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Music Boy
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Dec 1984 Hong Kong.....................WR
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thats him guinness thanks , thought so mange , a fine jockey was brian , something tells me he rode brighton really well mange , or is that my memory playing tricks again...?
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some other old time jocks
Tony Murray Geoff Baxter Philip Waldron Richard Fox Compton Rodigeurs Mark Birch Robert Edmondson Tony Ives Des Cullen Duncan Keith Bill Williamson Ron Hutchinson Ernie Johnson Geoff Lewis Brian Jago Edward Hide |
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Without being rude i think Tony Murray had to have his face rearranged after an accident at liverpool i think.
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The horse that Taylor came off had originally been with Michael Jarvis and ran in the Chesham.As with so many that go to HK, it's name was changed. Phillipe Paqeuet ( Nuereyev's jockey)may have had his HK accident on the same horse, though not certain of that.
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wow hound dog ....lots of names to ponder over .....des cullen light weight jock of some repute ....long distances i seem to remember with low weights ...7st 7lb or around that....duncan keith a smashing rider , i think weight problems did for him...ernie johnson rheinegold v roberto...ron hutchison scottish rifle , belper, eddie hide , **** of the north , brian jago another light weight i think , weiry willie , the great aussie...smashing memories...
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You are correct verb...............He was in a coma for 3 months...........
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Another jockey i used to back a lot was Eddie Cracknell sure he was an aussie.
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frankie durr rode hittite glory to win the flying childers at doncaster at 100-1,beating music boy.
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"Without being rude i think Tony Murray had to have his face rearranged after an accident at liverpool i think." I knew Murray, that accident was at Windsor, got pitched from his mount and smashed his face against a concrete upright. He was in hospital a long time fractured his jaw in about 15 places and lost most of his teeth. Tragic end when he killed himself in his early 40's, took a mixture of drink and pills. His sister Judy said so many things contributed to him becoming unbalanced at the end. Health fears, had ulcers caused by years of dieting. He never got over the death of his father and a brother. Was heartbroken over seperation from his wife Jane. And behind his successful public image he was always worried about failure. His funeral was in Salisbury but his mother banned all racing people from it, she wanted the funeral for family only. |
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A story on which to reflect .............
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Won a right few Quid when Frankie Durr Won the Guineas on Rolland Gardens.
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Hound dog/ workrider;
i know brian Jago well, saw him last week. After 60years in the Epsom area he has just moved. Frank Morby and John McGinn visited him last year. He still hears from John gorton. Geordie Ramshaw is still about, enjoys a chat; Brian rouse has land and stables down near Horsham; Duncan Keith was steward at Banstead Football Club for years; been ill, but still hanging on Last saw Ray reader at a funeral a few years ago, he hadn't aged at all could probably still do 7 stone, I assume he is still about. Good to hear of Richard dicey, knew him in his epsom days. What happened to Alan Bond? The book on the Wootton Family covers most of Woooton, ingham, Smyth's lads etc. I will ask Brian about John Curant when I see him; john was a regular at Brian's parties with Rob. Edmonson, John McGinn, Dennis McKay etc. Happy days. Good luck to all thanks for the memories. |
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brilliant stuff mister e ..great to hear so many of them still around ...all that clean living does it eh....
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Im here for the "craic" as Ive said before...........But its nice to have a Propper Thread.......where the idiots cant contribute........for obvious reasons
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Alan Bond was a workrider for Godolphin in the early 2000s.
Whether he still is i don't know.. |
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^ yeah, great to hear about some of those old jocks again Mister E.
Re Robert Edmondson (he must be nearly 60 now), last seen him about 11 yrs ago, he was a work-rider for David Loder. A couple of other old jocks Sandy Barclay and Frankie's Dad, Franco Dettori. |
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They saythat the gangsters got at Franco ??????????
He was class..... |
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Great memories of Duncan Keith remember the countless times he lead all the way on one of W Nightingale's around Sandown in particular seem to remember a horse called Henry the Eighth.
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Walter would always say........If their good enough there lead all the way.
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Here's a few lads from Apprentice Blogspot...
Ray Reader and Stan Smith.  Dennis Letherby and Eddie Larkin  |
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Graham Sexton and Michael Kettle.
 Duncan Keith and Norman McIntosh.  |
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Brian Jago and Brian Henry.
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fantastic stuff tambourineman ..i'm right back there thanks mate...
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Did Alan Bond get the stable jock position at H Cecil's and then lose it after being "jocked" off in favour of Piggott or am i way off there?
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Eddie Cracknell and Willie Snaith
 Jock Wilson and Charlie Patton  |
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Ken Gethin and Derek Morris.
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"Did Alan Bond get the stable jock position at H Cecil's and then lose it..."
Bond was a very promising lad indeed. But not sure what happened at Cecil's. I think basically Cecil gave him his big chance and he wasn't ready for it, or too much too soon (?) but whatever it was it all went wrong in one season. |
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Recall Sandy Barclay ridding Royal Palace for N Murless but cannot remember if he lost the job but i am sure G Moore rode for Murless after that.
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Wrong was round, dod.
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Byline: Jason Ford
The recent victory of Green Laafe at Sharjah brought the name of Alan Bond back into the limelight. The 48-year-old grandfather will be remembered in Britain as the apprentice who won the title in both 1974 and 1975 when attached to Epsom trainer Ted Smythe, who "was better known for his jockeys than his horses", in Bond's words. Employed by Godolphin as a work-rider, he handed in his licence in 1995 after a stint in Germany, but decided to take it out again in 1999 to ride in Dubai, where he partners Satish Seemar-trained horses for members of Sheikh Mohammed's family. Bond has ridden more than 600 winners in his career, including in the Group 2 Ribblesdale Stakes at Royal Ascot for Henry Cecil and the late Lord Howard de Walden on Catalpa (grand-dam of Yorkshire Oaks winner Catchascatchcan). Along with Ray Still and Harry Valentine, he was invited to Dubai in 1980 to ride in the country's fledgling horseraces. "It was on the camel track and very much when the bosses wanted to stage it," he says. After returning for the following two years, he enjoyed five winters in Saudi Arabia. Bond has always tried to avoid the cold Newmarket winters, enjoying time in the West Indies, as well as having ridden in Qatar, Oman and India. He marvels at the changes since he first came to Dubai, saying: "It is so big now and the facilities are incredible, both here [at Nad Al Sheba] and in the yards." Bond says he is enjoying his time back in the saddle and is looking forward to a visit from wife Charmaine, who rides work for Sir Michael Stoute, later this week. He speaks proudly, too, of his only son, Noel, who works for BT in Cambridge, and 15-month-old grandson Dominic. |
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Alan Bond was The Golden Boy when he landed the Cecil Job,probably wasn't quite ready for it,but it was downhill all the way after that if my memory serves me right.
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Ted Smyth used to try and get his boys a good retainer when they had finished.
Duncan got the job at Nightingall's Dicey with Ryan Jarvis and Bond with Henry. In retrospect, the job probably at Cecil's came a bit soon. Ken Gethin has long gone, I saw his wife about six years ago, but don't know if she is around. Her father was trainer Peter Thrale. Walter Nightingall's daughter is living in Australia; I exchanged a few letters with her husband (Walter's son in law) last year. Ted Smyth had some good apprentices: Rouse, Keith, Bond, Dicey, Kettle etc. and a few that didn't make the "grade" but made it elsewhere; bookmaker the late Joe Jennings, and boxing promoter Frank mahoney. |
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This is apprentice jockeys with Ted Smyth's father Herbert in 1947.
The stables are gone and now housing. Think you will enjoy this work rider http://www.britishpathe.com/video/apprentice-jockeys-1/query/EPSOM+STABLE |
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Great stuff lads. Thanks to the boys who updated Robert Edmondson.
Didnt know about Tony Murrays demise, but remember him winning the Oaks on Ginevra, had my paper round money on at 8/1. Prob the last winner i backed.  |
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Brian Henry was probably responsible for getting me hooked on Racing...he rode Mary Moss to victory at 100/6 at Thirsk I think.
Half a Crown each way...a lot of Ale back then  |
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You have got me started now.
Here is another Pathe News from Vic Smyth's stables during the war. His Son Paul Smyth is the young boy. Paul did not know the film existed until I told him last year. http://www.britishpathe.com/video/keep-them-running-aka-keep-em-running/query/EPSOM+STABLE |
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Duncan Keith, a great favourite of mine and I remember backing him on I Say, who was 3rd in the Derby to the great Sea Bird.
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Whenever you saw Tony Murray interviewed what shone from him was that he was a clearly very intelligent man. His last job would have been racing manager to Arthur Budge who had good horses with Jimmy Fitzgerald such as Uncle Ernie, Danish King and Comeragh King - and many more.It just goes to show that you never know what is going on in someones mind.
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