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By:
sparrow
When: 16 Oct 12 08:48
ged, On that Doncaster card, I noticed Sandy Barclay riding as an apprentice. Do you remember who he was apprenticed to?
And was it not Jeremy Speid-Coote as opposed to Soote as the paper has it?
By:
ged
When: 16 Oct 12 09:02
sparrow - it was definitely Speid-Soote.

As for Sandy Barclay, my memory comes up with J Barclay, but I wouldn't trust it on this one. I'll look up a few old cards and see if another trainer shows up regularly and rings a bell. The only horse I remember him riding from his earlyish days is Parcel Post.
By:
ged
When: 16 Oct 12 09:03
Paulbu - yes it was Tommy Kelsey on Askalan.
By:
PAULBU
When: 16 Oct 12 09:09
Wasn't Sandy Barclay apprenticed to Harry Whiteman ?
By:
Shalimah
When: 16 Oct 12 09:12
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How many of you remember the jockey on the left? He was was far from being the greatest jockey but was probably the greatest character
in the game.
By:
PAULBU
When: 16 Oct 12 09:13
Ged, ta for the Tommy Kelsey info. Did he win on Forlorn River for 'Stivvie' in the 1967 July Cup or did Bruce Raymond ride it ?
By:
ged
When: 16 Oct 12 09:16
re Lester's first win, there's the full story of the race on the apprentice jockey blog. It's a good read. I love this quote from his mum:-

""Don't make a fuss of the boy. He's done nothing special. He wants to be a jockey, but he's in the middle of his school days, and he'll have to be back with his books at Miss Westlake's private school when the summer holiday is over. "He has been riding since he was four and is pretty good, though not a patch on his father."

http://theapprenticejockey.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/it-was-just-start-of-job-really-wasnt.html
By:
ged
When: 16 Oct 12 09:20
Whit - I reckon you'll get plenty of requests.

Can you bring up Flyingbolt's Massey Ferguson? December 1965.
By:
ged
When: 16 Oct 12 09:24
Whit - ...and I don't know whether this is too much of an ask - but a card at Folkestone, where Stan Smith and Eddie Cracknell both rode a double, and Lester either drew a blank or won on just the last. must have been about 1959-62. It was my first race meeting - and I think I was small enough to stand under the rail. My dad backed Lester's mounts, think he might go through the card, and he (almost?) drew a blank (as my memory has it anyway).
By:
reculver
When: 16 Oct 12 09:24
Shalimah is it Mornington Cannon?
By:
ged
When: 16 Oct 12 09:24
*thinkING he might go through the card.
By:
ged
When: 16 Oct 12 09:26
Paulbu - It was Bruce raylond. 8-1.
By:
ged
When: 16 Oct 12 09:26
**Raymond. !
By:
ribero1
When: 16 Oct 12 09:28
its the duke d'alberceque,excuse the spelling!
By:
ged
When: 16 Oct 12 09:33
It looked a bit like Josh Gifford to me, but obviously not, from your description. The eyebrows, anyay.
By:
ged
When: 16 Oct 12 09:47
WHIt - one more request from me - I don't want to monopolise the request list - but the Grand National of 1900 if you can, where Manifesto carried 12-13 having won the race twice in the previous 3 years.
By:
Shalimah
When: 16 Oct 12 10:02
Well done Joe, it is Beltrán Alfonso Osorio y Díez de Rivera, 18th Duke of Alburquerque.Not sure who is shaking his hand but thought it might be Dick Francis.
By:
ged
When: 16 Oct 12 10:04
re Sandy Barclay - I think Paulbu is right.


Here's a piece off the net, resulting from someone searching on the Whiteman family. Reference to Sandy is towards the end, but I thought the material on Harry Whiteman was interesting enough:-



Harry was a racehorse trainer from approximately 1933 to 1968.  I have received some useful information from the National Horseracing Museum.  They provided me with extracts from the Sporting Chronicles – Horses in Training pages.


Locations of his stables were:

    1933 – 1940 Fairlawne, Training Stables
    1941 – 1945 Russley Park, Baydon, Marlborough, Wilts
    1946 & 1955 – Park Farm, Upper Lambourn Berkshire.  Owners included: Col J Thomson, G W Brocklehurst, C C Wooton, H M Beaufoy . Jockeys included: C Bentick, B Boot E C Brown, I Morgan.
    1956 – 1961 Place Newton, Wintringham, Malton, Yorkshire
    1962 - 1968 – Cree Lodge, Craige Road, Ayr Scotland.  Owners included Lord Weir, The Hon A Mackay, Major Stuart Black.  Jockey was J Skilling.  Horses listed: Field Master, Final Parade, Cezanne, Kings Flash.

The Museum also believes that his colours were old gold, scarlet sash and cap; they conclude that he owned some of the horses he trained.



Further information obtained from members of a horseracing forum about Harry's professional life includes:

Davy Jones - possibly one of the unluckiest losers of the Grand National. Major Cazalet was trainer of Devon Loch and Cromwell, but Harry Whiteman trained Davy Jones at Fairlawne, which was the property of the Cazalet family at the time of the 1936 Grand National. Here are Harry Whiteman's own words:

"I was on the Aintree stands and thought everything was going so well, with my two runners, Emancipator, ridden by Mr Cazalet, and Davy Jones, ridden by Mr Anthony Mildmay. Emancipator was travelling well in fourth place, three fences from home, when he fell. But I still had Davy Jones standing and going so nicely that I really thought myself certain to achieve the big ambition of every trainer of steeplechasers and win the Grand National. He took the third fence from home, and for me he was travelling better than his only serious opponent, Reynoldstown, who was carry 12st 2lb was conceding Davy a lot of weight. Davy Jones took the second last perfectly and success looked certain. But then he swerved to his left and out of the course and Reynoldstown was left with the race at his mercy. Later I found the buckle on his reins had loosened and that broke the rein. So that, try as he would, Mr Mildmay could not steer Davy Jones, who finished amongst the spectators gathered on the far side between the last two fences."



From the Racing Post cuttings section:

 

'1965 Sandy Barclay is just beginning to make a name for himself. Having ridden his first winner a couple of months ago, the 70lb apprentice is in double form at Ayr with two strikes for his mentor Harry Whiteman, who is based across the road at Cree Lodge. First, Secretive gets the better of Gold Case in the mile handicap and then Royal Helen beats Paddy Charbon in the sprint handicap.'



There is a reference to a Harry Whiteman in a book about the Shropshire Yeomanry and it goes on to say that he was first jockey for the Emporer of Austria at the outbreak of war.  At the time that the book was written in 1950, it mentions that Harry was a successful racehorse trainer in the south of England.
By:
ged
When: 16 Oct 12 10:06
...though I think Sandy was a 7lb claimer, not 70lb(!!)
By:
WHITWHITLAW
When: 16 Oct 12 10:09
ged..........Flyingbolt. Write-up and race

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ged
When: 16 Oct 12 10:20
Whit - thanks a lot for that. The report still has the freshness, and gives the best impression of the race, and the horse, imo. I was surprised to see Dunkirk carrying 12-7 in the race, to Flyingbolt's 12-6 (though Dunkirk was 2 years older, and an established champion). Did he actually run? If so, it must have been his last race before his ill-fated KG attempt to put Arkle off his stride.
By:
workrider
When: 16 Oct 12 11:38
whitwhitlaw....any chance you'd have the racing cards for 02/05 /1951...of particular interest to myself ...thanks....
By:
WHITWHITLAW
When: 16 Oct 12 11:52
ged....Manifesto, the third link being a continuation of the second. The last link is back to Flyingbolt - as you see, Dunkirk did not run. There is no record of S.Smith riding a winner at Folkestone. E.J.Cracknell rode a winning double there on Aug 2 1960, beating L.Piggott on a couple of hot-shots.

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By:
PAULBU
When: 16 Oct 12 11:59
Surprising to see Nimrod Wilkinson with a ride in the Massey Ferguson. He was more likely at this time to be seen at Sedgefield and Hexham.
By:
TambourineMan.
When: 16 Oct 12 12:55
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All Hail King Richard.

I know this is an Old Time Jockey thread but
yesterday was a stand out day in the History of Flat Racing.
What an unbelievable achievement ..7 winners on one Racecard.
Now up there with Frankie, AlecRussell and Gordon Richards et al.
By:
WHITWHITLAW
When: 16 Oct 12 13:03
workrider.....2 May 1951. I've had to break the contents down - it would have been too small to read otherwise.

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By:
forgotmyusername
When: 16 Oct 12 13:19
A couple of old jockeys mentioned on this thread recently who I remember well from my youth and maybe someone could update me on what they are up to; Jeremy Speid-Soote whose name always made me chuckle when I was a kid and somebody just brought up Nimrod Wilkinson from the same sort of era. My recollection was that there was a Jumbo Wilkinson in the 60's. Are he and Nimrod one and the same?
By:
ged
When: 16 Oct 12 14:36
Whitlaw - many thanks again.

I was interested to note that there were Place-only odds advertised for Manifesto's race as well as win odds. Was that image from the Sporting Life?

I'm afraid I can't see the evidence of Dunkirk not running. What am I missing? (Just curious0

And can you put up an image of that Folkestone card from Aug 2, 1960?  The date is about right - I'd have been off school and my dad probably had his holiday in August; and I'm curious to see why I remember Stan Smith riding a double as well as Eddie Cracknell. Would it be Stan Clayton? My (then) child's brain has miscontrued something. Everything else fits.
By:
ged
When: 16 Oct 12 14:56
And as this an old jockeys thread, I think the Duque of Alburquerque deserves a few more lines:-

In all he had 7 rides in the Grand National:-

1952: Brown Jack III; fell at Becher's first time; the Duque sustained 2 cracked vertebrae, being taken (for the first, but not for the last time) to Liverpool's Walton Hospital
1963; Jonjo; fell 21st
1965; Groomsman; fell 9th; Duque breaks leg
1966; L'Empereur; PU 26th
1973; Nereo; PU Canal Turn (broken stirrup)
1974; Nereo; finished 8th; Duque rode with a broken collar bone, sustained a week before at Newbury
1976; Nereo; fell 13th; Duque unconscious for 2 days, and broke 2 vertebrae, 7 ribs and a thigh
1977(aged 58); stewards refused to grant him a permit to ride.
By:
tommysmum
When: 16 Oct 12 14:56
WHITWHITLAW, any chance of the Liverpool card the day Master Barry won the Autumn Cup, mid 60's not sure of exact year.
By:
WHITWHITLAW
When: 16 Oct 12 15:31
tommysmum....Master Barry. Friday October 29 1965

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By:
Hound-Dog-2
When: 16 Oct 12 15:32
"Hughes ..7 winners on one Racecard.
Now up there with Frankie, AlecRussell and Gordon Richards et al."


And Pat Eddery also deserves a mention as well, pretty sure he had 7 winners in one day but not on one racecard it was over 2 meetings, so deserves to be included for that, still some achievement.
By:
Cork Langer
When: 16 Oct 12 15:37
reculver, your fascination with Mornington Cannon on this thread needs an explanation, are you related to him in some way perhaps...?
By:
Hound-Dog-2
When: 16 Oct 12 15:41
Re the Duque of Alburquerque, amazing character, remember Peter O'Sullivan one year covering the National on TV and when the jockeys came into the paddock, this old crock jock sort of staggered in and remember Peter O'Sullivan saying something like, "My God, is HE going to ride in the National." The poor chap really didn't look fit enough and looked like he only just made it to the paddock.

A real character, he had so many injuries but kept coming back.  But in the end they refused to give him a licence when he was nearly 60 and still wanted to go out again. 

I'm glad he got mentioned on this thread. He was a complete one-off.
By:
WHITWHITLAW
When: 16 Oct 12 16:05
ged.........In the 1700’s, you could bet for your horse to win, or to finish in the first two, or to finish in the first three. They had three separate markets.

The link is the Flyingbolt result giving Dunkirk as a non-runner. The other link is the Aug 2nd race - on which day S.Smith rode at Wolverhampton.


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By:
workrider
When: 16 Oct 12 17:03
thanks very much whitwhilaw , really enjoyed reading those ..i noticed boyd rochford , henrys father in law i think , had a runner that day...i was at phoenix park the day he made his come back as a trainer in ireland...a huge man , happy days
By:
ged
When: 16 Oct 12 17:27
Whit - thanks again. I must have been looking at the wrong link before for the Flyingbolt result.

As for the Folkestone card - that could well be the one - it certainly fits as far as Eddie Cracknell and Lester are concerned, and it's around the right time, though I've had it in my head from a young age that Stan Smith had a double on the card too - perhaps just a wrong idea to start with.
By:
tommysmum
When: 16 Oct 12 17:34
thanks, had half a crown on it SP,the last show on tv was 100/8, after it won at 100/7 I thought I had won less, I was eight years old.
By:
blackbarn
When: 16 Oct 12 17:55
One minor bit of trivia about the great Duc. He used to have his AB (Beltran Alburquerque)monogram painted on the front of his helmet, al la RAtkins. Always amazed he seemed to break everything, except his nose.  Great character.
By:
workrider
When: 16 Oct 12 18:01
he was a true sportsman....
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