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By:
verbotene liebe
When: 07 Mar 17 22:03
Ronnie set me off and I  got carried away, It was definitely a Ryan Price/ B Taylor/Demetrious combination. Romani was one of the words.Other word also began with R. Think it won the Windsor Castle. Sainsbury's Languedoc I'm afraid.
By:
KiddyKid
When: 07 Mar 17 22:14
Was it Romeo Romani
By:
verbotene liebe
When: 07 Mar 17 22:19
Kiidy Kid , hats off to you, saved my blushes . Won Norfolk Stakes FTO in 79. Ronnie Rails right all along.
By:
KiddyKid
When: 07 Mar 17 22:25
Ive worked in yards we had some of his off spring.
By:
blackbarn
When: 07 Mar 17 22:29
Well done chaps. Romeo Romani - Norfolk stakes first time out.  People forget (Well Lord Oaksey never did) just what a great flat trainer Captain Henry Ryan Price was.  My Uncle Jack was convinced he only took up training flat racers to prove to the Jockey Club that he was a "proper" trainer. I met him several times, although as a kid/teen, he was never less than gracious, although a bit intimidating.
By:
ronnie rails
When: 07 Mar 17 22:34
thirty eight years ago I must be getting old
sweet dreams
regards
ronnie
By:
NORTH BERWICK
When: 07 Mar 17 23:29
Some great names from the past.  Major Ivan Straker.
By:
Happy Valley
When: 08 Mar 17 07:46
yes some great names. I had jotted down Pell-Mell partners but I see Alices has just beaten me to the draw.

Ken Higson is a shocking omission imo. I hope he is still with us.

Sheikh Ali Abu Khamsin came and went over jumps and what about Peter Bolton (!) who was the original developer of Whitsbury Manor Stud where Elsie trained, though I seem to recall Nick Mitchell was the first retained trainer.

And generally this wonderful thread reminds me of Robert Sangsters remark that "The best way to make a small fortune out of racing is to start with a big one."
By:
isleham
When: 08 Mar 17 08:22
Geoff Hubbard won a Hennessy on long priced nag..May have beaten Jodami(off top of my head) with latter carrying no weight
By:
ribero1
When: 08 Mar 17 08:31
Sibton Abbey?
By:
workrider
When: 08 Mar 17 09:29
Michael Smurfitt,used too be one of Welds biggest owners,hardly ever see a horse run in his colours,they also used too sponsor the Champion Hurdle under the Kappa banner.
By:
Aviboyd
When: 08 Mar 17 10:13
Mollers Racing, loved those colours...
By:
workrider
When: 08 Mar 17 10:20
Yes Avilboyd,Aramanda a flying machine.
By:
onlooker
When: 08 Mar 17 10:20
blackbarn 07 Mar 17 21:08 

Well done ged - you are as close as is reasonable... Emerald Green, Royal Blue sleeves, White cap with Green (but not Emerald Green) spots on cap. The colours are still registered.

Actually if you play around with the colours you can get very close with a set that are still/now available. Cool
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THAT - has already been done.

Massive National Hunt owner - David Johnson - he of Martin Pipe fame ...

Simply swapped the Green body and Blue sleeves around - whilst retaining the White Cap with Green Spots.

He obviously was looking for some of Sangster's luck to rub off on him. Happy
By:
Happy Valley
When: 08 Mar 17 10:30
the mollers died, i do believe
By:
ged
When: 08 Mar 17 11:59
As for Harry Demetriou, his first horse was, I think, Latin Melody, who finished 3rd in the Queen Mary in 1972. She was trained by Sam Armstrong in his last year of training, and also gave his son Robert his first winner as a trainer when winning as a 3yo at Warwick in April 1973. That may have been Harry's first winner too.

He then had a few with Clive Brittain, including Olympic Casino (Harry was, of course, a Greek, who owned casinos), and Sportsky. The latter tried hurdling with Ron Smyth, but returned to Brittain to run on the flat.

It was in 1977, I think, that Demetriou began to have his horses trained by Ryan Price, including the first offspring of Latin Melody, Nelbi (who's best win was probably in the Erroll Stakes, one of the 2yo races on the Saturday heath meeting of the 1977 Ascot meeting). Innini was perhaps the best of Latin Melody's offspring, who also ran for Demetriou/Price. She won the St Hugh's at Newbury, and was placed in the Princess Margaret and Fred Darling.

Later offspring of Latin Melody were trained by Henry Cecil for Demetriou - these included Little Deep Water (3rd in the Lingfield Oaks Trial in 1985) and Van **** Brown (2nd in the Queens Vase to Baynoun in 1984).
By:
ged
When: 08 Mar 17 12:01
ffs - that's Van D y k e Brown
By:
ged
When: 08 Mar 17 12:02
*** whose best win (that's a ffs on me)
By:
theres only one best tonic
When: 08 Mar 17 12:07
REA Bott Wigmore St Ltd
Quality jumpers in the 80s such as Observe and Black Humour
By:
cyclops
When: 08 Mar 17 13:12
Who was the guy who was friends with Freddie Flintoff and had loads of horses a few seasons back? Paul.....?

The Hitchens had plenty with Jenny Pitman; don't see many of theirs these days.

Raymond Anderson Green seems to have scaled back a lot.

And there was that mortgage shark, Fergus Wilson, who'd always run no-hopers in Championship races. The sport may not miss him.
By:
Happy Valley
When: 08 Mar 17 13:32
ged those posts are very interesting and enjoyable, many thanks
By:
notenough
When: 08 Mar 17 13:46
Happy valley... Peter Bolton developed Whitcoombe not Whitsbury.

But you are correct as  Elsworth trained in both places
By:
Aviboyd
When: 08 Mar 17 14:03
Happy V - yes, I think Mollers Racing was set-up using a trust fund following their passing, money must have run out now Sad
By:
sickoflayinwinners
When: 08 Mar 17 14:11
ken higson
By:
Poppydog.
When: 08 Mar 17 14:15
Desmond Cracknell owned Foodbrokers company

Brown and White quarters. Flat and NHunt

Many with the Foodbroker prefix (Fancy, Flyer etc)
Also Chemist Broker and numerous items they dealt in (Plax?)

Was a good friend of Josh Gifford, Crump family, Harwoods.

Passed away about 15 years ago, only a couple of years after the family made national news, when Desmond's son was kidnapped.

The family, used to the highlife, were no business people and the company soon fell into ruin.
By:
timeless
When: 08 Mar 17 14:17
Lord Carnarvon

Queen's racing manager for years Crazy
By:
timeless
When: 08 Mar 17 14:19
Jim McGrath of winning line had his own colours innit Crazy
By:
ronnie rails
When: 08 Mar 17 14:25
will be a few on here who rememeber hippodrome raceing
By:
zipper
When: 08 Mar 17 14:38
ronnie rails...BARNEY CURLEY   his YELLOW  SAM took  2 million  pounds out of the book at
Bellewstown  26th june 1975 ..... that was  the books would stand  a decent bet . he also landed a four time   which won him and is gambles owners     todays money 5 million
By:
zipper
When: 08 Mar 17 15:02
ronnie  how old are you  ..  ?...YEARS AGO  the rail at group 1 tracks  they would stand any hot pot for 30k  today if you are a face  you would be lucky to get 500 on..why they dont what to know  they have no risk fobs  thats why i dont go racing any more
By:
Happy Valley
When: 08 Mar 17 15:20
notenough - yes thank you for that. I always get them muddled.
By:
ronnie rails
When: 08 Mar 17 15:53
zipper
if you read an early post on this thread you would of realised that I was  at royal ascot in 1979. so you could say I am  of mature age
regards
ronnie
By:
zipper
When: 08 Mar 17 16:28
ronnie  so that was 39. years ago.....respect  man ..you most have work for your dad unless your 100 years young  LoveLove
By:
punchestown
When: 08 Mar 17 16:59
Ribero - Ravi Tikkoo was defo Lemon and Royal Blue in some combination. I will add it to the list.

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Think it was Royal blue with a Lemon Diamond and sleeves?
By:
punchestown
When: 08 Mar 17 17:00
Royal blue cap with Diamond.
By:
punchestown
When: 08 Mar 17 17:02
Lemon Diamond.
By:
grumpyjim
When: 08 Mar 17 17:16
Alfie Bruce had a good horse .. ex   Chairman  of N.A.  .. bookies boss .  SPRING CABBAGE .. ...
scottie horse owners are like hens teeth ..  now ..
By:
Andrew in Sweden
When: 08 Mar 17 19:34
People forget (Well Lord Oaksey never did) just what a great flat trainer Captain Henry Ryan Price was.

It was a Capt HR Price runner in the Grand National that got me initially involved in racing as a slightly underage first time punter. The horse was Honey End, who could be classed as an unlucky loser (2nd) in one of the more well known Nationals.

In the same year, Hill House (also trained by HRP) was the centre of media attention after winning the Schweppes easily and came to the attention of the stewards. The horse tested positive for a form of steroid, but it transpired later that the horse was capable of doping himself due to naturally high levels of the steroid and HRP was exonerated.
By:
ribero1
When: 08 Mar 17 20:06
Cyclops,Paul Beck.
By:
verbotene liebe
When: 08 Mar 17 20:53
The Tony Richards colours must have lasted 40 - 50 years. The likes of Radetzky,the lightning quick Standaan,both with Clive, then on to Village Star with Fabre, then a few half decent ones within the last 15 years.

Also Mrs Olive Jackson who had a few with Fred Winter,most notably Midnight Court. Her silks looked more like sweater material than silk.
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