There is currently 1 person viewing this thread.
Luke knew BC was not right - He nearly withdrew her.
He knew something was not right with her at that stage and he was crap1n9 himself. Look at his face in the stalls (barrier).She was wrong/was not acting on the ground/track when she went down. He was under instructions to look after her. He nearly withdrew her but think of the uproar that would have caused.
Look how shifty he was in the post race interview, He was hiding something and took the blame himself. All in all he did well to get her to win and back in one piece. As instructed he was looking after her. She was never really travelling and she looked like a chaser about to be pulled up in the last 25 yards. When Moody came to greet them after the race Luke hugged Moody and whispered in his ear that she was not right, but keep it quiet, so we can decide what to do when all of the hoohar has died down.
The Aussies are very patriotic and almost as insecure. They Aussie media bang on about Aussie/Aussie/Aussie, look how great we are every second of the day. Every advert on TV proclaims Australian grown/Australia's best/The worlds greatest. Every news item discusses Australia’s place in the world (generally the best of course) and what the rest of the world's opinion of them is to a point of brainwashing obsession. This same media hype was on BC. They were shouting;
"She's the best horse in the world. The best that ever ran" (incorrect of course on official ratings, but the average Aussie does not to know that...Drip, drip drip Aussie propaganda)
"Frankel? - overrated - Wait till they see our horse"
"The poms will not see which way she went"
She was representing Australia and nothing but a win would do. The media do not really care about the animal itself in the way that the BC team do, only the fact that she is representing Aussie and she must not fail. The team were under media pressure from back home.
Well done Luke and the team but relax, breathe a sigh of relief and please retire her now.
From a whinging expat Pomme in Aussie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFlROmOd-b0&feature=related
He knew something was not right with her at that stage and he was crap1n9 himself. Look at his face in the stalls (barrier).She was wrong/was not acting on the ground/track when she went down. He was under instructions to look after her. He nearly withdrew her but think of the uproar that would have caused.
Look how shifty he was in the post race interview, He was hiding something and took the blame himself. All in all he did well to get her to win and back in one piece. As instructed he was looking after her. She was never really travelling and she looked like a chaser about to be pulled up in the last 25 yards. When Moody came to greet them after the race Luke hugged Moody and whispered in his ear that she was not right, but keep it quiet, so we can decide what to do when all of the hoohar has died down.
The Aussies are very patriotic and almost as insecure. They Aussie media bang on about Aussie/Aussie/Aussie, look how great we are every second of the day. Every advert on TV proclaims Australian grown/Australia's best/The worlds greatest. Every news item discusses Australia’s place in the world (generally the best of course) and what the rest of the world's opinion of them is to a point of brainwashing obsession. This same media hype was on BC. They were shouting;
"She's the best horse in the world. The best that ever ran" (incorrect of course on official ratings, but the average Aussie does not to know that...Drip, drip drip Aussie propaganda)
"Frankel? - overrated - Wait till they see our horse"
"The poms will not see which way she went"
She was representing Australia and nothing but a win would do. The media do not really care about the animal itself in the way that the BC team do, only the fact that she is representing Aussie and she must not fail. The team were under media pressure from back home.
Well done Luke and the team but relax, breathe a sigh of relief and please retire her now.
From a whinging expat Pomme in Aussie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFlROmOd-b0&feature=related
sort by:
Show
per page
Replies: 70
|
By:
it's a tough thing to do, represent australia
her win was unsatisfactory |
|
By:
I thought exactly the same and posted it , very shifty and never asked the horse a thing in the race
hope its okay |
|
By:
wow skysports news have just called it her greatest ever win.
|
|
By:
possibly it was
|
|
By:
Jockey was in shock. He wasn't being shifty.
It was combo of relief that the race, in another country, with different ground, was over. But the shock outweighed the the relief. He said in the post interview on BBC (sorry, deleted it a few minutes ago otherwise would quote) that he was surprised at how much the ground had taken out of BC and thought he had had enough. Watching the tape, he saw Dettori and once he had pulled away, combined with feeling the horse had "had enough", he eased up thinking he could coast ahead of Dettori. He hadn't seen the French. His mistake was not looking at his left flank which almost cost him the race. This is after watching it half a dozen times. What was impressive was when he realized what was happening, a shake of the reigns and the horse gave the 'extra nudge' that was needed. It won the race and, chances are on UK soil, will win again. |
|
By:
|
|
By:
Fully agree with you shapeshifter, I actually think that it was a blessing that he did not look around, feel that in the time it took to look around and then look back again and get her going again it would have cost him the race, whereas he heard/felt or saw them coming outta the corner of his eye and got her back going instantly.
|
|
By:
Why was he in shock , surley he has been in tight finishes before
Im not knocking BC , class got her home but in the post race interview he was looking for assurance from moody , more than once and it looked like he had done something wrong , should the horse have raced ? Given the retiral talk all isnt as it should be , but i prey the horse is well |
|
By:
how was that her greatest ever win hello, please explain?
the time was sheet. and the horse in 3rd was rated 110. |
|
By:
to win a group one when underperforming could be classed as that could it not
|
|
By:
no
|
|
By:
Sometimes think she would have got more credit if she ran midfield...
Tough gritty wins (when obviously having an off day) are not apprieciated. |
|
By:
Tough gritty wins (when obviously having an off day) are not apprieciated.
Couldn't agree more. |
|
By:
If the horse was not right due to travelling etc all credit to her to get another win and good luck to her in the future.
|
|
By:
all the shiftiness going on during the interviews, was the trainer and jockey passing a ciggy to each other,
 |
|
By:
"I am certain that the jockey detected all was not right with BC and that is why he was exceptionately easy on her, especially in the closing yards. Even so, BC proved her class by picking up from what was almost a standing start to repel the closers. I also feel that the psychology of his interview after the race was definitely not of the "beat myself up" type. He saw his first duty to be the defence of the horse's performance by assuming that responsibility to be his own. The release by the stable that all was not right with the horse justifies this stance and makes the victory even more worthwhile."
|
|
By:
boosup never read so much shoite in all my life,sprinters dont go from flat out sprinting to stopping and starting again all in 200 yds,why do you think they take 2 to 3 furlongs to pull up,absolute shoite,bc speed probably changed very little in the last furlong despite all what was going on , on top of her from the jockey
|
|
By:
"The excuse by the stable that all was not right with the horse justifies this stance and makes the victory even more worthwhile."
Ahhh that's better.. |
|
By:
As I posted, the jock knew all was not right half in; and now stand connections etc; why is that so hard to believe?
|
|
By:
BC proved her class by picking up from what was almost a standing start to repel the closers.
|
|
By:
Because he should have said that post-race, he didn't, he blamed the course-ground etc..
|
|
By:
It seemed more that he was blaming himself for his appreciation and understanding of the course and not the course or ground itself.
|
|
By:
Eh ? Same thing is it not ?
The fact is he did not say what you implied.. |
|
By:
Er, no, it's not the same thing at all; one is subjective, the other objective.
|
|
By:
Oh really ? Bit like your assumptions then eh...
|
|
By:
They have just announced on the news over here in Oz that she has torn muscles. Still lead national news item. One channel calling the win "expcetional"
|
|
By:
Interestingly she is now being called the best “filly in the world”. Downgraded from the much hyped “best horse in the word” pre Ascot. Suspect the penny has now dropped.
|
|
By:
As she's a mare, they can't even get that right..
|
|
By:
|
|
By:
Hope she will be ok, and well done to Nolen for looking after her,
very brave horse when she clearly wasn't at her best and still gave that extra nudge to hold on and win. |
|
By:
She's a sprinter, pure and simple. And should never have been described as the best hoss at anything, but sprinting..
|
|
By:
http://www.news.com.au/national/black-caviar-hangs-on-to-win/story-fn7mjqus-1226406577768
"You've only got to win by a quarter of an inch - we got the job done," Moody said. "We never expect dominance, we never ask her for dominance. We are extremely proud of her. I'm an extremely proud Aussie. "There's no doubt you've seen her at her lowest ebb. I'm just disappointed for your public that she didn't show how great a filly she is." |
|
By:
Do get it right for once g2d. Implications and assumptions are not even closely related, yet alone the same.
|
|
By:
Os,
do you think she will bounce back from this? I have my doubts, but, then, I was wrong about Kauto Star ( once). Long term I think I know when horses are fkd, and to me, this race at Ascot was a bit too hard for her. Personally, I can't see her running again in GB or anywhere in Europe or America. Who knows? I'd like to know why the conections looked so sick. At one stage i feared that they and the mare were all gonna take a heart attack.   |
|
By:
good--the horse won after jockey eased it down
would of been to depressing if it lost |
|
By:
so thats her excuses ,and the excuses for the aussie horse in the king stand ,as she,s unbeaten in 22 maybe the aussie sprinters just arnt as good as they were say 5 yrs ago
|
|
By:
LOL.....what a load of typically ungracious Aussie b0ll0cks.
Nolen knew there was something wrong so much that despite supposedly considering withdrawing her, he instead of dismounting and leading his half cripples mount in after the race and take the weight off of her broken back, he took her for a victory parade down the course and back again.  Maybe doing all of that knowing what he "did" then Nolen should be charged by the RSPCA for animal cruelty. Especially when Moody has said: "She's torn some muscles up high behind (hindquarter) and pulled up very tender," trainer Peter Moody said as he prepared to fly out of London. but we know that's b0ll0cks anyway and when you are spouting any old sh1t to save face then you sometimes forget the finer detail. The other thing quite telling too is the bit highlighted below: An examination come daylight by vet Peter Angus and chiropractor Michael Bryant revealed two muscle tears and a haematoma are the battle scars of her 22nd win, her first on foreign soil and by the barest of margins. Bryant, who has treated Black Caviar throughout her career, said on a scale of 1-5, she had a grade-four tear of the quadriceps and a grade-two tear of the sacroilliac. No vested interest then eh?  Oh and btw, Henry Cecil has found an excuse for why Frankel only managed to win by 11L......apparently Tom Queally pulled up with a strain in his neck.  |
|
By:
So you're telling me the jockey knew that the so called superstar horse was not right and he still ran her
Either Luke Nolan is then an absolute fool or you lot are talking rubbish |
|
By:
so what we are dealing with is pure unbriddled ausi arrogance ...they brought over an unfit overweight injured oss to RA..
sounds about right imo  its reputation frightened off the top english horses aka AP and the derby  |