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By:
onlooker
When: 11 Aug 12 13:56
There's a horse name to remember, ged - KithaironGrin - A handy little handicapper.

I will check up on Kithairon's riding arrangements later - after racing.
By:
onlooker
When: 11 Aug 12 14:03
Robert Edmondson was Champion Apprentice in 1972 - with 45 Winners.

The year after Pat Eddery was Champion Apprentice with 71 winners in 1971

Robert Edmondson was thought to be 'the next big thing'.

Pat Eddery rode 69 winners in his first season as a 'Full' Jockey in 1972
By:
Mister E
When: 11 Aug 12 14:10
Bob and John Curant were brothers from Fulham.
Apprenticed at Epsom.
Bob married the daughter of F. freeman the Cheltenham trainer.

John rode for Ken Payne inc. Kithairon.

Didnt know Bob, met John a few times, I will try and find out where he is.

John McGinn another one from that era has been in Kenya for thirty years, he was back last year and we met up.
he then worked for a breeding operation in devon but I heard that job may have finished.
By:
workrider
When: 11 Aug 12 14:12
onlooker see what you can find on w.r. annesley if you have a minute please , i think the mcgerrity brothers rode for him ...
By:
workrider
When: 11 Aug 12 14:14
john mcginn ,  another blast from the past mister e....
By:
bobbybocala
When: 11 Aug 12 14:33
oh to remember the good old days......when the stalls were 9 foot wide......that is according to wonky.......its horses these people are talking about wonky......not elephants inside in them.......its the shameless lack of an apology......not even a mention that he was bullshiitting again......the next thing he'l be telling ye ......he knows some of these guys.....
By:
ged
When: 11 Aug 12 14:53
WR Annesley is/was(?) Richard Annelsey. Trainer Mark Anthony as a 2yo in 1974 (won the Anglesey and Beresford Stakes) - bought by Marcos Lemos in the September and sent to Clive Brittain - beat the hitherto unbeaten Grundy in the mud in the Greenham in 1975.

Is he a member of the Irish peerage?
By:
ged
When: 11 Aug 12 14:54
*Trained Mark Anthony as a 2yo
By:
ged
When: 11 Aug 12 15:04
He also trained Kirsten Rausing's first winner outside Sweden. In 1976.
By:
clayfield1
When: 11 Aug 12 16:14
Anyone remember David Coats top apprentice from the late 60s, another South Yorkshire lad, Think he went off riding in sweden.
By:
onlooker
When: 11 Aug 12 17:06
David COATES shared the Apprentice Jockey Title with Richard DICEY in 1968

They both rode 40 winners.

David Coates 7st 0 lb - was apprenticed to D H Williams, at Ferryhill, County Durham

Richard Dicey 7st 8 lb - was apprenticed to Herbert Smyth at Epsom
By:
ged
When: 11 Aug 12 17:13
David Coates died about 10 years ago.

Richard Dicey soon ran into weight problems, but now has a business in Australia:-

rdiceyfreezebranding.com.au
By:
ged
When: 11 Aug 12 17:16
From his site:-

About Richard Dicey

I have always been involved with Horses in some manner. As a teenager I was  Champion Apprentice Jockey in England. At the time managing rides in England,  Ireland, Holland, France. As weight got the better of me, I rode for a time in  India before immigrating to Australia. In my time in Australia I have managed my  own 100 acre Agistment/Pre-Training Centre in Perth where I also broke- in  for  leading owners and trainers of the day. This is also where I established my  Freeze Branding business. I next spent time in New  Zealand on the look for a training facility. Instead I discovered Real Estate  and quickly rose to top listing agent and salesman in the Auckland area. The  weather finally got the better of me and I returned to Australia, locating in Brisbane. I continued selling and buying Houses (including purchasing this stables in Ballina in which i leased out for a few years) awhile until my children were of an age  that their desire for a horse of their own got the better of me. Starting with a  gorgeous wee Shetland, Gypsy, we went from strength to strength ending with a  team of 5 and 7 or so State Showjumping and Sporting Titles as well as EFA  Interschool Titles and a swag of Pony Club hardware. he interest in horses slowly grew towards the Racing Industry and my daughter, Tracy, became an apprentice jockey and son, William, relocated to Sydney to work as a trackrider and then travelling to the UK. While i got back into shape and starting riding track work and training for trainers such as Mr Adam Palmer, Health Coote etc

I recently re-obtained my trainers license.

I pride myself on my professional  abilities to handle the Horses in a humane and gentle way so that it is  a  positive experience for the Horse and the Owner.
By:
sparrow
When: 11 Aug 12 17:25
Michael Hayes was a favourite of mine when I first got interested in Racing. He rode for the Armstrong stable, but was tragically killed in a car crash.
By:
ged
When: 11 Aug 12 17:32
Picture of Michael hayes:-

http://theapprenticejockey.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/medley-of-jockeys-5.html
By:
ged
When: 11 Aug 12 17:37
Another picture of Michael Hayes, from same site, alongside Terry Stringer, with an excerpt about the 'Armstrong academy':-

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OIYKUQ-t9jc/Tzd8UJ8N0-I/AAAAAAAAA-I/4sR1pKFlCaU/s1600/Page+102.jpg
By:
sparrow
When: 11 Aug 12 17:40
Seen that picture,ged. There is also a British Pathe film of him winning at Royal Ascot as an apprentice at 15 in the Ascot Stakes.http://www.britishpathe.com/video/royal-ascot-22
By:
ged
When: 11 Aug 12 17:40
The first pic goes with the film then.
By:
ged
When: 11 Aug 12 17:47
Interesting that in the text on that page, it says that it was a Jockey Club rule that if an apprentice takes a ride outside the British isles, or a ride over jumps, that he has to immediately relinquish his apprentice licence, and take out a full jockey's licence. It affected Kipper Lynch the previous year because he took a ride at Ostend while still an apprentice. Is that still the case?
By:
mange
When: 11 Aug 12 18:10
Kipper Lynch played the violin...............
By:
workrider
When: 11 Aug 12 18:13
thanks for that ged , onlooker , i know there was a shared app title around that time ..got it wrong as usual ....nice piece on r dicey as well ged....
By:
blackbarn
When: 11 Aug 12 18:59
Re the Armstrong Academy - interesting how it worked on a "sire of sires" basis. "Tom" Jones who was assistant to Armstrong was also a great maker of jocks - Greville Starkey for example.
By:
flyingbolt
When: 11 Aug 12 21:03
Used to know Robert Edmondson when he was Champion Appentice.
I think weight problems where the reason he didn't progress.
By:
acey deucy
When: 11 Aug 12 21:09
I served my time with Robert Armstong,he had a few Decent Apprentices,Mick Miller and Bryn Crossley were probably the best.
By:
themightymac
When: 11 Aug 12 21:47
Mention of Robert Edmondson immediately makes me think of Owenbolinska, wrong spelling maybe. Cole had a great record bringing on apprentices, Robert Edmonson, David Dinely, Mark malham and Richard Quinn all spring to mind.

Anybody know what happened to another jockey destined for the top named Richard Sidebottom who rode for Denys Smith?
By:
themightymac
When: 11 Aug 12 21:48
Compton Rodriguez
By:
flyingbolt
When: 11 Aug 12 21:49
OwenbolisksaHappy
By:
guinness2dear
When: 11 Aug 12 21:50
Paul Coles last winner.

Kithairon posts on here sometimes. He must be getting on a bit now..
By:
themightymac
When: 11 Aug 12 21:51
Great memories of Owenboliska flyingbolt, he must have won umpteen races.

Rodriguez rode for Hobbs and I think it was Robert Sidebottom, not Richard.
By:
themightymac
When: 11 Aug 12 21:52
Did Kevin Leason not ride Kithairon G2D?
By:
guinness2dear
When: 11 Aug 12 21:54
Do you mean Kevin who became Karen ?
By:
themightymac
When: 11 Aug 12 21:57
Yes mate, Kevin at the time. Used to love Ken Payne`s regular raiders at Hamilton.
By:
acey deucy
When: 11 Aug 12 21:59
Robert Sidebottom is now a Stipendiaty Steward.
By:
guinness2dear
When: 11 Aug 12 21:59
Aye think he did, although i think John Currant was up when he won at 33s...
By:
acey deucy
When: 11 Aug 12 22:00
Stipendiary-even.
By:
PillHead
When: 11 Aug 12 22:17
Anyone remember Keith Temple-Nidd
By:
guinness2dear
When: 11 Aug 12 22:24
He rode for Gavin Hunter i believe.

Must be nearly 80 now if hopefully he is still with us..
By:
Al Dente
When: 11 Aug 12 22:32
Yes, he would be 78 now (10 years on me)but I haven't a clue whether he is still with us. Good bit of a read....
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Where+Are+They+Now%3F%3A+Real+survivor+who+kept+coming+back+to+defy+the...-a070010522
By:
blackbarn
When: 11 Aug 12 22:32
Hey Guinness, trust you! Think Keith T-N rode in a classic!!  Placed in one too, I think, always fascinated by his name as a kid, so probably early sixties.  Has any double-barreled jockey ever been placed in a classic?
By:
guinness2dear
When: 11 Aug 12 22:33
Hey acey do you remember Paul Tulk ? doesn't seem to get mentioned on ere much (if ever)

He used to ride for Roberts dad..
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