Sageform, I'm sure you're not racist or xenophobic.
However, like it or not, you've aligned yourself with every racist in the country. They're all on your side and it will take considerable skill from whoever leads us in the transition to steer a path that will not lead to considerable unrest.
"We voted them out, why haven't they gone?" will become a growing crescendo. UKIP voters will have made up around a third of Leavers and they're not going to quietly retreat.

Exactly, we voted out so let's get out now.

The $64k question is....which country will be next to 'Brexit' the EU? Germany, France or Spain? I'd challenge the Prime Minister/Chancellor of these countries to offer a Referendum to his/her citizens like Prime Minister Cameron has done here. This is the beginning of the end of the EU in its current form...au revoir and good luck to those we left behind.

We'll never get another, or PR, ever.

knottty,

""maths not your strong point. """

I fear ye may have scored an incredible own goal, rather like the conservative and unionist party.

The facts are that 36% of those eligible to vote voted LEAVE.

Please revise your statement.
There is more than a touch of the brexit exaggeration about it, I feel.

So instead of waffling about the vote which is done and dusted. lets see what we would do now with the country!!
I for one would bring back National service to all teenagers at the age of 18 after finishing school for 2 years so they all have a work Ethic, Respect and hopefully a great start in life after.

will be 71 million in 50 years time...well done sean glad someone noticed my deliberate mistake.

Interesting points, rob, spyke, and cyclops.

Except for abuse by the ruling classes, I think a couple of years in something like the Civil Defence ( Ireland) would certainly do a lot of good for youngsters.
There's too much mollycoddling nowadays, imo.

My grandkids in Switzerland ( an awful place for regimentation) have to knuckle under from an early age; their spiele -gruppe starts age FOUR,  and they have to learn to WALK to school on their own; have to put on and take off their coats on their own; have to walk in the forest whatever the weather.
It certainly toughens them up.

Unlike cyclops, I see a weakening in the species with the modern generation. Although food,  opportunities, and information availability are far more widespread today,
the decline of the old hungry fighters to be replaced by a smaller family of spoilt, soft, kids hasn't done us a lot of good, imo.

Spyke makes a good point about how folk periodically try to bring back a long gone past. At extreme times like now, the call for the same old things often goes up: death penalty, smoking in public places, national service, borstals, walled borders, etc etc.

Generally, I think it is difficult to turn back the clocks.
However, we can certainly learn a lot from the past, and, there is a crying need for folk to get back in touch with nature. Denying nature too much leaves us in an awful state.

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knot,
cheers, pal.
A daughter of mine went out with a politician ( I often see the wnkr on tv) and he told the thing they do is just say any old figure when put on the spot.
Most folk haven't a clue about figures. I learnt that when pricing up jobs. Like the head of the Bank of England, they don't know how much a pint of milk costs.
£350 million billion, wasn't it?

The 'Brexit' vote is not a vote for Farage/Ukip, Boris, anti-multiculturalism or xenophobia but a vote for self governing, against EU bureaucrats/bureaucracy, mega annual EU budget contributions, bailing out other EU weaker economy eg Greece, and free trade. It is not anti immigration either.

That may be true for you impossible but you are in the company of every racist and xenophobe in this country.

The way the more hardcore anti Europeans seem to be brushing the immigration etc issue under the carpet is really quite confusing. Sorry fellers but it aint going anywhere for a generation or 3 now and is only going to get bigger not go away.

Sorry but it is incredibly naive to think it's just going to go away now and when Biffo gets it together that everybody will forget about it. We stand a very good chance of a traditional English fudge (half price!) and no one is going to be happy. In fact a few will be decidedly less happy than last week and might not be afraid to do something about it.

I wouldn't bother giving an explanation about anything to someone who goes around calling people racists.

As far as I'm concerned they're not worth the trouble.

You must be 1 of the hardcore anti europeans then as they seem to be implying the same thing (more and more so as time goes on) as the left wing thugs judging by some of the views expressed on this forum and others I've read about the brexiteers who voted because of any other reason than the sovereign thing.

Impossible666, sonny,

ye seem to have not thought things through.

Self-determination, if it is your principle, has to apply to everyone.

IRELAND  and SCOTLAND  voted to remain in the EU.

Why do ye deny our rights and chat about borders?

In the kingdom ye dominate, 33% of those eligible to vote voted like ye for brexit.

I suggest ye refrain from chatting about democracy.
Yes, in your own land, ye should be allowed to brexit if ye wish, but don't be dragging others with ye.

Furthermore, may I point out that
the territory claimed by your rulers that is actually on the continent of EUROPE  and nearest to AFRICA  ( all those refugees) actually voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU.

I refer to Gibraltar.
Do ye now think this place should be given back to SPAIN?

Seems strange that we want to deny the young to have the opportunity to vote and yet when troublesome times arrive we expect the very same young people to fight and defend their countrymen even if it means losing your life should it be necessary and that is termed a patriotic duty - a sense of irony and hyperbole prevails with some of the comments offered - if someone is old enough to fight (and possibly die) for their country they are most certainly old enough to vote for what they believe

HSBC have written saying my branch is closing, great opportunity to trim some fat and blame Brexit. I'm sure others will follow their lead.

They are trying to cause a revolt saddo, the media, etc, how fecking weak have they already made this country look? untold damage.

Now the MPs are threatened with losing potential EU jobs for themselves of the future, they are attempting to reverse a referendum it at all costs , ffs  and they think the public can't see through it?