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Less well known jockeys who rode horses for me over the years. Sandy May rode our first winner on a horse called Tough Debate. Clive Candy also rode a few of ours but didn't win. Paul Nicholls rode Tough Debate when he was a jockey. Tom Grantham is still assistant to Roger Charlton I think. His father Tony Grantham was a very good NH jockey in the 60's Guy Upton rode Jefferies to 2 wins. Pat Murphy rode my only Cheltenham winner, Meister. Carl Llewellyn rode me a few as well, great jockey. You probably gather by now that my trainer in those days was Jim Old.
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I can remember Tony Murray riding Belted in the Derby (for Vernon Cross and Jack Ismay) when he was still an apprentice. He was about 200/1 and was in the front 3 coming into the straight. A few years later he rode Sea Pigeon in the Derby.
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Hiya Sparrow...here's a bit about your namesake....
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thanks mister e ..was at the curragh so only in ...smashing stuff from you and the rest of the lads ..those pathe news clips are so clear....
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Thanks Tambourine Man, I barely remember him, was it the 1950s?
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Didn't Brian Swift marry Scobie Breasley's daughter? May have had a son who rode for a while.
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Sparrow...I.d say 50's to mid 60's.
Here's ex champ apprentice Peter Boothman  Kipper Lynch  |
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Well done T.M,i have loved looking at these old pics.
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verbotene liebe 11 Aug 12 23:44
Typical of me that I know more about him as an apprentice than I do now!! Think it's known as oncoming dementia! I used to be able to reel off the first dozen in all the classics and big jumps races from the mid 70's to mid 80's, and still ahve a lucid memory of that era. However, sometimes I'll struggle to remember who won the Derby two years ago or who won the GN last years. Worrying indeed !!! --------- blackbarn 12 Aug 12 00:00 Verboten - glad I am not alone, but it's worse for me. Aged 12 (1964) I could recite every Derby and Grand National winner since inception (Diomed and Lottery respectively) and I could do most of the other classics too. My dad used to bet elderly friends (and blokes in the pub)that I could name the big two winners for the year they were born. He didnt lose much. Some of it sticks, but as you say it is the recent stuff that is the hardest. If I am still allowed to stop at 1964 (Santa Claus and Team Spirit) I can still perform. ------------------ It is the same with everybody - and whatever sport. There are 3 or four blokes in my Local - who can reel off whole Football teams, Goalscorers, Results etc - from decades ago .... Yet cannot recall who scored for their team a few games ago. I think that it is the excitement of Youth - and your INITIAL interest in anything - that is NEW at that time. That is why you remember it more - because it made such an INTIAL impression on you. Like the youngsters of today with their current heroes. When was the last time a horse had you 'sat on the end of your seat'? ....... EVEN Frankel! |
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no wun sun
Brian Swift's first wife was Loretta daughter of scobie. Son Jason rode for a while. Brian Swift named his stable Loretta Lodge in honour of his first wife. A beautiful yard that was made even better when terry mills owned it. Robert Mills currently trains from Loretta Lodge. |
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Thank you Mister E: I see no mention yet of another great favourite of mine L.C.(Clive)Parkes or Brian Lee and A.J.(Alec)Russell and John Corr
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no won sun, i remember clive parkes , was alec russell riding till his late 40s or am i mixing him up with someone else , cant for the life of me place brian lee though....
another of my fav jockey was g ramsbottom dont know if anyone has mentioned him either.... |
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Think i am right in saying Alec Russell was a standing dish at musselburgh used to ride a lovely old sprinter called merry-go-round could be my brain cells are going though all two of them but i was a nipper at the time.
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Before Frankie went through the card at Ascot A J Russell was the last man to go through the card, think it was at Bogside.
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Jack Ormstons Le Garcon D'or was another of Alec Russells best rides
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Few more names from the past.
Paul Jarman ML Thomas Gabrial (Squibs) Curran RF Buster Parnell Ray Carroll |
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Bobby Coogan
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There are three more that I dont think have has a mention yet
Dominic Forte M Greening H J Greenaway who was the father in law of Bill Maynard Jonnhy Greenaway until a few years ago used to go punting at most of the Yorkshire courses. |
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Bill Rickaby.
Jimmy Bleasdale. Edgar Britt. Joe Sime. |
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For older end here are some apprentice/trainer listings from late 50's.Workrider ...looks like Pat McCarron was retained by Harry Blackshaw back then....with thanks to Apprentice Blogspot.
   Hope they're readable. |
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Same for Jockey's
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In Google Chrome drop down the wrench list on the top right and Zoom up the text.
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As far as I remember Alec Russell rode till his 50's and I think injury forced him out in the end, I think he may have ridden in France before the war but I'm open to correction there, rode Le Garcon D'or who raced till he was 15. I am sure there was a Brian Lee and while Stan Smith was mentioned there was his unrelated namesakes Eph and Doug.
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Brian Lee was a well-known Northern lightweight jockey.
Rode plenty of winners, for many different stables... but primarily rode for Avril Vasey He rode 14 winners, and 37 placed horses in 1969. |
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Jeez Thank you for that onlooker thought I got him mixed up with the footballer/trainer and is Stan Clayton still around anyone? I think he went to Sweden as a trainer when he packed in around the end of the 60's early 70's, back of my mind says that A.C.(Tony) Rawlinson went with him.
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Mister E, did Peter Thrale train a November handicap winner round
about 1959, named either OPERATIC SOCIETY or PAUL JONES, if it was OPERATIC SOCIETY then he went on to win quite a few races for STAFF INGHAM after, my local racecourse was actually in Salford not Manchester, a bit of jounalistic license I think. |
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Baz.
Operatic Society, was trained after by CJ John Benstead. Won a lot of races at Brighton. Last time I was there they had a bar named after him. Guiness Bobby Coogan died a few years back. Did his apprenticeship at Epsom with Staff Ingham, he ladter described it as "penal servitude". Lovely thread good luck to all. |
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Did I back Andrew John..............Lee Vickers...........for Avril Vasey ...6f....onehundredtoone...........
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A couple from the 60s Nelson Guest and Bobby Elliot.
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Colin Nutter
John Matthias |
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Did anyone else notice? Mid to late sixties, if Harry Wragg sent just one runner to a meeting and if that runner was the then apprentice Graham Sexton's only ride it invariably won. Happy days indeed.
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Who can remember Richard Dicey, i took a day off work to back one of his, it won at 7/2 or 0/30
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Old time jockeys were always associated with an old time stable and there were very few free lance jockeys around fifty years ago. Just some of the associations I remember :-
In the north Peter Easterby - Jimmy Etherington (just before Birchy came along) Snowy Gray - Brian Connorton & Eric Apter Avril Beasley - Brian Henry & Brian Lee Jack Calvert - Johnny Greenaway Frank Carr - Ted Carter, later Clive Eccleston Pat Rohan - Johnny Seagrave & Russ Maddock (later went to Van Cutsem) & Geoff Oldroyd Tommy Shedden - Ted Larkin George Boyd - Norman Stirk & Norman McIntosh on the lightweights Jack Ormston - Alec Russell Buster Fenningworth - Geoff Littlewood & Albert 'Brig' Robson Mick Easterby - Lionel Brown & Jock Skilling Arthur Stephenson (flat) - Tommy Kelsey Denys Smith - Willie McGaskill Harry Blackshaw - Martin Blackshaw & Tommy Lappin (Ken Payne rescued Tommy from the scrap heap in 1973) Sam Hall - Joe Sime, Walter Bentley & Dennis Buckle Ernie Weymes - Peter Hetherington Alf Cooper - Cliff Parkes Jack Hardy - Colin Moss Bill Elsey - Edgar Britt & Eddie Hide Eric Cousins - George Cadwaldr I wasn't as au fait with the southern trainer - jockey combinations but a few of the less unfashionable southern based jockeys around in the 60s were :- Eddie Cracknell, Ron Sheather, Tony Rawlinson, Sammy Millbanks, Geordie Ramshaw, Bill Rickaby, Keith Temple- Nidd, Tommy Sturrock, Paul Tulk. |
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paulbu seems like only yesterday
 ....again some really cracking names to ponder ...most of those guys could do really low weights as well....fecking hell , think i 'll go get the mini cooper out..... |
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There weren't many jockeys weighing in at over 8st, even top class jocks such as Frankie Durr & Ron Hutchinson could do 7-12.
Of the jocks in my list, the heaviest would be Martin Blackshaw and Tommy Kelsey at around 9st. In my list for Avril Beasley please read Avril Vasey. Sorry Rufus! |
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i was thinking as much tbh...great days of horses carrying feather weights and trying to guess what trainer had plotted one up for the ces , i remember a horse called scoria running some great races but never seeming to hit the winning post when you wanted it ..cant remember who trained it either , early 70s ...
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Avril Vasey trained at Owston in the mid 60's. It was about a mile from where I lived. I was about 12 then and used to go and watch the horses training. Got to know a few of the lads. I remember some of the horses were named after local villages. One was called Skellow.
It sparked my lifelong interest in racing. |
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Scoria did win the Northumberland Plate in '72, trained by Colin Crossley.
One of Avril Vasey's biggest wins was with Zardia in the November Handicap in '68. Ray Still rode it claiming 5lb. Good stable. Lampardal was another good stayer from the stable. I saw it win at Teesside around 1968 with Brian Henry on board. |
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I was trying to remember who rode for Staff Ingham backed many a winner he trained
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I think Avril Vasey had a couple of "Norton's" - not motor-bikes, but Norton Priory was one. Did he train Ashford Lea? - he was a useful miler I think.
Searching on the web - Avril Vasey rode the first winner at Catterick in 1925 when jump racing returned there after a gap of several years; and he had a lucky escape in the Scottish National at Bogside in 1929 when his mount fell at the water jump, and he ended up unconscious and face down in the water, and got dragged out by Billy Rees whose mount had also fallen there. Scoria also won the Cesarewitch - Denis McKay rode (grandfather of Nicky?). He'd won the race the previous year too - on Floridian for Tommy Shedden. |