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By:
stridingedge
When: 04 Jul 16 13:23
Diabetes (type 2) is a travesty how it's been allowed to progress, especially in children. I don't think there is much disagreement about how simple lifestyle changes(diet and exercise) can either prevent it in the first instance or keep it in check/reverse it's affects once diagnosed.
By:
OliasOfSunhillow
When: 04 Jul 16 13:26
In that case choose wild salmon such as sockeye salmon
By:
iceberg
When: 04 Jul 16 13:31
All cancer charities are equal but some are more equal than others.

http://www.breastcancerfund.org/

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2016/03/30/the-cancer-industry-exposed-in-less-than-2000-words/
By:
DrRob
When: 04 Jul 16 13:33
You're not the only one striding! It can leave you wondering what's the point. I think the highest levels were found in tuna because it is higher up the food chain. I would still eat oily fish especially if you like it - though like Olias I tend to avoid farmed fish because the omega 3 quantity is low,  as they are mainly fed on a corn-based food. Flaxseed/linseed walnuts are an alternative source of omega 3
By:
DrRob
When: 04 Jul 16 13:40
Striding - Diabetes is associated with a higher risk of certain cancers, therefore by following lifestyle changes to prevent diabetes you are also reducing your risk of cancer.
By:
stridingedge
When: 04 Jul 16 13:47
Yes that link makes perfect sense.

A better diet and more exercise would eliminate much of the type 2 diabetes which has become prolific in last 2 decades and is set to worsen still. This is one thing I am pretty sure i have a great chance of avoiding with my lifestyle.
By:
DrRob
When: 04 Jul 16 13:49
The question is - how do we get that message across?
By:
stridingedge
When: 04 Jul 16 13:52
I think plenty more can be done with type 2 diabetes. Some harder hitting facts about it and the difficulties it can pose to health, like the warnings given for smoking. It thoroughly depresses me seeing kids weight spiralling out of control with their fat parents apparently oblivious to the implications of this.

I know this may sound harsh but the message on this illness just hasn't been strong enough imo.
By:
stridingedge
When: 04 Jul 16 13:54
One of my friends uncles foot completely disintegrated when he took his boots off one day. He had type 2 diabetes for years and managed it very poorly, drinking and smoking.He failed to take notice of the poor state of his feet and this was the horrific result.

These sorts of complications from something which in many cases can be prevented need to be thrust more in peoples faces.
By:
stridingedge
When: 04 Jul 16 13:56
Anyway off to focus on some racing, thanks for your comments DrRob.
By:
DrRob
When: 04 Jul 16 13:57
There certainly needs to be more health education in schools but you need to start young - preferably before 7, when many of our beliefs and habits have already been conditioned. Advertisers specifically  target children for the fast/junk food and research shows this type of food targets the same area in the brain associated with addictions
By:
DrRob
When: 04 Jul 16 13:57
Be lucky!
By:
OliasOfSunhillow
When: 04 Jul 16 13:58
Be informed
By:
bigmart
When: 04 Jul 16 13:59
i think men over 50 should be tested for prostate every 2 years
men never get checked enough until its too far gone Sad
By:
DrRob
When: 04 Jul 16 13:59
Yes Olias, you make your own luck in this game - by studying form
By:
bigmart
When: 04 Jul 16 14:01
yes dr rob better being lucky than good hey !
just seen a cracker just what the dr ordered Wink
By:
OliasOfSunhillow
When: 04 Jul 16 14:02
Taken from Denise Mingers report

"Most likely, these Western ailments aren’t spawned from a single food or activity, but from a tragic mix of diet choices, lifestyle habits, and environmental factors. For problems like breast cancer and colon cancer and lung cancer, it’s pretty easy to see what the matrix of risk-raisers are from looking at the data: It’s the same combination of things spurring disease in Western nations.

But oddly enough, this isn’t the case for heart conditions. The factors shared by other Western illnesses are not, in most cases, associated with heart disease in this data set. If you’ve read some of the earlier China Study posts, you might remember that I took issue with Campbell’s disease-clustering strategy because heart disease doesn’t fit cleanly with the “diseases of affluence” group, despite his insistence on sticking it there anyway. Unlike the other Western problems, heart disease isn’t associated with eating more sugar, working in industry, drinking more alcohol, using vegetable oils, having higher apo-B levels, or any of the other variables uniting the Western diseases and mirroring the traits common to industrialized countries.

What’s the only thing heart-disease-prone regions have in common with Westernized nations? That’s right: consumption of high amounts of wheat flour."
By:
OliasOfSunhillow
When: 04 Jul 16 14:03
I do not study form Dr but I do study data
By:
bigmart
When: 04 Jul 16 14:06
tin soup is really bad for you , cant beat homemade , Tongue Out
By:
bigmart
When: 04 Jul 16 14:07
messaged u dr and olias
By:
DrRob
When: 04 Jul 16 14:07
Are you a ratings/speed fig man then Olias?
By:
DrRob
When: 04 Jul 16 14:07
Not so sure about the psa test bigmart
By:
bigmart
When: 04 Jul 16 14:08
striding pm
By:
OliasOfSunhillow
When: 04 Jul 16 14:09
I do compile my own ratings for handicap flat races but they are not ability ratings. I am also interested in the application of machine learning methods to horse betting
By:
bigmart
When: 04 Jul 16 14:12
dr m8 just found out he has it , the leading specialist told him its about cost , he stated very curable if caught early doors , life sucks my m8 just retired 3 months ago , Sad
By:
DrRob
When: 04 Jul 16 14:16
Never heard of machine learning methods Olias
By:
stridingedge
When: 04 Jul 16 14:21
Back again, not too enthused with the Ayr card.

These links are so complex though Olias

if high sugar intake leads to obesity there is a clear and undisputed link with heart disease, smoking is a risk factor with a clear link to  heart disease and has been shown to be highly correlated the greater the consumption as has alcohol.

I'm sorry but any study that's trying to suggest this isn't the case loses any credibility with me, i just cannot have the dismissal of these factors, this would cause me great concerns as to the integrity of this study.

Again with wheat, you have to look at how it's ingested and the huge interdependent relationships, shich i'm pretty sure no study at present could achieve with it's complexities.

Me and my 2/3 slices of wholemeal bread can't be compared to someone getting their wheat from cakes,pies,biscuits etc. The latter case is highly likely to lead to weight gain which would in itself greatly raise the risk of heart disease.Even without the weight gain, these foods should not be compared nutritionally.
By:
bigmart
When: 04 Jul 16 14:22
i find speed ratings work even better on soft or heavy ground ,
very few horses can sluice through it and preduce a good speed rating
in h/c races top weights tend too struggle , as its they get stuck in the mud
bit like you racing a m9 with a haversack u might beat him on goo ground but like horses struggle to give lead away on soft or heavy conditions , purests might argue that they are h/cap to dead heat with a weight turn around never as simple , h.capping does not work the same on heavy
u cd have 2 sel dead heating one has 8.4  and the other has 9.4
they race same c/d but softer ground , they both handle said conditions , but u can bet your bott dollar the if horse a had 8.10 and horse b had 9.10 both running of the same marks horse A WD COME OUT ON TOP 9 TIMES OUT OF 10 , WEIGHT AFFECTS A HORSE FAR MORE WHEN THE MUD IS FLYING FACT
By:
OliasOfSunhillow
When: 04 Jul 16 14:24
Yes you have Dr everytime you use google or shop online you are engaging with one. When you read form you may, for example, check out whether a horse is a course winner or perhaps a distance winner. Machine learning attempts to not only decide how much these factors are worth but what is the overall worth when combined with many other factors. Bit like figuring out the significance of wheat when you have to worry about a myriad of other factors as well.
By:
DrRob
When: 04 Jul 16 14:33
Thanks. Have they been able to take into account corrupt jockey's and trainers yet? Do you write the programme yourself - or is it something you can subscribe to?
By:
OliasOfSunhillow
When: 04 Jul 16 14:33
By the way one hypothsis as to why wheat contributes to heart disease is that wheat promotes the development of small dense LDL particles which due to their size or more easily lodged in the endothelial (wall of the artery) this then oxidises and we have the cascading inflamatory response that the Dr referred to. I personally lean more towards sugar and insulin spikes causing endothelial lesions that the need patching up with cholesterol and other junk which eventually grows and bursts causing a heart attack.
By:
OliasOfSunhillow
When: 04 Jul 16 14:34
I am an ex University lecturer in Computer Science so my background allows me to explore automated analysis and bet execution.
By:
OliasOfSunhillow
When: 04 Jul 16 14:43
Dr I have just been sent this link by a functional doctor friend of mine, thought it might interest you

https://www.cytoplan.co.uk/blog/education/events-seminars/why-nutrition-is-the-key-to-alzheimers/
By:
The Sawyer
When: 04 Jul 16 15:06
Olias and DrRob

I have CHD and had a double bypass 8 weeks ago. I suffered an inferior MI eleven years ago (propped up with a stent).

Around six months ago I started to get minor angina attacks on exercise and following an angiogram it was felt that surgery would be safer than more stents.

Whilst awaiting the procedure I spoke to a patient who was around the same age as me and he asked if I had heard of the plant food diet by Dr Esselstyn (I had to look that up as I couldn't remember his name just the plant food bit). I haven't researched his work before but in the last 20 minutes it would appear that Dr E places the cause of CHD solely on diet.

He is suggesting that the correct diet can not only stop CHD but reverse it.

Olias, he doesn't exclude bread from his list of foods. My apologies if this subject has been covered in this thread.

A couple of other points I was "told" during my stay in hospital/ pre-visits (by the consultants not other patients!):-

Alcohol is not a cause of CHD (I almost left the room then leaping in the air). It does contribute significantly to the major causes though;
Diabetes is a major contributor to CHD;
As is smoking;
As is obesity;
With family history as seemingly the most "likely" reason if the other tests fail.

I would add that following my heart attack eleven years ago, my blood pressure and cholesterol (which were both high) have been well looked after by medication. However, medication does not stop or reverse CHD.
By:
OliasOfSunhillow
When: 04 Jul 16 15:14
Over 50% of people who suffer a heart attack have 'normal cholesterol levels'. I suggest you read the The great Cholesterol Con by Dr Malcolm Kendrick who I believe heralds from our good doctors neck of the woods
By:
DrRob
When: 04 Jul 16 15:27
Both would involve an inflammatory response from the body. I think the key is to manage this response or oxidative stress - like any stress - if it becomes chronic - it can wear out the body's repair and protective mechanisms, right down to the genetic level.

So, yes everything in moderation so you don't overload the system too much, which is why highly refined carbs aren't great as they produce bigger spikes in insulin. Fine once in a while, but, too much for too long could cause problems. How much is too much would vary greatly between individuals depending upon their genetic makeup and lifestyle.

This is why intermittent fasting can be a good tactic to use on occasions, because it gives your body a break and allows the cells that produce insulin time to have a rest. And just like In weight-training  it is the rest time that allows the growth to occur
By:
DrRob
When: 04 Jul 16 15:39
Yes Olias I think the profession is finally waking upto to the Cholesterol/bad  low fat/good story, perpetuated by the drug companies and food manufacturers.

Glad you are Recovering well 8wks post op Sawyer, there are many different diets you can look at to help with the heart - another to consider is Dr Sears - zone diet. Alcohol, again in moderation, for those over 40, can have beneficial effects on the heart.

I would still keep taking the tablets though!
By:
DrRob
When: 04 Jul 16 15:46
Thanks for the link Olias - what is your connection to functional medicine ? It's quite an American term.
By:
OliasOfSunhillow
When: 04 Jul 16 15:55
I read a lot on nutrition and it just kind of worked its way into my view.
By:
DrRob
When: 04 Jul 16 16:04
Unfortunately, not much is taught on nutrition in medical school, nor on preventative medicine per se - some would say cynically, because there's no money in it.
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