pretty damn obvious with the bulk of it's runners. The dart chucking seems to be labelled more because many punters can't get their heads round horses drastic performance changes when seeing new conditions. If you have the mindset that horses unplaced btn 5-10l or even further can't come into their own over more optimum conditions then you are going to have a massive problem with this yard.

I know statistically a lot of the MO's with the class/distance/number of runs/official rating progression/time of year/prize money are too strong to reasonably not be put down to a repeated MO by the yard year in year out. Again just because you know what they like to do it doesn't mean you still don't have to make judgements like you always have to with any trainer.This season has been very frustrating so far, the recent run is just something that happens just being on the wrong side of results too often but I need to firmly put any market paranoia to bed for starters. A lot of the unexposed runners will run big races at prices.

It should be pretty hard to have that bad a time following a few simple rules with this yard (though I'm managing to accomplish this so far)  but consistency of approach is something I need to sort out and becoming timid through a lack of confidence can lead to carnage when 3 or 4 winners are missed in a day.

Finally I've got to stop worrying about the shorter priced runners slipping through, usually no one is bothered by horses you haven't done but the nature of this  thread is that some days 3 or more short priced winners can go in and I'll be on none of them, that's just the way it is. Though in certain situations his shorter ones have still been profitable over time it's mostly not the case for me so that's just how it is.

Anyway I'm out for the day so gl to everyone in their punting.

Late getting down to form study today as I'm nursing a bit of a hangover from birthday celebrations, plus I had to go to work for a few hours this morning Anyway, had a bit on Seyaady 2.15 Bev. Been through the Sandown card, looked at Oriental Fox, but I've passed on that one.

Had some on Peach Melba @ 7-2. See they've backed it, possibly because Egan (who I'm not keen on normally) is on a hat-trick. I'm with se and on Comedy School.

*Town Charter today not Comedy School

I must have just beat you to it

Yes onlooker it takes an age for me too recently often 5 mins+

Town Charter becoming frustrating, probably a galloping 7f is the trip as settled much better on the front than may have been the case but didn't appear to get home off quite an easy lead.

Cape smashed in

If you spelt it right you could search it

King George 29/7 ?

Today's runner Noble Manners has no positives regarding a still mdn runner in a nursery, the record is far better with a change to a new distance for this sort.

PJ though has been put on a lot of 2yo winners and perhaps being the only runner of the day too is a sign of intent (though nothing to back this up with the results).

Be interesting who gets on these nurseries this year SDS and PJ been hitting good strike rates with the yard's 2yo's.

* Meehan's not Ellison's

and Meehan's just been pulled

GL Striding

8:40 bath Gloriosus

SDS gets transformations out of these sheikh horses well btn last time, lots of ?? in race.

Will certainly keep going till Goodwood.

Thursday

2:25 Newmarket (J) Cardsharp
3:00 Newmarket (J) Poets Society
3:45 Carlisle Storm Cry (£30)

waste of time following this trainer judging by the results, with the added info you are using about the trainer,the results are diabolical. as has been mentioned there's still plenty of time to turn things around. maybe w haggis would be a decent trainer
to follow for a thread of this kind next year. goodluck

3.00 Newmarket. I'm guessing James Doyle isn't on poets society because he can't do the weight? Also Norton is on Love Dreams. Surely he must have had the pick of the two?

You may be right dibdob (certainly right about Doyle with weight), if Poets hadn't have won that class 4 last time though had plenty of racing, coming here with that york effort in the same grade would have been very strong profile wise.

Love Dreams looks raw and thus far has been 1 dimensional point and shoot runner, I just prefer Poets today because despite all the runs, on turf only 3 at this distance and the last one at the distance was the sort of effort you'd want to see, just might be a bit more savvy for this task at this stage but of course it is very competitive as expected for such a prize.

For me I've seen plenty this season to suggest a big field and a galloping 6f is now a good fit for Poets Society, I wouldn't discount 7 at some stage.

Tomorrow is that race from last year come round again (ode to evening, yard won it 4 times on the bounce). At first glance I likes the look of Monticello.

Beardwood is very strong profile wise but running at the graveyard (York!) From a really strong sample generally york gave figs of 0-36, it pretty much sinks any positive.

GO on Cardy