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whitwhitlaw...i asked recently about a horse called playlord trained by g richards ..it ran in the big race that used to be run at either wetherby or doncaster ..he carried top weight , the race was dropped from the calendar a few years ago...thanks....
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WHITWHITLAW,anything else on Terje Dahl,can you find any of the winners he rode for G Balding. I'm sure he came over for about 5 seasons and rode numerous winners in novice hurdles (Plush or Plash was one)
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Playlord was Gordon's first winner - in a novice hurdle at Bogside in 1965 - and was his favourite horse.
In 1969 he won Great Yorkshire Chase at Doncaster (then one of the top handicaps, since bastardised) - then ran 3rd in the Gold Cup to What A Myth (very soft ground), then won the Scottish National under 12-0. He was beaten half a length by Neville Crump's Arcturus in the first running (1969) of the Wetherby Pattern Chase (which became the Charlie Hall), and was fatally injured in the Doncaster Pattern chase in November 1970. |
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collywobble - didn't Epsom Imp have a dipped back as well? Do you get attached to that sort of horse?
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Ha ha ged, I wasn't aware of Epsom Imp's dipped back.
Thanks WHIT, never realised Firefright ran in he Arc. I was at Donny when Playlord was killed, sad day, he was a top chaser. |
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tommysmum....
T Dahl first rode for G Balding in March 1968 (Sea Wave) His other rides for the stable were on Hasty Word, Sulimanit, Dubler, Castor, Royal Conductor and Great Oak. He rode a winning double for the stable on Dec 2 1977 (Piper and Royal John) and another double on Boxing Day 1981 (Driving and Plash). They were his last rides for Balding. |
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thanks ged , remember watching him on telly , in black and white...a smashing horse...
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thanks, I remember Hasty Word now, think it won at Bangor when I was there.
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steady eddie hide
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john matthias 57 today...a very good jockey , ian balding entrusted him with some good mounts....often rode in the mill reef colours...
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When I hear the name John Matthias I picture that big 'Paul Mellon Cross' on his colours.
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John Matthias a very good Jockey?
 ...I Dont Think So. |
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Average 5-10 Jockey imho.
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what about bob currant
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Better than Matthias imo.
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Re Eddie Hide...
  Great jockey...was **** O' the North an amazing 16 times not to mention his multiple classic wins. I remember back in the mid 60's the Bill Elsey/Eddie Hide combo had an amazing run for a long period. Horses like Sostenuto.Sannazarro...Henry the Seventh..Right of Way spring to mind. They named the far rail at York in the straight the Eddie Hide lane because he knew when the ground was heavy it was the place to be. Here's a couple of news clips. HE familiar toothy grin will be remembered by many grateful punters but nowadays former leading northern Flat jockey Edward Hide wears a look of contentment with his life away from racing. As he approaches 64, he now watches racing on television in between tending to the garden or playing golf. But despite going to scale two stone heavier than in his heyday, Hide still appears in great shape almost 15 years after retiring from the saddle. He said: "When I first thought about giving up I got an interview for a Jockey Club stewards secretary and I was disappointed when they turned me down. "But, on reflection, it was probably a good thing as it would have meant I was dealing with the jockeys I used to ride against. Nevertheless I still feel I would have had something to offer on issues like misuse of the whip. "I seldom go the races these days as it's not the same when you're not involved but I like to follow the fortunes of my nephew Philip who's a jump jockey in the south." A regular on the Scottish circuit, Hide won a clutch of big races during his career. His haul included the 1973 Derby on Morston, two 1,000 Guineas (Waterloo 1972) and Mrs McArdy (1977) and two St Leger's on Cantelo (1959) and Julio Mariner (1978). He also bagged the Lincoln three times as well as the Northumberland Plate, the Magnet Cup, the November Handicap, the Nunthorpe Stakes, the July Cup, the Kings Stand Stakes and the 1967 Ayr Gold Cup on Farm Walk. "When I first retired I had spells as agent to Walter Swinburn, assistant trainer to John Gosden and racing manager to the Matthews but now I am enjoying myself. "We've a little farm near Malton and my wife Sue and I used to have four broodmares. We bred the winners of around 80 races but we've given that up because it's not a viable game if you can't compete at the top. "I also enjoy a game of golf or tennis to keep me fit. If I'm honest, I'd have to say my golf isn't that good but I reckon I'm well handicapped." It sounds as if Hide is associated with yet another handicap good thing. COPYRIGHT 2001 Scottish Daily Record & Sunday 2001 Edward Hide Age: 63 Then: Rode on the Flat for 36 years, partnering 2,593 winners in UK. On retirement was sixth in the all-time list of winning-most jockeys Now: Man of leisure High: Riding Morston to win the 1973 Derby Low: Breaking leg in a fall at York on Friday, June 13, 1975, two days before due to ride subsequent Eclipse and Arc winner Star Appeal in France TO suggest that Edward Hide has finally become a man of leisure is to use the term in its widest sense. He has not exactly sat still since he retired from the saddle 14 years ago, having had spells as agent to Walter Swinburn, assistant trainer to John Gosden and racing manager to the Matthews family. Hide may now be enjoying a life outside racing, but he has definitely not settled for a sedentary retirement in Yorkshire, where he was based for most of his riding career. When not maintaining fences or cutting grass on his small farm at Huttons Ambo, near Malton, he is usually to be found playing golf or tennis. Hide is a dapper 63, and it is hard to believe he is now nearly two stone heavier than when he quit the saddle. "There is always something that needs to be done at home to keep me busy, but I also enjoy my golf and tennis," says the man who rode Morston to victory in the Derby in 1973. "I didn't have a great deal of time for either when I was riding. When I first came to Malton I joined the golf club, but eventually I gave it up as I hardly played. I would have to admit that my golf isn't that good, but I reckon I'm well handicapped so I've always got a chance." Hide adds: "We used to have four broodmares and bred the winners of about 80 races, but we've given them up because if you can't compete at the top it's not viable. "However, my wife Sue breeds, judges and shows ponies, and if she's showing a mare and foal, I go with her to lead one round. I'm the groom." There was a time when Hide hoped his experience could have been employed at the hub of the sport. "When I first thought about retirement I approached the Jockey Club to see if there would be a position for me as a stewards' secretary," he says. "I got an interview, but they turned me down. I was disappointed but, on reflection, it was probably a good thing. I wouldn't have had peace of mind as I would have been dealing with the jockeys I used to ride against. "But I still think I would have had something to offer, particularly on issues like misuse of the whip." Hide now follows racing on television, and he says: "I seldom go these days-it's not the same when you're not involved. "However, I've followed closely the fortunes of my nephew, Philip." Hide might have had a one-track mind during his riding career, but he says: "I am enjoying my retirement, and it shows that there is life after racing." COPYRIGHT 2000 MGN LTD |
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Hide’s somewhat, shy, self-effacing manner belied a great single-mindedness. In 1967, making a typically unselfish decision, he won the £6,583 Lincoln for his father, Shropshire farmer Bill - by not riding. Rather than put up overweight on the black five-year-old Ben Nevus, set to carry 7st 10lbs, he decided, entirely off his own bat, to forgo the ride and – six weeks before the race – Peter Robinson, who had previously won the Lincoln on Marshal Phil and Mighty Gurkha, was engaged and the horse’s owner – Irish veterinary surgeon John Peatt who had just retired after 26 years’ practice – was told that his 300 guinea bargain purchase had a great chance of winning. Hide said at the time ‘I ride at 7st 13lbs and, while I might have risked one pound overweight, it would not have been fair to have put up anymore.’
Peter Robinson returned the favour five years’ later when, then a trainer, giving Hide the leg-up on his strongly fancied Sovereign Bill in the Irish Sweeps Lincoln. The horse won by three-quarters length from Dowdstown Charley. Hide (when 33) turned down a lucrative offer from the then expanding Ryan Price stable, preferring to stay on the £4,000 per year retainer at Highfield, where he spent most of his career. |
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The link shows John Matthais' first winner, Beverley May 6th 1972
http://community.cdnbf.net/community.betfair.com/user/whitwhitlaw/6e754e768ee34a407ef8ad8fbbaf7b37.png?v=264600 |
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by heck whitwhitlaw , what a card that was , i remember so many of those horses , aldie ,janus ,swinging junior ,westgate boy ,bywater, pavah star , and alec russell thrown in as well ,it seems like only yesterday , it was magical.....
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"john matthias ..a very good jockey , ian balding entrusted him with some good mounts....often rode in the mill reef colours..."
Bit of an exaggeration there, he was a good jockey, (as opposed to very good). Ian Balding did seem to have a lot of faith in him though, but had to sack him in the end because some of his owners didn't want him riding their horses, think Glint Of Gold was one of those horses he rode in the Mill Reef colours. |
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he did ground dog....i think maybe even aldie was one of mellons,,,,
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mellors even...
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That Beverley card, Lester there for one ride in a £377 3-y-o maiden. It looks as if it's that Beverley meeting on FA Cup Final day, the only afternoon flat meeting and Leeds are beating Arsenal 1-0. Maybe?
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Well done Paulbu you have a hell of memory, it was indeed cup final day. Would lesters ride Janus be the same one that went on to be a good hurdler for Nadine Smith?
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Shalimah, I couldn't speak with any authority about Janus, NH racing not one of my strong points, maybe Ged can tell you. Back to that Beverley card, I just couldn't imagine Lester not having a better book of rides if there had been a Saturday meeting down south somewhere.
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Todays Birthdays
Sam Twiston-Davies (1992) and Richard Rowell (1948). The link is today, October 15th in the early fifities http://community.cdnbf.net/community.betfair.com/user/whitwhitlaw/bfd7b7364bf55171894f3f09c13d2439.png?v=182700 |
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PAULBU.........Because of the cup final, Kempton staged a morning meeting kicking off at 11.00. Lester rode a couple there before travelling up to Beverley. Incidentally, you were trying to think of a jockeys name you'd given instructions to - Johnny xxx. Could it have been J.Blair?
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Morning Whit (evening here), I don't know J Blair. That Newmarket card, Eddie Hide doing 7st 4lb in the nursery, Micky Greening's mount to carry 6st 9lb, it must be ancient !!!
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paulbu....that Newmarket card. Friday 15 Oct 1954
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Whit, have you access to the Doncaster card for the first day of the flat season 1966 ? I did three momentous things that day, I left school, I bought Substitute by the Who, and I backed Bosuns Whistle, trained by Bernard Van Cutsem, ridden by Russ Maddock at 100-6.
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Paulbu - you can peruse it here:-
http://news.google.co.uk/newspapers?nid=GGgVawPscysC&dat=19660321&printsec=frontpage&hl=en Monday, March 21. A mixed card. p5 |
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re Janus:-
it was a different one. The one on the Beverley card was foaled in 1969, by Charlottown. The Nadine Smith hurdler was foaled in 1978, by Ragstone. |
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Thanks Ged thought it might have been a bit early to be the one. The trouble with me is that eveything that happened between 20 to 40 years ago seems to get lumped together in my memory as being about 25 years ago.
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Thanks Ged, as you say a mixed card, I saw a few of those myself at Donny/ Aintree in those days. One memorable jockey name stands out in the NH results for 21st March 1966, that of Jeremy Speid-Soote. There's a blast from the past.
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Yes the Liverpool card was mixed on all 3 days that week, culminating in the Grand national card on the Saturday. Lady Zena made her racecourse debut in the last on Thursday for MWE/LG Brown. Shedden/Larkin had Excuse Me making his debut in the same 2yo race.
The Herald reporter was bemoaning the big field (49) in the Lincoln on the Wednesday, saying that only 30 had a chance with the way they had to line up at the start. (favourite still won though). |
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Lady Zena won at 5/1, beating Askalan.
..and for "sparrow", if he's reading. Michael Hayes had one in the penultimate race that Thursday - Kalispera, for Sam Armstrong. |
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Whitwhitlaw. You are correct it was Johnny Blair i was giving the orders too at Newcastle on the horse owned by John Banks.
It was my reply to Paulbu,not Paulbu . |
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Thanks guardamar, me giving instructions to J Blair had me a bit confused.
Ged, Askalan was one of 'Stivvies', turned out to be a decent sprinter. Who rode it, Tommy Kelsey ? |
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These links may interest someone. The first is a Hurst Park card, 16 Oct 1961 – the second a Kempton Park card from 16 Oct 1963.
http://community.cdnbf.net/community.betfair.com/user/whitwhitlaw/6e5613bc8797df91f185f097a1c6fb70.png?v=154800 http://community.cdnbf.net/community.betfair.com/user/whitwhitlaw/3696500b966c823dd7b6fe71ecef03b0.png?v=117900 |
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If anyone wants to look back at the field for a particular race – the 1885 Brocklesby, the 1907 Gimcrack or the 1931 Oaks, for example – I’d be happy to upload them for you. Or perhaps you’d like to see the full racecard for a particular meeting – the first day at Roayl Ascot 1949 or the day Red Spalsh won the first ever Cheltenham Gold Cup, for instance. Or you may want to see the first or last race a particular jockey rode in. Just let me know what you’d like to see – it’s not a problem.
The Oaks 1931 http://community.cdnbf.net/community.betfair.com/user/whitwhitlaw/102c499c9bb6568cf656df7a92f0ea1b.png?v=106200 The Oaks 1931 write-up http://community.cdnbf.net/community.betfair.com/user/whitwhitlaw/1493a68808dd1f3e3dbd1d1386363442.png?v=161100 The Gimcrack 1907 http://community.cdnbf.net/community.betfair.com/user/whitwhitlaw/20cd654e12c1b7b1241280918a45769a.png?v=175870 The Brocklesby 1885 http://community.cdnbf.net/community.betfair.com/user/whitwhitlaw/6b327e0f02bb5fd8a3281d16803c8b25.png?v=90000 Lester's First Winner Aug 18 1948 http://community.cdnbf.net/community.betfair.com/user/whitwhitlaw/03e5c796e1ecaf4df8cd042798b81ee6.png?v=102255 |