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CANCER its a scandal
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and by the way my mum was/is a happy clapper
probs why we dont get on |
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#and im the eldest
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this is a short video presentation that you may find interesting
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/phytates-for-the-prevention-of-cancer/ Enjoy |
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Wheat contributes to heart disease
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Have I mentioned sleep and the risk of cancer ?, good night
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as me mam always said - i will say me prayers
 are you seriously saying that the staple diet of past 1000 years is a problem fook me - i must watch star trek much more. You still aint answered the kids angle by the way |
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on it like a tramp on a bag of chips
#justsayinglike |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8mduTEvnU0
night night ahahaha |
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Some think there is a cure for cancer and it does exist... Some even go as far to suggest the The Royal Family have this cure.
I just think it's simply down to natures own way of controlling the worlds population and no cure exists. It can happen to anyone. |
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Disturbing,but very interesting.
'The Cancer Report' It seems the drugs that are prescribed do the opposite. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz-_FvX7inQ |
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Diff rent 'It can happen to anyone' really and yet is not distributed randomy across the globe. Uganda has vastly lower rates of common cancer than UK or USA and yet anyone can get it...really ?
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Olias - you say children get it because of their parents diets? So you are saying it is passed on by them (so it is in their genes already)? Therefore why would you say previously As for the genetic argument well thats another huge red herring
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Interesting discussion, as a medical doctor I have for sometime thought the current "illness" model we use for health to be inefficient - promoted more to generate profits for big pharmaceutical companies.
It is estimated 5-10% of cancers have a genetic link - Olias is referring to epigenetic inheritance - genes are modifiable by lifestyle/environment - around 2% of these modified genes can be passed on during reproduction. For example, smoking can damage certain genes and a small percentage of these genes can be passed onto your offspring. Yes, cancer can have many different causes and factors involved, the key is to have a strong immune system to oppose the cancer cells before they have a chance to invade the body. As gamblers we should aim to improve the odds in our favour by adopting lifestyle measures that support our health and immune system - this is a "Wellness" model for health. |
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Magic, its a red herring in the sense that if you attack the problem from a diet and lifestyle perspective you will get huge reductions in cancer rates. If you pour money into genetic research you will continue to make a small dent in the problem at best. What geneticist are really saying is that if we can identify a gene that makes you more susceptible to say bowel cancer then lets try and find a way of tinkering with that gene. What they are very careful of not telling you is that gene expression, is VERY responsive to diet. In other words for genetic mutation you need triggers and clearly diet is a major trigger. Genetic research is medicines' way of saying we just do not want to go down a non profit but effective path. If they came up with a drug for bowel cancer that mirrored the bowel cancer rates in pre westernised Uganda, it would be all over the papers as a miracle drug.
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Meanwhile Dr Rob the medical profession continues to treat cancer with Radiation that knocks out the immune system. Yes radiation the one thing we are told to avoid to keep clear of cancer. Are you a functional practioner Rob ?
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I have cancer myself and defy the medical profession, but
this is a terrible thread, imo. Fact: there is not a man alive who knows why anybody gets cancer. It can strike anyone, and may well be in all of us. Because about one in two of us do get it ( UK), there is tremendous fear about it. That is why there are 1001 amateur doctors and quacks all over the internet and media. Ten real doctors, ten different opinions. So, like myself, make up your own mind. Sure, we can work out what is a healthy diet and what is a healthy lifestyle, BUT please do not think that this is any guarantee that we go unscathed through life. Like the racing game, there are many imponderables. That's life!  That's death. ps please send cash only - £350 million will do - for a free information sheet on "how to cure cancer , win the lotto, and take over the world in three days". Money back guarantee within days following your death; deceased only may apply.   |
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Sean you have misread the thread. No one is saying that you can guarantee that you will not get cancer. What we are debating is how best to seriously lower your chances. Yes cancer is in all of us but our immune system deals with it, when it fails it then runs amok. Why is the thread terrible, talking about it is the best possible way to explore how we can improve our chances. I am sure doctors would agree that treating Cancer like the boogie man serves no one except perhaps the drug industry, They would love you all to think 'its a complicated business leave this to us to solve'.
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Yes Olias, I'm a general practitioner who takes a functional/integrative/holistic approach. I agree the current 'cut, poison and burn' approach to cancer treatment is very damaging to the immune system. However, the latest research on immunotherapy treatments for cancer does look promising.
I think we need to change the way we view dis-ease, by focussing more on the causes than the symptoms. Another example is diabetes, the drugs we use merely tackle the symptom of high blood sugars and do nothing to address the causative factors for insulin resistance - diet and sedentary lifestyle. Yes some people have a genetic predisposition to diabetes, but, the diabetes prevention study clearly demonstrated these could be held in check by eating healthily and exercise. |
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You are right Sean, anyone can get cancer and the incidence is increasing. The body produces 100's if not 1000's of mutant cells everyday which can potentially become cancerous, however the immune system recognises them and eliminates them. As we get older the immune system starts to get weaker, making it more likely for the cancer cells to escape detection.
The key is to maintain a strong immune system - which reduces the chance of cancer developing. This is essentially the theory behind immunotherapy. You can boost the strength of your immune system in lots of ways, not just diet and exercise, also vit d/sunshine, adequate sleep, close/caring relationships, faith and beliefs etc. |
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You are a rare bird indeed DrRob, finding a doctor with your views is hard but I never imagined I would come across one on here. I think things are changing however as a new generation come through. Any links on Immunothereapy ?. Where are you based ?.
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Quality of sleep is vital, everyone should read Lights Out an informative book on how to improve sleep
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My wife had cancer, whilst I was doing my medical training - she went through the surgery,chemo and radiation treatments successfully (15 years ago) so then I started to look at ways she could improve her chances of preventing the cancer from returning and it all pointed to having a strong immune system.
I liken it to managing a football team and your immune system is the goalkeeper trying to stop the opposition from scoring. All the most successful teams start with a great defence. I'm based in Stafford, but I'm a black country lad born and bred! I know quite a few GP's who like horse-racing, don't forget Dr Newlands. http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2016/03/03/new-immunotherapy-discovery-could-give-treatments-the-precision-they-need/ |
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DR Rob
an hour walk every day cardio exercise 30-45 mins 3/4 times a week weight training twice a week non smoker drink perhaps 10 times a year now socially diet wholemeal bread almost every day 2/3 pieces of fruit every day 3/5 vegetable portions fish,chicken and turkey, red meat very rare, processed meat very rare treat chocolate once a week 1 bag of a week 2 puddings at the weekend not in the week Can you please tell me that with this lifestyle I am increasing my chances of heart disease by eating uncut freshly baked wholemeal bread 2/3 slices a day? You can take all the steps you want but we are all on the wheel of fortune, of course we can try and give ourselves the best protection but the conflicting advice out there on the internet these days can be misleading and even dangerous imo. Many cancers have a higher genetic factor than you are giving them credit for and certainly heart disease also has a strong genetic factor that can predispose someone. From all i've read the level and increase of diabetes is stupendous and something that in many cases can either be prevented or kept in check with a healthy lifestyle and diet. |
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I'm certainly not disputing that diet and heart disease/ cancer are linked
But this thread is the only time i have heard of a link between wheat and heart disease. (especially bread as wheat can incorporate all sorts of cakes/biscuits, sweets and many hidden foods you wouldn't even think of which i would associate with a more unhealthy intake. |
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Striding egde, read 'wheat belly' by Dr Davies or 'Grain brain' by Dr Perlmbutter
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wheat-Belly-effortless-weight-loss-solution/dp/0008118922/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467626742&sr=8-1&keywords=wheat+belly+lose+the+wheat For the analysis of wheat by Denise Minger on China study data read the following, even if you are not a stat junkie bare with it and you will get the message https://rawfoodsos.com/2010/09/02/the-china-study-wheat-and-heart-disease-oh-my/ Or if you cant be bothered here is her conclusion after analysis taking in to consideration numerous other possible conflicting variables like lower fish consumption in some regions "Anyway, here’s the important point. No matter what variables I adjust for, I can’t make the correlation between wheat flour and heart disease go away. Sorry, wheat! Neener neener." Now here is the real kicker, who sponsors the UK heart charity ...... Warburtons !! |
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I have no problem analysing stats, my degree was heavily based on statistics. I will take the time to read these links but beforehand i must say i am sceptical with these studies as hundreds will give conflicting results based on a number of lifestyle and health choices, what's perceived as healthy one week is disputed the next and vice versa.
Wheat can be ingested in a number of forms too. It is a big part of a western diet and goes far beyond a daily fix of bread, as i said a lot of wheat products will be considered unhealthy because of the potentially unhealthy sugars and fats and preservatives accompanying them. My general rule is that moderation is often fine, you seem to thin any wheat has a good chance of shortening your life. I have eaten bread most days of my life (35 this birthday), the last 2 check ups have had a very healthy BP (was actually told it was that of an athlete last time).It seems extremely unlikely that wheat is secretly causing my health some distress in the background and is ready to cause me such complications as you are inferring. Are all the Gp's in on this conspiracy of yours too? if you went to a 100 today, most would think you are talking nonsense or at least or at least are basing your opinion on a very narrow window of all the data that is out there on this topic. Anyway when i get the chance i will read this study and get back to you. |
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bread was created to sustain great armys , it invariably slows down the digestive system especialy white bread , so toxins stay longer in the body , think the op has a point as their have been direct links to the disease from pesticides
when we start tampering with nature , look at the affects of gm crops on bee's natures pollin chariot i think human greed stops science /engineering they cant seam to find a cure for the common cold funny that pharmaceutical companies like beachums make billions on remedies, like the people who invented engines that run on water or other cheap fuels the patent is bought out , as far too much money at stake , but slows the future of man kind , they most likely have a cure , funny how none of the royal family had it  i used to give a fair bit , until i worked at the head office , seen the amount of company cars over half a million , why do they need such exuberant cars i asked , one of the staff , they said we are not allowed to comment or we loose our job , each of them is allocated an annual budget and they go to the garage say i need to spend 1200 , more so they put new Alloy wheels on etc , rather get their year budget reduced , people have gave over money for good causes in good faith but the administration and greed of the hierarchy that run these places beggars belief ,too many phat cats skimming the top i used to date a girl from napol she said green tea and eat chilies daily,too cleanse you body , my gran/ grandad , used to eat porridge every day , americans have links porridge oats to reducing toxins in the body , they also had a small glass of boiled water every day 1st thing in the morning , she used to say you will never have bad breath or stomach problems as it clears your body , both my gran and grandad lived to ripe old ages not once did they attent a hospital |
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haven't you heard mart hot drinks are linked to cancer of the esophagus in a recent study. They damage the lining and can lead to cell mutation.
Porridge oats have been linked in many studies to lowering cholesterol and generally beneficial to the heart, elsewhere all grains are seen as evil and a cause of various bowel problems even cancers. |
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If you tried to keep up with all of these studies you would be pacing around in a padded cell or become highly neurotic probably causing your system far more stress than you are trying to prevent in the first place.
My body tells me when i'm treating it right, at Christmas my normal diet goes out the window and i often feel sluggish,irritable and desperate to get back into the normal routine. If only a very small percentage of people on the planet investigating dietary effects on health are linking my intake with bread to an increased risk of heart disease, it's not something that's going to concern me to the point of changing. |
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striding https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=scott%27s+porage+oats&espv=2&biw=1024&bih=667&tbm=isch&imgil=ULRrOkMv9CONgM%253A%253B5A5ELF4Ay400rM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.scottsporage.co.uk%25252Fthe-scotts-porage-story%25252Four-heritage%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=ULRrOkMv9CONgM%253A%252C5A5ELF4Ay400rM%252C_&usg=__Bsb58aVizcy3eOXqvcZqz0klc6E%3D&ved=0ahUKEwi1vO391dnNAhVK6xQKHayjDdQQyjcIogE&ei=-UN6V_XbNMrWU6zHtqAN#imgrc=ULRrOkMv9CONgM%3A
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just got a health mag super foods black pudding is one
 yes agree striding , perhaps a colonic irrigation , wd do the trick rem they say traces of red meat can stay in your intestines for years certain cultures have ramdan to cleanse the body , grapes and water  |
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Red-Meat Eaters Risk Colon Cancer
Red-Meat Eaters Risk Colon Cancer By Daniel J. DeNoon on January 11, 2005 WebMD News Archive Eating 3 Ounces of Red Meat Per Day May Beef Up Cancer Risk Jan. 11, 2005 -- Bad news for beef eaters: Red meat really does increase your risk of colon cancer. It's not exactly news. Many studies suggest that people who eat the most meat get the most cancer. Now a huge, 20-year study from the American Cancer Society confirms these findings. The bottom line: Those who eat the most red meat -- beef and/or pork and/or processed meat products -- get colon cancer 30% to 40% more often than those who eat these foods only once in a while. The news is particularly bad for those who favor lots of lunchmeats, hot dogs, and sausages. Eating lots of these processed foods raises colon cancer risk by 50%, reports Marjorie L. McCullough, ScD, senior epidemiologist at the American Cancer Society in Atlanta. McCullough and colleagues report the findings in the Jan. 12 issue of The Journal of the American Medical Association. "The bottom line is that the people who were eating the most red meat had higher colon cancer risk than those eating the least," McCullough tells WebMD. "Very few of these lower-risk people ate no red meat. It is not that we are saying people can never have red meat. But this shows it is important to limit the amount of red meat you eat." The researchers collected detailed information on the diets of nearly 150,000 men and women aged 50 to 74 living in 21 U.S. states. They collected data in 1982 and 1992-1993, and followed them through the end of August 2001. In that time, 1,667 of the study participants developed colon cancer. The study accounted for factors that are known to increase colon cancer risk, such as smoking, being overweight, little physical activity, alcohol use, age, and low fiber intake as well as factors known to decrease risk, such as daily aspirin use. |
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OliasOfSunhillow
OliasOfSunhillow 04 Jul 16 10:19 Joined: 05 Apr 12 | Topic/replies: 1,728 | Blogger: OliasOfSunhillow's blog Quality of sleep is vital, everyone should read Lights Out an informative book on how to improve sleep am a terrible sleeper used to sleep like a baby but not now .cheers for the heads up will look tar  |
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I agree the conflicting advice can be very confusing, and everyone is different (genetically, lifestyle, environment) so it is important to look at the individual and take a personalised approach. The study Olias mentioned was the China Study http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1059627/ a large observational study which did suggest a correlation between wheat flour intake and heart disease and also animal fats with cancer and is often cited by people to support a vegetarian/vegan lifestyle. However, because it is an observational study it has been heavily criticised.
A better designed randomised controlled study (DART) showed that advising people recovering from a heart attack to eat at least six slices of wholemeal bread per day resulted in a statistically significant (35%) increase of CHD compared to people not receiving this advice. Whenever, you look at such studies, however, you do need a sceptical eye and ask what is the motivation and who is funding it. In terms of heart disease, along with nearly all the other chronic diseases, the underlying molecular cause is inflammatory processes that put your body's defensive mechanisms under strain until it reaches a point where it can no longer stop the fatty plaques clogging up the arteries and eventually one dislodges to cause a heart attack. Yes, some people will have a genetic predisposition to speed up this inflammatory process and therefore be more prone to heart disease at a younger age, but it is important to realise we are not helpless, genetic determinism - the debate of nature v's nurture the genes v's the environment is one we as individuals can influence. If I had a strong family history of heart disease, I would certainly look at an anti-inflammatory diet - high in omega 3 fatty acids and low in refined carbs |
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Stridingedge, I do not recall saying Wheat was bad for you - unless you happen to have coeliac disease. You are right to listen to your body and make your own decisions about what is best for your health.
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It was Olias who said that wheat contributes to heart disease and yet there are just as many studies/reports to contradict that - go take a look its out there waiting to be read but as always there are two sides to peoples views and thats all they are as no-one for sure has the definitive answers
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Times reports today that the excellent results shown in the USA by applying the Bredesen protocol to alzheimers patients will be tested on around 200 patients here in the UK. Its a dietary lifestyle multi factorial approach and has wiped the floor with drug based approaches. One ingredient is low cereal consumption.
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Yes, Smirnoff, always two sides to every story, people do need to make up their own minds, equally they need to be open-minded and explore different possibilities before deciding what is best for them
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Here is a link to that study Olias http://www.aging-us.com/article/NjJf3fWGKw4e99CyC/text#fulltext - and also with diabetes - the work at university of Newcastle successfully reversing diabetes http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal.htm and also the work of Dr Fung with therapeutic/intermittent fasting https://youtu.be/tIuj-oMN-Fk
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I eat a lot of oily fish, mackerel,tuna and sardines in particular. After reading how this was linked to positive affects on the health of the heart i was quite pleased with myself as i just happened to like these fish in my diet rather than eating them because of these links.The next thing i read that these fish may be loaded with mercury which the body cannot get rid of, over time may actually be causing harm.
I Often don't know what to believe! |