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I get the gist of what you are saying but voting to leave Europe won't make any difference to how we are governed. What staying in will do is promote peace and co-operation between us and our neighbours, we've had enough wars down the years.
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Britain Elects @britainelects · 8m8 minutes ago
Understood to be expecting the following #EUref polls: 20/06 ORB 20/06 YouGov 21/06 NatCen 21/06 Survation 23/06 Ipsos Mori 23/06 YouGov |
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Britain Elects @britainelects · 5m5 minutes ago
EU referendum poll: Remain: 53% (+5) Leave: 46% (-3) (via ORB, phone / ) Certain to vote. |
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Remain: 42% (-2)
Leave: 44% (+1) (via YouGov, online / 17 - 19 Jun) |
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Norway is nato
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The heroic 77 year old , was he the only yorkie to aid a damsel in distress? Is he going to vote LEAVE?
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This vote will be closer than many believe, the propaganda machine is doing it's best for the in vote, you talk to people around yourself you get a different picture.
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most people i know are very frightened by the possibly of brexit & extremely concerned about what will happen to them financially and with the possibility of jobs disappearing
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Why don't you go to the BBC's Daily Politics website and watch today's show. In particular the Norwegian MP 44 minutes in. Makes you think.
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Captain Christie:
You are rightly against war and racism. You must find it difficult living in Ireland where fighting has been going on for so long. |
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I was borm and live in the English midlands oldgit
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ouch
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Britain Elects @britainelects
EU referendum poll: Remain: 45% (-) Leave: 44% (+2) (via Survation, phone / 20 Jun) |
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Is the EU a success.Since the Euro has it helped .Does the EU save guard our contributions or does it indulge itself .Are the majority of Europes working class satisfied.
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More than 60 per cent of French voters now have an unfavourable view of the European Union while almost half the electorate in Germany, Spain and the Netherlands have also become Eurosceptic, new research reveals.
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The vote REMAIN are just voting for the establishment in the UK and Europe. Our youngsters will not own their own homes, not have free health care, work for ever to get a pension the list is endless. You can bet the kids of the establishment will not need to worry about any of these points Just like Beckham's kids. The first sign of problems and the kids of Greece, Portugal and Spain were hung out to dry.
But you REMAINERS keep voting for the establishment and keep them in the good life. You know it makes sense. They may throw you something, if you are good. |
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Rubbish Brigust
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What exactly is rubbish? Own their own home? Free health care? Work longer than us to get a pension? Perhaps you think Beckham is worried about us leaving so that his kids don't have to worry about these things. Perhaps you think the massive youth unemployment in Greece, Portugal and Spain had nothing to do with the establishment? It is not rubbish. None of it.
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Be brave and do not support the spivs ,failed politicians and greedy bastards from all over Europe.
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Surely it is common sense. We need skilled workers at the top end not endless low skilled cheap labour but our companies cannot get them in because we are in the EU.
Someone earning 100k will pay more to the Exchequer than 10 people earning 10k and only be a tenth of a drain on public services. The rewards of that are more money for the NHS and pensions. It is not rocket science. |
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It is all rubbish to just generalise about why people are voting either way. Everyone has their own reasons and opinions and just to say all remainers are the same is nonsense.
Both sides obviously have their pros and cons and its up to the individual to decide these and then evaluate what they want before voting. To say such a statement as the all the vote remain are just voting for the establishment in the UK and Europe is rubbish. If someone feels it is safer and financially advantageous to remain so that they can protect their family then what is wrong with that? While I am now beyond the endless scaremongering from both sides and just am ready to see what happens and then deal with it, you grouping the remainers as you put it together and giving them all one reason and one reason only for staying in is rubbish. You have your opinion, others have theirs- as we don't have a clue- and the politicians admit to this themselves- what a post brexit UK will look like it is wrong to put one reason and one reason only why people want to remain. Hence rubbish Brigust. |
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It wouls also mean less drain on housing, less drain on schools, less drain on prisons, less drain on doctors, less drain on the NHS. The list is endless.
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*would
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would it mean less drain on drains?
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If you vote to remain you are quite likely going to place future generations of British workers to either low wages or unemployment. Increased federalism from Europe has condemned 2 generations of young people in Europe to unemployment and low wages!!!
What is going through peoples minds is beyond me, the EU is a total failure for working people, a total betrayal hidden as increased worker protection and rights. What a lie that has become with youth unemployment running at over 35% in some of the so called lead countries. We have one chance to shape our own futures, we do not need to rely on the EU, currently we import more than we export so they will be crawling all over us not placing tariffs. Thankfully if we vote to stay in then we can just hope that the inevitable break up comes sooner or later. |
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The next comment is even more rubbish! So you are saying that companies can afford to pay whatever to UK skilled workers just so they pay more tax. Don't you think massively rising wages will make companies go bust and cause way higher problems! A massively inflated wage market means that businesses won't be able to continue as costs outweigh revenues! Businesses go bust leads to jobs getting lost leads to more unemployment leads to less taxation revenue. A recession Brigust. Love the theory can businesses can just pay what they want!!
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You haven't got a clue what it would look like? What have you been watching?
The REMAIN camp tell us by 2030 each family will be losing £4,300 a year. That is their worst case scenario. That is equivalent to no wage rises equivalent to inflation. I know lots of people who haven't had a wage rise for years. And that is their worst case scenario. The best case scenario of leaving is a wealthy country with good wages, proper jobs, a well financed health service and affordable homes all of which we will get if we start attracting top end skilled labour instead of millions of unskilled cheap labour. Do the sums. If you don't believe me listen to Lord Digby Jones. |
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Now we know- I agree with your last statement and do think the EU is on borrowed time in the longer run.
On the we import more than we export arent you concerned that this will create massive inflation and rising prices. The concensus is that if we leave sterling will weaken 15-20 percent meaning an increase in costs on imports. Surely this will be an issue. I hope and am sure it will rectify itself in time but rising prices won't be easy to combat over a post brexit period. |
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Opposition to the EU now runs at 60 per cent in France, 71 per cent in Greece, both higher than the 48 per cent opposition in the UK.
And this is what you want to join? Ffs they are all trying to leave the building. |
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Brigust- we will agree to disagree. That is the beauty of the referundum. Some of your points are valid others aren't. Saying all remainers are voting for one reason and that everyone is the same if they vote remain is rubbish as I said.
You want out- good luck to you. By friday morning the result will be known. |
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We don't want to join it Brigust- we are already in the EU.
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I want out but my money is on staying in. Clement Freud (I didn't know he was tainted) used to say if you want something bad enough bet on the alternative because if you lose you money you won't mind and if you lose your hopes at least you have some money to cheer you up. So I backed remain a few months ago.
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Clearly paginin sterling will fall and prices of imports will increase. The fact remains a little inflation is no bad thing and can even find its way into pay packets as bargaining power and higher company profits can help workers as well. There is virtually no inflation now.
Exports become cheaper so not all doom and gloom even in the short term if we leave. This is about running your country which is a business in many ways the way it needs to be run and not how the luvvies from London postcodes and Berlin would like to. |
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I have backed leave at 4s so see we are the same!!! In a way!
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paganin 21 Jun 16 14:52
We don't want to join it Brigust- we are already in the EU. The question then is surely, "would you vote to join the EU on Thursday on the terms we currently have". |
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What happens if countries who you trade with in the EU don't buy from you anymore Now We Know. There must be some sort of expected backlash and there are bound to be alternatives from Europe unless you have a monopoly. Then you have rising prices with reduced revenues...
The problem is we don't know. One business may be fine another may not. If you are that one that isn't your opinion of what happened after a brexit will be way different from the business where sales didnt change. That is the gamble of leaving from a economic perspective. |
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anyone watching debate tonight
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Very difficult question Saddo. Very difficult. Due to the fact, as I have spoken to you on this forum before, I have a company that exports to the EU then it obviously effects me massively more than some or most if we leave. I am trying to protect what I and my family have and for me this will be better protected by staying in the EU.
If we were out of the EU now and we were selling into the EU with no problems then I would not join that organisation. However as we are in the EU I havent a clue what will happen if we leave and that is too big a gamble for me to personally take. However everyone has different circumstances and opinions. |
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I remember about your business paganin, but most people don't have very much to lose as they see it, and the potential for a better way of life.
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