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By:
PHS
When: 14 Jul 17 15:39
I backed SiA when it ran badly at AscSad. Thought it won with a bit in hand at Epsom.
By:
stridingedge
When: 14 Jul 17 15:44
Certainly did and last run was a screamer with the other top weight in the race the only one ahead.

106 is tough

You couldn't discount 1m6f this season at some point, looked like getting swamped last run after being near the pace and then stayed on again.

I think could do with a bit of a drop now but is bound to run its race in races like today's so not likely to happen.
By:
stridingedge
When: 14 Jul 17 15:47
Earlier in the season I thought if they got it down to around mid 90's, it would be a massive threat in one of the big valuable class 2's ie 40k plus.

Would be a hell of an achievement to beat rivals that have probably been shrewdly placed in such races from here in off the current mark now this season.
By:
PHS
When: 14 Jul 17 15:52
Quite soon after the hard race it had at Haydock last week and you wouldn't think the sharp track at Mus would suit either.
By:
stridingedge
When: 14 Jul 17 15:59
Hope Fire fighting is ok

Keep looking for entries but nothing.

Placed this horse brilliantly.
By:
stridingedge
When: 14 Jul 17 16:01
Obviously could be some winners rest of the day and particularly later this evening but I'm not too enthused at prices.

The usual Saturday slog fest to sort out Cry

Gl to DB and mcCoy with their selections later Wink
By:
PHS
When: 14 Jul 17 16:47
Hochfeld was impressive last time (3:35 Ches) but Beckett's could be tough to beat.
By:
equine flew
When: 14 Jul 17 19:36
Agonising for PermianCry
By:
McCoy Carp
When: 14 Jul 17 19:39
Cool
By:
tips
When: 14 Jul 17 19:40
jaysus wish they all could work out like thatHappy
By:
McCoy Carp
When: 14 Jul 17 19:41
Shrugged off 82
By:
stridingedge
When: 14 Jul 17 20:00
2yo stock improving, nurseries a bit of a struggle for much of last decade but higher rated horses going in a lot more often in them now.

That romped in McCoy Grin

ul DB and Permian backers Cry, gave everything again on the track.
By:
dibdob
When: 14 Jul 17 20:14
It's a shame  sheikh hamdans good horses like Permian which nearly always give you run for your money get moved on to godolphin, the middle east or sold to Aus.

Imagine having a dozen or so older horses like this to follow every season with MJ.

Speaking of good horses which  always give you run for your money. Whats happened to fire fighting ?
By:
stridingedge
When: 14 Jul 17 20:15
I asked that very same question earlier on here Shocked
By:
stridingedge
When: 14 Jul 17 20:17
I've got Bear Valley as a decent shout tomorrow but Egan on top and SDS on the class riser Cape Coast, not a chance in a race like this SDS is going to be on the wrong one imo.
By:
PHS
When: 14 Jul 17 20:29
That looks a very difficult race. CC impressed last time, but any of a number could win.
By:
stridingedge
When: 14 Jul 17 21:15
Yes they are usually competitive races on a saturday in this grade, it is actually 10lb lower on average ratings than the Royal Ascot race though and Bear Valley shaped well in that first run over the distance.

Would nearly always prefer a horse that has put in a recent run like that in the grade than one trying to jump a couple of grades into a 2.
By:
stridingedge
When: 14 Jul 17 21:16
Will have another look tomorrow, I'm sure there is a decent hcp for Bear valley over this sort of trip but I can't see it being with SDS on the other, Perhaps CC is  thought to be improving fast.

Ineteresting
By:
stridingedge
When: 14 Jul 17 21:16
*interesting even
By:
stridingedge
When: 14 Jul 17 21:39
Would nearly always prefer a horse that has put in a recent run like that in the grade than one trying to jump a couple of grades into a 2.

But just looking at very unexposed horses runs wise ( 4 or less) doing this hcp jump winning lto, from a very small sample figs are actually 3-7. I knew You don't see the jump successful too often with 3yo's but discounting the most unexposed ones actually isn't a sound idea looking at the limited evidence.

I actually loathe saturday's, Not enough time to look at everything properly, pretty horrendous.

And see my chum Highly Sprung is out tomorrow evening after that awful Bath effort. This is one horse that should sluice up soon and is now weighted such that 2 wins should be possible, all wins on fast ground (so not an issue last time). Will probably have to follow this one a few times.
By:
gibs
When: 14 Jul 17 23:38
I'm probably barking right up the wrong tree here, as the only sprint hcap winners I back seem to be at York but I fancy Yalta to make all tomorrow
By:
gibs
When: 14 Jul 17 23:38
I'm probably barking right up the wrong tree here, as the only sprint hcap winners I back seem to be at York but I fancy Yalta to make all tomorrow
By:
gibs
When: 14 Jul 17 23:39
twice..
By:
jon b
When: 15 Jul 17 13:33
3 times gibs, I like that one too
By:
jon b
When: 15 Jul 17 13:34
bloody n/r boo
By:
stridingedge
When: 15 Jul 17 14:42
Masham Star probably could have done without the +3 for not winning

class 2's on saturday always tough

top weights in these 3yo only hcps that ran in same class lto 6-14 +£25.87, 1.86 expected

small sample but interesting given how tough these races are
By:
stridingedge
When: 15 Jul 17 14:47
Perhaps just too exposed at weights now?

Going to leave this one, is a real marginal job though.
By:
PHS
When: 15 Jul 17 14:49
Yep! There's always at least one that will still be well handicapped in these 3yo Hcps. Looks up against it.
By:
stridingedge
When: 15 Jul 17 14:49
Actually I've got that horrible feeling when a few have won i've left at decent prices so u turn

2:50 Newmarket (j) Masham Star 11.0
By:
stridingedge
When: 15 Jul 17 14:51
You are probably right PHS fingers crossed

I'd be absolutely gutted if he did win.

If any of these less exposed come up they are definitely ones to back in future.

none of them top weight winners won lto
By:
stridingedge
When: 15 Jul 17 14:54
gallant effort but no cigar
By:
PHS
When: 15 Jul 17 14:56
Nope but only one was too good. Pointer to Sutter County in the Bunbury? Surely not?
By:
PHS
When: 15 Jul 17 14:57
Do you put a lay up IR?
By:
stridingedge
When: 15 Jul 17 15:02
Looks badly handicapped to me PHS

that Goodwood race was a bit of a gift pace wise on the front and it hasn't thrown up anything yet

pretty confident leave when i looked last night
By:
PHS
When: 15 Jul 17 15:04
^Except for the Britannia winnerGrin
By:
stridingedge
When: 15 Jul 17 15:05
No PHS I'm leaving all these in running, the stakes are small.

You are right with the logic about bumping into 1 now, but if MJ's runner is less exposed under the conditions listed then He's as good as anyone at placing them in the class 2's.
By:
stridingedge
When: 15 Jul 17 15:07
yeah britannia winner running over the wrong trip at Goodwood (right trip obviously really that day Laugh as a prelim to Ascot)
By:
stridingedge
When: 15 Jul 17 15:10
Just noticed this is the 1st run with the allowance though in a 3yo+ Shocked
By:
PHS
When: 15 Jul 17 15:35
Well left. Two winners today from that big York 7f Hcp a few weeks ago; Viscount Barfield (the winner) and the Bunbury winner (4th).
By:
madhatters
When: 15 Jul 17 15:37
Looks like we following the Bear Stride
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