After Roberts death sadly the famous Sangster colours all but disappeared.

I will have a stab Blackbarn. Green, Dark Blue sleeves. White cap with Blue spots

Cliff Mcculloch big owner with Willy  Stephenson  I can recall taking some big bets for Ladb .Stein would lay the bets and sent twice as much to the course .Thats how Lads made much of there money .

aberdonia- he had a good few Grp winners on the flat with Richard Hannon too

Charlie Wacker III ("owner" of 1997 1000gns winner Sleepytime) went on the run soon after he was indicted in 1993. First he claimed he was too ill to travel (from London, where he lived, to Chicago to appear in a federal court. His lawyer said he had had a fax from Wacker's cardiologist in London saying that as he had had open heart surgery in the last 2 years, he was unable to travel to the US (although he had been found to have stayed in a hotel in LA just 4 months earlier)). Then he disappeared. They never found him, and appear to have given up looking for him in 2002. By all accounts he fled to South Africa where he was looked after by his grandson, in a little place by the sea called Hermanus, near Cape Town.

Here's the notice to move to dismiss his indictment, in 2002...

http://infospigot.typepad.com/wacker-dismissal.pdf

His horses ran under his name until around 1993/94, then switched to the Greenbay Stables name until 2005. Then just the one ran under the name "Estate of Charles H Wacker III" in 2007 (for John Gosden), so perhaps that indicates he died around then - or maybe he became legit again! He'd have been 85 in that year. 



Here's some of what Charlie was running from...

- Did not pay more than $1.9 million in personal income taxes from 1981 through 1986. Authorities said that Wacker filed false returns from 1983 through 1986 and that in all other cases he under-reported income or overstated business losses. Authorities said that in four of the six years for which Wacker's taxes have been questioned, he paid no income taxes.

- Used corporate fronts in Panama and Hong Kong to hide millions of dollars in assets, including cash, real estate, racehorses and income from his racing activities.

- Funneled more than $400,000 of his mother's money through a London-based company that Wacker told the IRS was used for research on a new rechargeable battery. Officials said he pocketed the funds then evaded more than $3.25 million in taxes due on his mother's Lake Bluff estate after her death in 1987.

The details of the intricate, decade-long financial dealings allegedly were contained in a looseleaf binder that Wacker kept, the indictment said. Government sources said that it was from those records and from informants close to the millionaire that the government's case was built.

Those informants told authorities how Wacker and his associates would refer to the sprawling off-shore holdings as "Gerard Sherman"-allegedly a personal code for a network with dealings on three continents, including part ownership of a casino in London and bank accounts in Zurich and the Channel Islands.

"It was like a carnival shell game," said one federal law enforcement official. "If you keep the pea moving, you never lose it. In this case, Mr. Wacker moved cash, horses and real estate from country to country, bank to bank, company to company in an attempt to avoid his taxes. Now the game is up."

There was horse in the Hubbard colours ran the other day.

Andrew - I said you needed to be specific re Sangster's colours. You have correctly identified the four components in your description, but the first two are insufficiently specific, the third is correct and the fourth is plain wrong.   Very well done for trying. You need to be a real colours nerd to get this correct. Not that I know one of course.

Harry Demetriou - from the top of my head he can't of had many horses as all I remember is four good 'uns, all with Ryan Price - Whitshead,Obraztosovy, Dutch Treat and Lake City. No doubt there was a ton of poor ones but I don't seem to remember the colours making day to day appearances, even week to week appearances - light blue, darker blue hoops, wine coloured cap.

who's going to take on the Royal colours when HM stops?
Cant see Charles or William being interested.

Well done ged - you are as close as is reasonable... Emerald Green, Royal Blue sleeves, White cap with Green (but not Emerald Green) spots on cap. The colours are still registered.

Actually if you play around with the colours you can get very close with a set that are still/now available.

Alices - Billy Whitbread - more sophisticated than that!!! - Chocolate with Yellow collar, cuffs and cap.

Smartie - Charles will obviously inherit his great great (I think its two greats) grandfather's colours and presumably Charles will pass his own colours to William.

In any event the BHA will bend any rule in place to accommodate what is required. After all they have done it several times for minor Qatari "royals".  Prince Harry might even be allowed the illegal Black Velvet cap with gold tassel.

The midget that was known as Terry Ramsden , last seen shuffling (very small fidgety steps )across the floor of Ladbrokes in Gate Street Holborn to place a bet .

Ronnie Rails
Rings a bell, Windsor Castle or Chesham, two words and a someones name. Forms books are scattered all other the place out of order and hard to search via Timeform Annuals without being sure of year.

Kilbrittain Castle another good chaseer in the Whitbread colours and maybe the last good one to carry those silks.

Andrew - I think they may mean Lake City the previous year, although it was not first time out.

Blackbarn - it was two funny sounding foreign words. Hyped for a very short time.

Just remembered - but not sure if it was first time out - something similar to Romanus Romani.

verboten - someone posted on here a while ago - "Hard to get the answer if no one seems to know the question"

So - it may or may not have won first time out, it could have been Royal Ascot, Ascot or somewhere else, it could have belonged to one or another of the Demetriou's. 

I am out I think, but I bet the answer is easy. I just don't know it.