the.mad.dog.man    02 Jul 16 18:45 
i also got rheumatoid arthritis take 5 tablets every monday helps a lot

Please can you name the medication you take ,as a friend has the same condition but has no
relief, many thanks.

Thanks Rob.

the.mad.dog.man   
I met a Guy at Brighton races a couple of years ago who had suffered with bad rheumatoid arthritis. His consultant asked him if he was interested in joining a trial on a new treatment. He agreed and went for an infusion of a new drug and was having a series of them, Not only was it helping him but they paid him for each session he attended.

'these studies never identify a single factor properly Olias and if you believed every food related scare in the last 20 years you would eat dust only'.

Dust as part of a balanced diet can promote a long and healthy life.

Dust Marketing Board.

Olias,

The reason I found this thread terrible was bc your opening posts didn't sound very balanced to me.

I respect your call for better lifestyle and better diet. I believe in those things too.
Problem is there may well be many varying ways of doing much the same thing, ie, trying to get fit and healthy.
Trying to be too categorical when there's over 200 different cancers is not helpful.

We only have to look around our globe to see the differing ways folk do much the same things in order to stay alive.
And, at the end of the day, we all have to die, imo.
  I faced up to this, and decided to do my own thing. So far, so good, but I won't last forever; neither do I want to. What would be the point?

We have to respect Nature ( whatever that is).

I thought I had a good diet, but after I got injured and later got sick, I changed so many things, sometimes several times over.

The main thing I found is to get the weight off. That's key.
Do it any way that suits is my advice.

Sure, I'm against all bread inc so-called wholemeal, but that's bc, when Cassius Clay was going, I heard him say he doesn't eat a lot of bread.
It was decades later that I got the cancer.

Also, I'm a believer in oats - eating them and getting them.

However, when recently checking out Spike Island ( prison in Ireland) I found that the prisoners mostly died of mal-nutrition despite each having 2 pounds of porage daily in their rations!
This is a fantastic amount, at a time when we had the Big Hunger ( famine) in Ireland.

Many of those who died of the hunger had green stuff coming out of their mouths as they died trying to eat grass. Grass is great but it didn't work for them. Neither were they overweight. The prisoners on the porage did little better.

We need to get a sense of proportion.
There is too much puritannical, judgmental, preaching about diet and sickness imo. I used to be guilty of this. Cancer humbled me.

The best general advice I had, came from an old woman who hated doctors: she told me " try to live your life as normally as possible".
I do, and I will, as long as I can, which won't be forever.

Btw, aren't ye one of those "smartsig" guys?

Good luck, anyway.

My own favourite oddball diet fads include beetroot juice, sauerkraut, and honey.
I also drink goatsmilk AND full-cream Jersey, and eat eggs and bananas with viagra!

How about that?
"They" persuaded me to go on statins, chatting about cholesterol and BP. I got sick after four tablets and they stopped them; took months to get back to square one.
We need a certain amount of cholesterol to make testosterone.
A good jump would sort out many illnesses.
This, despite them saying that other things - including my binge drinking - were more likely to kill me than the cancer.

I'm lucky. I used to have more pain in my daily work than I get nowadays. When I got injured and couldn't work or exercise properly, my pains vanished.

I'm old, anyway. I'll just keep on trucking till I drop.
The worst thing to die of is boredom, imo.

Live dangerously and die, I say!

Yes we all have to die, you just dont want it to be your fault

Olias, I don't think it is the fault of the individual, more to do with govts, media, business and medical profession, perpetuating a profit generating illness model

Olias maybe correct on some points and I am not doubting some of them, but I agree with sean rua.

You can point people to all these studies but they are suiting your own points/agenda, I expect you can find exactly the opposite opinions online when you go searching.

I used to work in food ingredients industry, and Aspartame (artificial sweetener) had loads of bad press and linked to cancer, just look on google. But you will probably find just as many good articles saying it is safe. It probably is one of the most scientifically tested ingredients about. But I wouldn't be telling people it's perfect and only point them to the 'good' studies - as in my opinion it is a very dangerous game to play.

Well, Olias,

there ye go again: attaching "fault" and probably "blame" to illness.

That's a bit too puritannical for me.

I'm all for helping folk, but, at the end of the day, people tend to go their own way and there's always somebody who will point the finger and criticise.

Point is, life is not a laboratory-controlled experiment. It is the real thing, with all sorts of imponderables.
Yes, I believe in cause and effect, but 'tis almost impossible to determine many pre-existing conditions and circumstances, imo.

Btw, when I was young I used to be a bit like ye: I thought I knew it all and I was invincible; others failed bc they were weak etc.

When adversity did come ( which it usually does), the main thing I did wrong was trusting others who told me they knew what they were doing.
They were PHDs with white coats and overalls; they told me conditions were safe; they weren't.

Other "experts" later took their side against me. 'Tis hard for the small man to take on big global companies. They can "buy" people.

Good luck to all!

Actually I agree with Rob, the fault lies with the medical profession and the food industry who with their powers of persuasion are able to confuse the public. The nuances of what is and what is not healthy can be confusing but if a person wants a general guideline then eat only what nature created. If man created it then leave well alone. So veggies, fruit, perhaps even grass fed meats. However when man interferes as we have with wheat, battery farmed cattle and poultry, processed foods and so on then disease results. As I say to friends when they ask 'is it not difficult', I have given up one set of delicious food that causes disease for another set of delicious food that promotes health.

For sean.

A wheat allergy should not be confused with “gluten intolerance” or celiac disease. A food allergy is an overreaction of the immune system to a specific food protein. When the food protein is ingested, in can trigger an allergic reaction that may include a range of symptoms from mild symptoms (rashes, hives, itching, swelling, etc.) to severe symptoms (trouble breathing, wheezing, loss of consciousness, etc.). A food allergy can be potentially fatal.

Celiac disease (also known as celiac sprue), which affects the small intestine, is caused by an abnormal immune reaction to gluten. Usually diagnosed by a gastroenterologist, it is a digestive disease that can cause serious complications, including malnutrition and intestinal damage, if left untreated. Individuals with celiac disease must avoid gluten, found in wheat, rye, barley and sometimes oats. Learn more about celiac disease>


A food intolerance is something else, This is the idea that some people have a leaky gut that allows undigested food particles to enter the bloodstream.
This causes their immune system to kick in and cause headaches and flue like symptoms sometimes with cronic fatigue.

There you are sean - you know more about it than your GP does now.

OK, Olias.

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Cheers, doc C.

I'm not convinced that there is a link between cancer and any allergy or intolerance, but thanks anyway.
I know gluten avoiders cannot have any grain.

This wonderful knowledge came when a cricket team from Cheshire ordered breakfast in a Wetherspoon's. One of them wanted gluten-free. He explained that he couldn't have any grains whatsoever. Same reaction would apertain.

I still haven't quite got why wheat is the big baddie, but, when I get time I'll check it out yet again.
In the meantime, I'll keep on with the weetabix.

The only thing the hospitals ( I have to go to two, for some reason) have said about diet is to cut down on milk when taking the medication they gave. They reckoned that its action blocked the effectiveness of the stuff they gave me. So I have to wait 20 minutes from taking the ulcer tablet till I can take milk, and then, another hour before I take the cancer stuff ( which actually is just to help certain tubes clear and doesn't cure anything).

Nowadays my own regime is not as strict as it was; despite the specialist saying the only way was the knife, I'm now "normal" as regards former swellings and for blood tests.

However, things can change at any time; once it spreads, I'm fkd.
His way, I'd be a zombie with a bag and a zimmer frame.

I prefer my way.

Any children at home, don't follow my way; do what ye are told.
Luck doesn't last forever.

Sean, that would certainly be the way to go - preferably with a smile on your face after enjoying the game of life, with all its ups and downs.

I tend to follow a similar diet to Olias, mainly because I have a family history of diabetes and coeliac, though I accept everyone has to find out what 'works' best for them, in keeping with their own belief system and genetics.

I don't think unpasteurised milk is illegal - you can still get it from 6 dairies in England and yes it does taste good.

Coeliac, is associated with an increase risk of small bowel cancer and Hodgkins and Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma - so this particular allergy is linked to cancer.

Olias is right, we are all to some/large degree under the spell of experts and mass media and it is upto the individual to look for different possibilities.

I understand in America some schools even have fast food chains cooking the meals and I always found it sadly ironic that in this country we had schools encouraging parents to buy walker's crisps, so they could collect school vouchers to buy books and exercise equipment.

#t4

thankfully i can have an apple -  oh hang on despite all those words of the experts thats not quite true - take  a look  at apples and the dentist

#will stickwivabaconsandwich

the truth is to scare

Dr Rob,

fair points, but, few are as unconventional as myself, imo.

What we usually find is,
that those who follow the current fad of trying to dumb down and be ordinary ( in an attempt to appeal to us in the working class) and preach "anti-expert" stuff,
often come up with their own specialist sh it that they've plucked from google and the 'net.

More often than not, this stuff comes from old Asia via the USA, and is peddled by "experts" in their own right.
At least, that's what they claim to be.
And, surprise surprise! Some of them actually are running businesses and looking for money!

Look, get this: ten doctors, ten theories; ten engineers, ten theories.
But, if we are ever to believe in and use EDUCATION  ( ie learning what's good and useful to humanity) we have to have some fkn experts.

I want  a wall built, I get a  brick-layer not a fkn hairdresser.

Education wasn't my strong point, compared to the "sharp-brains" on here, but even I know and recognise the value of such things as Research and Development and laboratory study.

FFS! we even send off blood from trotting horses ( the old cart racing) to get analysed in labs, and we accept the value of the pointers shown by the results.

Nobody on this planet could be more delighted at being able to stick one up the authorities and the boffins than I am, but, let's be realistic,
we need folk who study and specialise.

Will all these fkn experts ever agree? Hardly, but what we do is muddle on with the various compromises.

'Tis all a matter of personal choice.

This is the difficult bit. What do we believe?
That question alone could take a lifetime of debate and still not be settled, so,
in my case, old and fkd, I just make my own bets, and live or die by them.

Sure we live in a bad system, capitalism, but
I see no value in slagging off all doctors, all food suppliers, all charities etc.

We don't have to do what they say. If we're brave enough, we can defy them to a certain extent. Where that leads, nobody knows for sure. Life is too short to waste too much time worrying.

Finally, all I will say about cancer charities is this: we never hear much about the royal family dying of cancer; one theory is that there is already a pretty good cure, BUT,  for folks to continue raising a lot of money, "they" ( the authorities and the charity organisers) ain't never going to tell us all this fact, or ,what's really good for us.

Conspiracy theory? Sure, but who knows; it might even be true.
Well have to ask the fkn experts.