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Huge shock coming to white working class brexit voters
Huge shock coming to white working class brexit voters
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"Eine Nation kann nicht frei werden und zugleich weiterhin andere Nationen zu unterdrücken"
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I think it's worth remembering, this was one time the sheep didn't follow the nonsense
Same sheep, different nonsense followed - and the remain 'scaremongering' hasn't been proved wrong yet as we've had 1 days of trading where sharp falls were recorded. Give it a few days, then see if leadership is called for and what the result of that is. This week will go a long way to deciding how this all goes. |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvgZkm1xWPE
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-spyker- of course there will be falls, it's probably going off the cliff tomorrow as people panic about "uncertainty", but is that a bad thing? Is it a bad thing that house prices might fall a bit? Is it bad that bankers might come off a pink cloud that made them richer and us all poorer? Will it be bad that that lots of Europeans consider moving somewhere else other than Britain?
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Here in Birmingham , we are preparing with some pre-arrange self-inflicting training - https://youtu.be/48E0H-WBuBY BRING IT ON
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Spock - from a purely selfish point of view i don't give a damn if there is an almighty crash and we have a complete redistribution of wealth a la Russia 1917! We are always being told by the right that everything should be run like a business, well are you seriously telling me that a business as 'healthy' as the U.K atm would make a decision to relocate or suchlike?
There are certain circumstances when a business could pull off something like this without a warchest - good, clean lines of credit or a charismatic leader perhaps - but we have maxed the overdaft to pay the loans and I don't rate this leadership at all. We are barely out of recovery and i can see the dirge of the last few years going on for generations if we are not careful. If we are going to do it the lets go the whole hog and build a capitalist economy with social democracy and meritocracy at it's heart and if i thought for 1 second something like that was on the cards then I'd be right behind it. You know as well as i do that is not what is going to happen, nothing like it. |
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Spyker, what are you talking about? I don't believe you are referring to this vote in the same sense as the 1917 revolution, but doesn't it occur to you that a certain downsizing wouldn't be beneficial to the UK in the long run? The country has lived off inflated, non-coherent investment for many years which has made life increasingly unsustainable and uncomfortable for the indigenous people of the country
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Have's and haves not's, Please respect this was a democratic vote despite the bias media and a poor lorry load of celebs, Big gob Geldof a real traitor, Irish man NOT! Takes the knighthood from the very system which oppressed the Irish for 800 years and does after dinner speeches' at the sun newspaper for £50 grand a gig, what a man! Get it in to your heads people have had enough of being run by money men and London, racism does not always come into this debate and vote...... Victory for working class people.... Come north and see the effects of being in Europe....
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Dr Crippen 26 Jun 16 18:52
"Let’s give our NHS the £350m the EU takes every week.".....SKY NEWS That's a suggestion, not a pledge from someone not in a position to deliver it. And yet how many of the voters more used to voting for Big Brother or the X-Factor were actually aware of that? I've even seen a video of one girl who voted out in the "referyendum" to use her word there, who now thinks she can't go to Disneyland Paris. |
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posy Joined: 18 Oct 03
Replies: 6609 26 Jun 16 20:45 I'm beginning to think there's nothing to worry about as our next prime minister might well decide not to give notice to the EU so we just continue as before Listening to this morning's news last night's comment appears spot on. |
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Will they Offer Cameron a huge Euro carrot to renage on the deal?
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Interesting that Boris says the only thing that will change is our adherence to EU law.
By saying that Brits will still be able to live and work in Europe implies that free movement of people won't be affected if he's leader, though I doubt he'd be elected on that ticket as it doesn't strike the xenophobic note that most leavers voted for. As has been remarked many times; those who voted to leave have no idea what the result of that vote will be. |
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Boris is a pragmatic politician and has no difficulty in making u turns.The fact he's already rowing back bodes well to me that nothing much will change.Would imagine this will end with the UK having a tailored relationship with Europe which satisfies both parties. A great political advantage of this is that UKIP will remain as a relevant party thus diluting the north of Watford labour vote;keeping Scotland in the UK and strengthening the Conservative party.
I'm feeling so much better about this especially hope Corbyn keeps his job. |
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Think that's rather rose-tinted, posy.
Agree with what you say about Boris, but the tories won't elect someone promoting "leave but not really". And even Boris will have to come out with some election platform; he can't just keep waffling on forever. As for wanting UKIP to remain relevant, even as a die hard tory, you surely realise that we need an effective opposition in this country? |
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cyclops the great majority of the parliamentary conservative party wanted to remain so a 'leave but not really' prime minister could be just the ticket.I'm not a great Boris fan however I have to admire his skill at seamlessly changing his colours and suspect he can waffle for quite some time yet.
I certainly don't want an effective opposition until the Tory party has sorted itself out. |
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Boris is uncannily like his father, amiable enough but clearly a sandwich short, Tom Sharpe might have invented em.
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A national crisis and huge dis-connect in both parties, but at last one of 'em has a plan ! Conservatives have a plot dubbed "ABB" (Anyone But Boris). I like Boris but he is just not responsible enough to be PM, and as cyclops said above, tories won't elect someone promoting "leave but not really"
Boris was the main figure on the leave side and without him the vote would probably have swung the other way, so some tories will want revenge and they will stop him being PM. Although he is odds-on fav with the bookies - but they did get the referendum result dramatically wrong ! |
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Yes, much ado about nothing.
Capitalism and the big global companies still rule and don't care. Being asked to choose between two factions of the ruling Con &U party - both called the other "liars" , their words not mine) was never going to achieve anything good, especially for us in the working class. We always cop the sh ite. -- charcrop: ye say about the "wishes of a nation". What about SCOTLAND and IRELAND? -- sPYKER, Good points, but why not go the whole way and work with us for a new system? Messing about with capitalism doesn't work. They tried to do that for years, and look where it got us. England, a rudderless nation ( no leader, no opposition) dictating to the people of Scotland and Ireland. That's not the way forward. |
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cyclops, I don't accept that many Brexit voters were xenophobic. Many of us would like to open more of our trade with Brazil, the US, Australia, New Zealand etc. etc. which can't happen inside the EU. My sole reason for voting was to remove the EU commission who will certainly lose their jobs if the move is mirrored in other member states.
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sageform,
The Brexit vote was a vote for more self governance and against Brussels ever growing band of unelected bureaucrats and bureaucracy. It's also for free trade. It's not against immigration, but more controls over affairs concerning Britain. |
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Avoiding the issue to say it's not about immigration inho. For some it was just one among many concerns, for others, that's all it was about, ignoring em will bring trouble down the line
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You've got to laugh..
A caller on LBC just said he voted leave because he lives with some Hungarians and was "sick of them speaking Hungarian all the time". |
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If we end up as a member of the EEA in order to retain our rights to the EFTA (which is looking like the most likely outcome at this stage), then at the eventual end of the 'divorce' fromt he EU, we will:
1) Still be paying an annual membership fee to give us access to the EFTA. Though this will undoubtedly be less than we currently pay (£7-9bn/year depending on who you believe), we will still be paying to be in, and the difference will not be being made available to public services (as this is not the Conservative way). 2) Still have to adhere to the majority of (possibly all) EU rules in order to be allowed to have 1), but without a seat at the table or a voice in order to help write these rules 3) Still have to agree to the free movement of labour in order to have 1) So we are likely to effectively have the same things in place, but with a significantly weakened position within Europe. I would suggest a lot of Brexit voters thought they were voting against some if not all of the above |
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It will make such a difference, will only be able to afford smoked salmon 5 days a week now
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My next door neighbour is married to a Hungarian lady and they voted out. She dislikes Poles.
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When the EU collapses which it will because it's failing system then nobody will have to pay in and stick to rules, I don't mind a downswing while it happens because the big upswing will be worth the wait. It's like a game of poker just a matter of time and it will come when the french get their referendum. Got to love the remain voters hanging onto a 2nd vote only about 1000/1
 Keep dreaming. |
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If the EU is so great why is Brussels so frightened of Brexit contagion?
Why do they feel the need to make an example of Britain to deter others. Its like a member of a cult leaving. People making their own decisions cannot be allowed in order to maintain control. |
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The world is entering a very dangerous phase we need a strong Europe to keep Putin in Russia and that other idiot Trump in America. If europe did break up then putin would annex about half of it. Think in one way it should serve europe well as this has come as a shock and Merkel will have to ensure Europe becomes a democracy. Need a strong Europe either way as Trump, Putin and I have no plans Boris except play cricket will be a disaster.
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tim6 the biggest threat to our/everyones world is not Putins Russia it is the good ole USA/Israel alliance we are following them over a cliff,USA have bases/personel in 85 countries world wide isn,t that some sort of threat?,their neo-cons are off the fcuking wall.
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Ron - I have come to the conclusion after reading several of your posts ...
You are certainly not a Pillock ..... |
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Barney both Trump and Putin are a huge threat and as I said that is why we need a strong Europe eitherway. I think the leave side were duped by that buffoon Boris and it does leave Europe weaker but whats done is done and Europe now needs to get a grip on immigration and be more democratic. But at the end of the day without a strong Europe we are Fxxxd.
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"I think the leave side were duped by that buffoon Boris"
Don't be so ridiculous .......... Have some humility ..... |
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No Armaguedon then,still here then.
What a surprise, what a load of bollocks people continue to spout. Sour grapes in my opinion. |
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To say that those who voted for 'Leave' were duped by that buffoon Boris is a clear indication of how smug, arrogant, shallow, lacking ambition and non-progressive some of the 'Remain' voters are.
There's nothing wrong to ask for more self governance and less meddling by the bureaucrats at Brussels who have little or no connection to Britain except personal financial gains and a hunger for power. Grab this fortuitous opportunity with both hands, look forward and maximise the potentials post an EU exit. |
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Italian government needs to ask EU if they can break the rules and bail out their banks otherwise it's a bail-in for depositors. All because of Brexit.
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To say that those who voted for 'Leave' were duped by that buffoon Boris is a clear indication of how smug, arrogant, shallow, lacking ambition and non-progressive some of the 'Remain' voters are.
Leave voters on the politics forum are saying that anyone that voted leave to reduce immigration or because of the £350m lie are 'a new kind of stupid' so go figure. |
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That's why there is an age requirement that has to met before someone can vote.
They assume that by the age of eighteen most people are able to make a reasonable decision based on the evidence available. Which is not always the case. |
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A said this, B said that, so bleeding what, it is over, deal with it
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Deptford,
Indeed, the British people have spoken, accept the verdict and move on....onwards and upwards, infinity and beyond, I say! |
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As ever - the (EU) 'Control Freaks' do not like it when people around them are not completely compliant.
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