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By:
blackbarn
When: 16 Oct 12 18:20
Re the references below to the Duc and to Jeremy Speid Soote.  I am pretty sure that JSS also rode in the 1966 Grand National along with the great Duc. No idea what he rode but it was close to the bottom of the handicap. Anyone know?
By:
WHITWHITLAW
When: 16 Oct 12 18:45
The full name of the (18th) Duke of Aburquerque was Beltrán Alfonso Osorio y Díez de Rivera.
During the 1974 race, he barged into Ron Barry at the second canal turn. Barry asked "What the **** are you doing?", to which he replied: "My dear chap I haven't a clue...I've never got this far before!"

Born on 15th December 1918, he never won the Grand National, but broke more bones than any other jockey in attempting to do so.

He died on 18th February, 1994

BLACKBARN....Jeremey Speid-Soote rode Black Spot in the 1966 National
By:
ged
When: 16 Oct 12 18:56
Four of the jockeys engaged to ride in the race were involved in a car crash in the Liverpool area on the Thursday night before the National, and they were all taken to Walton Hospital - Jeff King, Tim Norman (Anglo), Owen O'Neill and Andy Turnell. Only O'Neill was detained (cracked shoulder and hip injury). Jeff King was down to ride the top weight, the Japanese horse Fujino-O. 40 of the 52 on the card Including Anglo) were set to carry 10-0. Freddie had 11-7.
By:
ged
When: 16 Oct 12 19:04
..soory there's few numbers missing in the card - more like 36 of 47 on the morning card.
By:
forgotmyusername
When: 16 Oct 12 22:27
Blackbarn. Jeremy Speid-Soote also rode 40/1 shot Vulcano in the National in '67. An early faller I think. Any one out there got help for me regarding my Nimrod/Jumbo Wilkinson request?
By:
TambourineMan.
When: 16 Oct 12 23:05
Forgotmy username

This is Jumbo's Obit. from RP in 2000....

Jumbo Wilkinson, the former jump jockey and Middleham trainer, died in hospital yesterday following a short illness. He was 67.

One of racing's great characters, Wilkinson was a leading northern jump jockey for 17 years, and rode more than 300 winners from 3,000 rides.

His 29-year training career produced over 200 winners, with the 1986 Scottish Grand National victory of Hardy Lad the highlight.

Other good horses trained by Wilkinson included Kelso Chant, winner of 15 races-notably Ascot's Long Walk Hurdle; Be My Guest, winner of Haydock's Premier Long Distance Hurdle; prolific scorers Chip Chase and Eboracum; and Armagret, whose 13 wins included the valuable Marston Moor Chase at Wetherby.

Wilkinson served his time with Bobby Renton and Jack Fawcus. In eight Grand National rides, he was fourth on Glorious Twelfth in 1957 and third on Clear Profit in 1960 and failed to complete the course just once.

He had his share of injuries, including five fractured legs, and once estimated he spent a total of two years in hospital while riding.

Wilkinson handed in his training licence four years ago due to a lack of horses but continued to live at his Fell View Stables, East Witton, now the base of Kate Milligan.

The first winner he trained was Bubbled Over at Beverley in 1967. His last was Netherby Said at Market Rasen in 1996.

He never had more than 20 horses at any one time and, on retiring, said: "Training is a way of life and I wouldn't be packing in now if we had more horses. It's a sad day but I've no regrets-the game has been good to me and I'd do it all again, given half the chance."

Chris Thornton said: "When I first knew him, Jumbo was a highly respected jockey, probably one of the best of his era, and I've known him throughout his training career.

"He was of the old school, a hard worker who produced the goods when he had the right horse. He was very tough and would ride out the worst horses in the yard, never asking his staff to do anything that he wouldn't do. He was a real character and a good man to have at a party, being full of fascinating stories from the old days."

Milligan said: "Jumbo was the only reason I started training. He rode winners for my grandmother, trained winners-including Hardy Lad-for my parents, and I used to spend all my school holidays at the yard. He taught me such a lot."

Ex-jockey Steve Charlton, now a valet, said: "I rode quite a few winners for Jumbo, including Kelso Chant in the Long Walk. He was a lovely guy, who always had a joke to tell. He had some horrific falls but always made light of them. They don't make them like him any more."

David Munro, who also rode winners for Wilkinson, said: "He was a wonderful man, a good horseman, great company and a fearless jockey."

Wilkinson leaves a widow, two sons and a daughter. Funeral arrangements have yet to be finalised.
COPYRIGHT 2000 MGN LTD

In the 1969/70 Form a N. Wilkinson is a registered Jock in Leyburn riding for Trainer B.Wilkinson which I'm sure was Jumbo.
There's also a pick of one Nim Wilkinson on his Golden Wedding in Leyburn...which I think is recent.
I would guess they were related ...similar ages maybe brothers or cousins...perhaps someone here knows.
By:
PAULBU
When: 16 Oct 12 23:21
Yeah, Nimrod and Jumbo are two entirely Wilkinsons. Jumbo was listed as B Wilkinson. Nimrod is still around as far as I know.
By:
collywobble
When: 16 Oct 12 23:21
Kelso Chant, what a horse that was. I'd forgotten about it. Won me a few quid that one.
By:
guardamar
When: 16 Oct 12 23:40
in reply to Forgotmyusername.  I was at Castle Irwell Manchester 1954 or 1955 with my Dad,remember JUMBO WILKINSO  riding a winner, it was called Pearly Secret . Maybe WHITWHITLAW COULD VERIFY if that is correct but i think that was the horses name,if he was 67 in 2,000 then he would have been only 21 0r 22
By:
PAULBU
When: 17 Oct 12 03:01
Yeah, Nimrod and Jumbo are two entirely different Wilkinsons. Jumbo was listed as B Wilkinson. Nimrod is still around as far as I know. Both rode for trainer Jack Fawcus so there could be a family connection.
By:
WHITWHITLAW
When: 17 Oct 12 06:33
guardamar.....There has never been a horse called Pearly Secret.

The only Pearlys to have run at Manchester from 1950 -1956 were Pearly Princess (D.Smith –Sept 54) and Pearly Festival ((P.Cullis – Dec 56).

B Wilkinson won at Manchester on Game Field Jan 28 1955, Cruachan Jan 28 1956, then rode a double on Cruachan and Rowand Ward on March 2 1956. He began training later that year.
By:
guardamar
When: 17 Oct 12 08:58
Thank you WHITWHITLAW  the horse  i was referring to was Pearly Festival and it was ridden as you say by P.Cullis i thought it was JUMBO WILKINSON. i remember CRUACHAN and GAME FIELD did Bobby RENTON OR JACK FAWCUS TRAIN ANY OF THOSE HORSES?
By:
WHITWHITLAW
When: 17 Oct 12 09:27
guardamar......Pearly Festival was trained by J Bissill, Bobby Renton trained Cruachan. Jack Fawcus trained Game Field.
By:
guardamar
When: 17 Oct 12 09:53
Charlie Smirke.  In 1958 i was apprented to Boggy Whelan at Epsom,  I had only been there a few weeks and as always in those days they would only let you ride "The Hack" (AN OLD RETIRED IN THIS CASE USELESS RACEHORSE) The Hack was one of the the most difficult horses when a "Complete novice" was riding him out. I was instructed to trot him up and down Chalk Lane which leads up to the grandstand. The Hack was giving me a terrible time bucking and kicking doing everything to get rid of me. As i was on my own i was terrified. Along came this guy riding a horse from Peter Ashworths stable on his own. He stayed with me for an hour showing me how to sit properly ,keeping my hands down ,position of my toes in the irons,in the end the old Hack settled ,and the dark haired rider accompaniad me back to Boggy Whelan stable. Just as we arrived our head lad Titch Grantham came out of the gates. I heard him say Morning Charlie to the guy as he rode away. I ASKED TITCH WHO HE WAS   "One of the greatest jockeys of them  all.Charlie Smirke"   yes i had a pretty good teacher that day in march 1958.
By:
Mister E
When: 17 Oct 12 11:47
Charlie was an enigma.
When B Jago was claiming seven and sitting on his own in the weighing room at Epsom, Charlie said come upstairs and watch this kid ride Epsom with me, he is brilliant.
The "kid" was Lester Piggott. As Lester rode the course Charlie talked Brian through the race, pointing out Lesters tactics. It was a kind action.
When they returned to the weighing room, Charlie picked a row with Doug Smith. "we can all learn off this kid" he shouted at Dougie.

I heard Tich Grantham's name before, "Muddy" King Epsom's leg man, who spent fifty years in racing as lad, jockey, trainer told me Tich was the best he saw.
By:
Mister E
When: 17 Oct 12 11:52
Some great memories on this thread.
Somebody mentioned Firefright.
I think Bill Marshall trained him to win over hurdles too. In those days Bill Smith or a conditional Mick Wagner rode Bill's hurdlers.
Dont remember Firefright with Peter Supple. Peter trained near Dartford, had a lot of Hong Kong owners, and at one stage was flying. Greville was retained for a large sum if the stories were right. Peter had a good apprentice with the name Trent Bridge.

Peter Supple, Mick Wagner and Trent Bridge anybody know what happened to them?
By:
forgotmyusername
When: 17 Oct 12 11:55
Lads, many thanks for the info re the Wilkinson jockeys. This thread has to be one of the most informative I have seen on here.
By:
workrider
When: 17 Oct 12 11:59
its great to have such knowledgeable fellows at our fingertips alright ..blessed are we among wizards....
By:
guardamar
When: 17 Oct 12 12:31
In reply to Mister E regards Brian Jago, he was with Ron Smyth in 1958, He got the job riding for Arthur Budgett ,it didnt work out great ,there were some good lads in Epsom at that time. Geoff Lewis ,Duncan Keith, Jimmy Uttley with Staff Ingham,i also remember Joe Jennings who was with Ted Smyth i think that Joe jennings was the very succesful bookmaker in later years based in the South East but iam not sure about that ,maybe someone could confirm that
By:
reculver
When: 17 Oct 12 14:08
Cork Langer.
Mornington cannon was my father in law.Laugh

Tambourine man
i was uot with Steve charlton a few weeks ago and we spoke about Kelso chant,charlo's a nice guy and a good laugh.

Guardamar,
The said Joe Jennings the bookie was a jockey.
By:
TambourineMan.
When: 17 Oct 12 14:22
Reculver
Is Steve related to George Charlton?
By:
reculver
When: 17 Oct 12 14:24
I NEVER SPOKE TO HIM ABOUT IT TM,I KNOW THERE WAS A JOCKEY CALLED A.Charlton riding around the same time who he wasn't related to.
By:
WHITWHITLAW
When: 17 Oct 12 14:28
On the day that Mornington Cannon was born, 21st May 1873, his father Tom Cannon had ridden the colt Mornington to victory at Bath. As well as the name, Cannon Snr also passed on his talents of beautiful horsemanship. Morny was still only 13 when he rode his first winner, becoming a leading jockey and Champion 6 times. Not keen on the new American crouching style which was sweeping the country, Morny made a slight concession by hitching up his stirrup leathers a notch or two. After his days in the saddle Mornington Cannon retired to Brighton where he lived for many years.

Mornington Cannon would have ridden two Triple Crown winners had not Diamond Jubilee taken exception to him, rolling on him after a gallop just before the 2000 Guineas.

Cannon's great nephew is Lester Piggott.
Important successes:
2000 Guineas
Flying Fox 
1899   (J)

    Derby
Flying Fox 
1899   (J)

    Oaks
La Roche      1900   (J)
Our Lassie      1903   (J)


St Leger
Throstle      1894   (J)
     
Flying Fox 
1899   (J)

    Other major race(s)

Middle Park Plate     Galtee More 
1896   (J)
Doncaster Cup     Winkfield's Pride 
1897   (J)
Lincolnshire Handicap     Winkfield's Pride 
1897   (J)
Eclipse Stakes     Flying Fox 
1899   (J)
Ascot Gold Cup     William the Third 
1902   (J)
By:
clayfield1
When: 17 Oct 12 15:25
FORGOTMYUSERNAME, their was an ex jockey used to live in Middleham called Boots willkinson, He used to live were Micky Hammond now trains, just as you are going out of Middleham. Think he now lives Thirsk way on.
By:
TambourineMan.
When: 17 Oct 12 15:26
Re Brian Jago...great lightweight in his day...this article from 2001 so i think he would be 73 today.




AS another renewal of the Derby approaches one lucky stopover for jockeys riding in our premier Classic is a thing of the past.

Though Brian Jago rarely rode in the big race himself, his house in Epsom's Albert Road was a regular overnight dwelling for many saddlemen that went on to glory the following afternoon.

Now 62 and living in Cheam, Jago recalled: "We were quite popular as we had a sauna and many of the boys stayed with us.

Pat Eddery was with us in 1975 when he won on Grundy, Greville Starkey three years later when he won on Shirley Heights and Walter Swinburn was another the year he won on Shergar. Steve Cauthen also came once or twice."

Jago, a popular lightweight until his retiral in the early 1980's, sat on some decent horses during his career including triple champion hurdler Persian War, Gold Rod, Joshua and Welsh Rarebit while his biggest victory came aboard Tom Cribb, in the 1973 Northumberland Plate.

He said: "Tom Cribb was a savage. If he was crowded out, he'd think nothing of grabbing another horse or a jockey for that matter.

"Though he was only tiny, he carried some big weights. he had plenty of ability but he was a dirty little devil."

Like many pilots of his era, Jago often found himself 'jocked' off by Lester Piggott and the 'Long Fellow' eventually secured the ride on Tom Cribb when injury dealt its cruel hand of fate.

"I got badly smashed up in a fall at Sandown in 1974 and the owners asked Lester to ride him at Ascot.

While I was laid up in hospital Lester phoned me to find out all about the horse and I told him everything he needed to know - needless to say they won."

Injuries, such as broken pelvis, foot and hand, were a regular part of Jago's life which saw him ply his trade in exotic locations such as Kenya, Mauritius, South Africa and Singapore.

Despite his spells on the sidelines he still bagged many decent prizes including the Liverpool Spring Cup, the Newbury Spring Cup, the Champagne Stakes and the November Handicap.

In the twilight of his time in the saddle, Jago enjoyed a fruitful relationship with Pat Haslam before he embarked on a new career building house extensions and conservatories.

Nowadays his weight may be just over nine stones but his connection with racing is all but severed and he has lost touch with most of his weighing-room contempories.
COPYRIGHT 2001 Scottish Daily Record & Sunday
By:
WHITWHITLAW
When: 17 Oct 12 15:28
Mornington Cannon

http://community.cdnbf.net/community.betfair.com/user/whitwhitlaw/92710ca21d86d2ceefc97ce7d80d6d51.jpg?v=90024
By:
ged
When: 17 Oct 12 18:33
Whit - can you check (for sure) whether the race the horse Mornington won on 21/5/1873 was at Bath, or at Epsom (the City and Suburban)? I see conflicting info on the web.
By:
ged
When: 17 Oct 12 18:41
Mornington Cannon had a brother, (Walter) Kempton Cannon, born Nov 21 (no flat racing that day?). He married Letitia Watts, widow of John Watts, who rode 19 classic winners, and had been apprenticed to Tom Cannon snr.

John Watts's son was John E Watts who trained Call Boy, the 1927 Derby winner.

His grandson was John F Watts who trained Indiana, 1964 Leger winner.

His great grandson was John W (Bill) Watts, who trained Waterloo and Teleprompter.



Mornington Albert Wing (known as Morny Wing) was champion jockey in Ireland 9 times between the wars, though born in Yorkshire. He rode the winners of 23 Irish classics. Still a record?
By:
tommysmum
When: 17 Oct 12 20:42
Question, where was the above photo of B Jago taken?
By:
WHITWHITLAW
When: 17 Oct 12 22:29
ged.........On Wednesday May 21 1873, Mornington won at what was then known as The Bath & Somerset County Meeting. The following link shows the actual race.

http://community.cdnbf.net/community.betfair.com/user/whitwhitlaw/8bd7686782f6277342145fd0bb5d71cb.png?v=140192
By:
PAULBU
When: 17 Oct 12 23:10
Re Brian Jago, I don't recall him being a 'lightweight' in the true sense of the word. As a fully fledged jockey he could do less than 8st but 7st 7lb would have been a struggle.

guardamar, great stories, keep them coming, tell us about Kamandu being 'laid out' for the Hunt Cup.
By:
TambourineMan.
When: 17 Oct 12 23:31
Guardamar

This is Joe Jennings RP. report of his death from 2002.

JOE JENNINGS, one of the best-known characters in the off-course betting industry, died in his sleep while holidaying on the Caribbean island of Tobago on Saturday. He was 58.

Described yesterday by one associate as "a little man with a big personality", Jennings was an apprentice jockey with Ted Smyth in Epsom from 1956-59 before joining forces with his father Tom in the bookmaking business in 1961 when betting was legalised.

Under the banner of Jennings Bookmakers, the pair began from a single shop in Harlow, Essex. With help from his brother Terry and sister Carol, the business continued to expand until 1995, when it was split three different ways.

Jennings's side of the firm, Joe Jennings Ltd, had around 30 shops, concentrated in the Isle of Man, Jersey and the Home Counties, and he was both an annual sponsor at Newmarket and a regular racegoer.

Jennings, who was twice divorced and a father of five, had not been ill and his family, friends and employees have been deeply shocked by the suddenness of his death. No funeral arrangements will be made until the body has been flown back to Britain.

Although his riding career only yielded a couple of winners, Jennings never tired of relating how he was involved in a photo-finish for the Wokingham Handicap, in which he lost the verdict to Lester Piggott.

Over the years he had shares in a number of horses, but nothing of any particular note.

His nephew, Greg Knight, said yesterday: "Joe was very well known in the betting industry and in racing circles, and a big party animal. Anybody he came across certainly knew they had met him. He was always full of energy.

"Joe also enjoyed boxing and ran an amateur football team in the Harlow area for 20-odd years-he must have been the most corrupt linesman in history!"

Warwick Bartlett, chairman of the British Betting Office Association, said: "Joe will be sorely missed because he was one of the great characters of the industry.

"He was a real bookmaker, a great supporter of the BBOA, and a terrific independent bookmaker

"His death is a big loss to the industry."
COPYRIGHT 2002 MGN LTD
By:
ged
When: 18 Oct 12 08:18
Whit - thanks again. For the sake of completeness (and my curiosity), can you tell me who won the City and Sub that year, and the date? Thanks(!).

This link:-

http://www.galopp-sieger.de/galoppsieger/en/sieger?rennkz=EEpsCiSu&backlink=1

..is to a German site that has winners of the City and Sub going back to 1853 - and they show Mornington as the winner in 1873, with the comment (I think - it's in German) - that Tom Cannon rode the winner on the date of 21/5/1873, leading to the naming of his son.
By:
guardamar
When: 18 Oct 12 09:31
Workrider. Yes we are amongst wizards and sometimes in the Racing Game we are sometimes not aware. In the very early sixties i used to go racing acouple of times a week with Frank Carr and Teddy Carter always grabbing the back seat ,often a big guy who took up more than half the back seat came with us ,i just knew him as "Bob" One day because Frank had to go to another meeting  I had the task of saddling the only runner at Hamilton Park. Frank said "Bob" would be there and he would come into the paddock to see me. I was standing in the paddock waiting for the jockey when i see "Bob" and another guy walking towards me . As Bob approached he introduced  me  to his friend who had a strong scotch accent unlike Bob who was a geordie. "this is my friend Bill" We chatted for about five minutes legged the jockey up and then we parted company. These was the days before Instant celebretity,Ihad just  been  in the company of what any Liverpool  F.C. supporter would die for, Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley
By:
WHITWHITLAW
When: 18 Oct 12 10:32
Ged………The City & Suburban…..First run in 1851, the filly Virago won this race, the mile longer Great Metropolitan Handicap and two more in April at York before going on to win that years’ 1,000 Guineas in early May (1854). Bit of a money-spinner!

Mornington Cannon was originally called Herbert but, after riding Mornington to victory on the day Herbert was born, his father Tom decided to add the horse’s name to his son’s. Tom Cannon became Clerk of the Course at Stockbridge and subsequently bought an inn in the town before he died.
Tom Cannon won the City & Suburban on the 40/1 outsider Mornington on April 22nd  1873.

The links are the betting on the race, the full field, race commentary and the next day’s write-up.

http://community.cdnbf.net/community.betfair.com/user/whitwhitlaw/ab617f179db7cdb091a1183d7e978403.png?v=158850

http://community.cdnbf.net/community.betfair.com/user/whitwhitlaw/e768ce0d18eb72596d3625a48a40a060.png?v=142650

http://community.cdnbf.net/community.betfair.com/user/whitwhitlaw/e7b66119b97d2b5a589fbb9d95cb788f.png?v=141750

http://community.cdnbf.net/community.betfair.com/user/whitwhitlaw/52ee59ff86f7e9890a6dc58ac6da89d3.png?v=170100
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ged
When: 18 Oct 12 11:17
Great stuff. Sounds like a fine race, with Cremorne a close 2nd. Cremorne went on to win the Ascot Gold cup, having won the previous year's Derby and Grand Prix de Paris, was 2nd in the 2000gns, and in all won 20 of 26. According to Michael Church, Cremorne was "always a gluttonous horse, requiring a good deal of exercise, and was found dead on the moring of January 7th, 1883 from a rupture of the heart, caused by lack of physical activity and over-eating". He was probably doomed from birth, as he was by Parmesan, who in turn was by Sweetmeat out of Gruyere.
By:
ged
When: 18 Oct 12 11:20
I remember Vernon Cross used to train at Stockbridge. I'm not sure anybody does now.
By:
guardamar
When: 18 Oct 12 13:23
Paulbu. I had parted company with Frank Carr by the time Kamandu won the Hunt Cup,but talking of "Laying One Out" maybe this would be of interest to you. We will need Whitwhitlaw if he wouldnt mind to verify dates and places. Frank Carr was years ahead of his time regards Betting,maybe the many years he had spent "spiving" the meetings had helped. He called me into his office one day and told me he had a plan. We had a horse, a maiden in theyard at the time,and it had been working very well with the older horses on the home gallops. He told me that he wanted me to put3,000 pounds on the horse when it ran for him. As i had put on pretty big sums on in the past i didnt think it would be any problem. It wasnt as simple as it sounded. Because i came from Manchester and knew the place well,he wanted me to go to  300 betting offices,and place no more than a tenner in anyone shop it didnt matter if we ran out of time,never more than a tenner per shop no shop ever twice,as it was in the 5.00 race we had around six hours to get it on.
3,000pounds if anyone needs reminding ,would have brought you a substancial detached property in the north of England at the time.
The day arrived ,me and my brother and a close friend were ready to go,maps of anywhere from Prestwich to Trafford Park to Hyde . Half an hour in we got the message ,horse lame ,non-runner come home. There the story might have finished, not long after i was in Manchester once again clutching Three Thousand used notes, but not for  the "Lame" horse.The horse was "DOMINATOR" S.P. 20/1 E.Carter. Southwell, the job was finally done,
By:
TambourineMan.
When: 18 Oct 12 13:56
guardamar
Fantastic story about Frank Carr....always thought he was a sharpie...what was your cut?ExcitedExcited

Re Kamundu in the '69 Hunt Cup...he beat Lorenzaccio who went on to beat Nijinski in the '70 Champion Stakes.
Backed in from 100/8 to 7/1..Frank must have been laughing all the way back to Malton.
By:
guardamar
When: 18 Oct 12 14:18
TambourineMan. As i have said before Frank Carr was "Generous " to a fault. One could assume it paid for a few "Bricks"  in the Villa, on the Mediterranean ,where the name Guardamar comes from.
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