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By:
DAN1974
When: 20 Apr 17 12:50
Nope, nothing catches my eye today from MJ, theres some interesting Gosden and Fahey runners though Cool
By:
dibdob
When: 20 Apr 17 12:53
Rich And Famous an interesting runner for me today. First run since being gelded after disappointing at the Rockingham last year. Won here well from the front on the July Course. But it's the debut run is the one that stands out for me. Second by a length to a horse now rated 113 and beat another horse rated 110.

Running off 86 today and I'm convinced this horse is much better than that. May back it later depending on how it looks, but also like the Palmers or Burrows horses which are available at a bigger prices.
By:
McCoy Carp
When: 20 Apr 17 12:56
I've backed Rich And famous today @ 13-2 today as I base my selections on Proform and they have it top rated on their Racecard with a tissue price of 7-2. Pros, course form, ground ok and likely to lead, which was probably the deciding factor for me as I love front runners and the course pace bias stats show they run better than expected, and more importantly show a profit. Trainer/jockey combination @ course 8 from 26, just under 31%. Negatives? Obviously blew out last time & been gelded since. Not been seen for 184 days but not particularly worried about that. Also: Trainer 1st Run in a Handicap (Turf) 195 winners(exp 219)from 1576 (12.37%) p&l £-231.17 BSP. This worries me, but all in all @ the price I'll have a dabble and I'll play my money up if the layers are willing to offer me 13-2 or better BSP on the exchange.
By:
stridingedge
When: 20 Apr 17 13:00
If you want an old wives type type picking cystern today...

3yo Flat hcps on a thursday in the month of April making their turf reappearances.

14-35 winners since 2008 in an often quiet tim eof the season for these runners in general Shocked

today would be (1:50 rich and famous,storm cry),(4:30 white tower)

The 4:30 race was interesting as it's a small field with a once raced fav taking a big chunk of the market.MJ could have a line on fahey's runner through masham star and MJ has taken this race 3 times in the last 10 running's.

My gut feeling was that storm cry and rich and famous will be seen to better effect a bit later in the season over a longer trip.
By:
stridingedge
When: 20 Apr 17 13:05
The main negs i had for the 1:50 was the terrible record of the yard in this class of hcp in the early season (march/april) looks pretty significant to me that a lot of these runners are getting some cobwebs blown more than anything else.

Would never see the listed/group drop back into hcp company for these 3yo's a positive either on the data i have looked at though sample sizes aren't large.

Just got a general feeling about this race but am obviously going to get some of these calls wrong over the season.

gl you guys having a pop today Wink
By:
dibdob
When: 20 Apr 17 13:50
Not much late money for rich and famous. Akhlaaq looks the bet
By:
McCoy Carp
When: 20 Apr 17 14:03
Very frustrating. 3 bets so far, Election Day, The Blues Master and this one & 3 seconds Sad
By:
madhatters
When: 20 Apr 17 14:45
Some good stats Rip Stride
By:
breadnbutter
When: 20 Apr 17 14:47

Apr 20, 2017 -- 12:50PM, DAN1974 wrote:


Nope, nothing catches my eye today from MJ, theres some interesting Gosden and Fahey runners though


that statement must cover a dozen horses easily Laugh

SE ,you sayed you could take or leave the blues master ,kindo leaves it open to an aftertime imo if it had won ,just saying .

Why not put emm up as lays or backs ? one or tother ,shirley if them is too short they is a lay ?

By:
stridingedge
When: 20 Apr 17 14:48
I thought i'd died and noone had told me Shocked

don't view it as a course yard is great at tbh with what i look at hatters

has introduced a few debutantes there and the **** of the north hcp has been targeted but not for me today
By:
stridingedge
When: 20 Apr 17 14:49
no chance breadnbutter

you'll know if i put one up i won't say things like that

you do seem to have a way with you, cantankerous Laugh
By:
stridingedge
When: 20 Apr 17 14:52
The blues master is obviously in the same group and It will be no surprise at all if it wins again but I'm pretty sure over the season I'm not going to be ahead at this sort of price/profile of runner so will let this one through, obviously hope it does the business for those on and with doubles.

4:00 Beverley Election Day: current price 8.0
By:
stridingedge
When: 20 Apr 17 14:55
2yo just beaten by an sp 132.0 Shocked
By:
madhatters
When: 20 Apr 17 14:56
Combo got good stats Grin
By:
Virgin
When: 20 Apr 17 15:00
Has now Shocked Mad
By:
madhatters
When: 20 Apr 17 15:03
They were red hot before V
Now gone ballistic Grin
By:
stridingedge
When: 20 Apr 17 15:06
a few probably backed thatr around 20.0 earlier and had given up

when a winner feels like a loser Shocked
By:
dibdob
When: 20 Apr 17 16:05
Looks like another second with Final Angry
By:
Latalomne
When: 20 Apr 17 16:09
Final was scrubbed along the whole way.  Looks like it wants about 3 miles.
By:
1st time poster
When: 20 Apr 17 16:14
trying to figure out MJ,S yard must be akin to applying to be  a kamakize pilot, you no how its all going to finish in the end, Devil
By:
stridingedge
When: 20 Apr 17 16:15
never found another trainer with a decent sample size where you can actually see what the plan is with a lot of his runners Laugh

keep churning out the cliches though 1TP
By:
DAN1974
When: 20 Apr 17 16:18
i have dutched the two in the 4.30, the fav has been drifting all day so there obviously isnt much confidence in him.

having said that he will probably hose up now Laugh
By:
stridingedge
When: 20 Apr 17 16:22
I'm worried about leaving it DAN i must admit, the horses have mainly been running well!

the runners haven't the profile of his other winners of this race. (as noted earlier yard has won this 3 times in last 10 seasons)

LCT has had plenty of racing, the usual class 5's into 3's in races like this wouldn't have seen anywhere near this amount of runs in their careers in a 3yo race

white tower actually more likely for me of the two, a cape cross fast ground up in trip
By:
stridingedge
When: 20 Apr 17 16:25
the pair have just flip flopped
By:
DAN1974
When: 20 Apr 17 16:26
there certainly been plenty of market movement in the race Shocked
By:
stridingedge
When: 20 Apr 17 16:27
I score them on profiles and neither had enough pts

always dodgy market vibes this time of year with the layoffs and returners

gl anyway DAN, there's no doubt I will let some slip through over the season Wink
By:
DAN1974
When: 20 Apr 17 16:33
GrinCoolHappy
By:
stridingedge
When: 20 Apr 17 16:34
Wd Dan Wink
By:
themover
When: 20 Apr 17 16:34
20-Apr-17
16:20:57    16:30 Ripon
La Casa Tarifa - Each Way
Betfair Bet ID 1:90646955517 | Matched: 20-Apr-17 16:20:57    Back    9.80

Cool
By:
DAN1974
When: 20 Apr 17 16:35
the favourite wants some cut in the ground i think with the action hes got
By:
Virgin
When: 20 Apr 17 16:37
LA CASA TARIFA not an obvious one ... how would you pick from his other runner Mischief
By:
Virgin
When: 20 Apr 17 16:38
wd Dan Cool
By:
McCoy Carp
When: 20 Apr 17 16:38
Frickin typical, I'm on Devil's Bridge @ 12-1. Really going through it at the moment, no winners in the last 20 bets and stuck on (unlucky) 13 winners for the month Sad
By:
madhatters
When: 20 Apr 17 17:44
Off & running Stride
Fanny & Hcps Grin
By:
stridingedge
When: 20 Apr 17 17:52
Only 1 hcp race tomorrow a 4 runner race at bath then nothing over the weekend Shocked
By:
DAN1974
When: 20 Apr 17 19:06
This filly is interesting at bath tomorrow, i wouldn't normally dream of backing the only filly in a mixed race but if you dig deep enough you can find some strong stats for her profile, also a bit worried that she didnt improve much last time out, maybe just keep an eye on the market and wait and see.
By:
DAN1974
When: 21 Apr 17 20:43
I managed to resist backing fiendish tonight mainly due to her drifting all day and strong support for the fav, can't believe MJ has no runners tomorrow.Sad
By:
deadbrain59
When: 22 Apr 17 00:21
double trigger was a good horse.
By:
stridingedge
When: 23 Apr 17 20:36
3 runners at ponty on monday...

There have been 4 novice races here to date and MJ has had a runner in each with 3 managing to score including mailshot who was runner up in the same race as Ventura knight at southwell before coming on to score here.Teofonic was another decent sort whom I'm sure they are hoping for more this season at 3 that managed to take a novice event here last season on it's 2nd run so there's every chance a big run is expected from monday's entrant.Fahey seems to have targeted this track with 2yo debutantes in the mdn events in the past.He took this race last year with a once raced animal springwood.Fahey has made a blistering start with his 2yo debutantes and in novice races the first time out record has gone from 5-45 to 10-56 with 5 winners in this bracket already this season, he must be respected at this track be it mdn or novice company.

Kevin Ryan is also capable of getting one ready early here at the track and as always any support would be interesting

We also have 2 divisions of a mile hcp in the final 2 races on the card.Miss Danby in the 5:10 runs again over a mile after a decent effort on the tapeta at Newcastle in a class 6 event. I wouldn't be surprised if he had his supporters but I actually like the look of the runner in the 2nd division (5:40).

Pennington to me looks like a horse that will need at least a mile this season and will hopefully like so many have strengthened up a bit over the winter.Despite the worry I have of a change in emphasis possibly with these 3yo handicappers early in the season (last seasons 2-30 for April was the worst performance since 2004 in this category),this one has tempted me tomorrow. The run following the drop down in trip at chelmsford will have put many off, he never got into the race at any stage held up there and I think there's a good chance the conditions just weren't optimum.I'm never too worried with this hunch if they are beaten a fair way lto for this yard.The previous mdn run  over the mile at Haydock earlier in the same month (October) was much more promising in the context of tomorrow's contest and I think a return to it on a stiffer track with the ponty finish should be a better fit.

The real sweet spot with these unexposed 3yo's in the lower class races is undoubtedly horses trying the distance for the first time after a few runs having not managed to get their heads in front in the 2yo campaigns.There does appear to be quite a difference also (relatively small samples admittedly) between horses that are seeing a trip change from the last run with 1-33 of these returning to turf as 3yo's that are either racing over the same or within 1/2 furlong distance in trip from their last outing. The same subset of runners that are seeing a furlong or greater difference in trip on this return run to turf as 3yo's see a record of 19-68.Pennington fits the latter group and also is remaining in the same class which put together makes me more willing to give it a chance at the prices on profiles. (14/1 currently)

There will be far stronger picks on profiles and ones I have note booked through the season but I'm willing to play Pennington tomorrow.

5:40 Pontefract Pennington, current price 14/1
By:
deadbrain59
When: 23 Apr 17 22:41
14 days +28 lay £1 stake
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