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1/8th the odds in the first at stratford yesterday
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Just had a quick look at the Towcester card on Sunday and in the first race we could be in for a Jack Wilson world record. I've seen him do 1/6th odds 1-2 in a 7 runner race before, but I rekon we could be in for a full monty 1/8th odds 1-2. He could easily be 1/8th 1-2-3 in the second race too. A couple of the later races could see the tiny dodgy EW sign come out too. I'll keep you all posted.
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jimnast ,
i'm going to redcar | ||||
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Rain is forecast all over for Monday currently on the Met Office site. Lets hope they are wrong.
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Suggest bookmakers and PUNTERS alike, complain to the racecourse if they are unhappy with the trading terms offered by some outlets. Although bookies are allowed to offer any terms in a free market i think you will find that the racecourse can exert some influence. Look forward to hearing what happens.
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thanks adge.
sugarsteve thats just what we should be doing i do know areana/northern are not happy with whats going on and the more grief they get the better chance of them moving towards doing something about it. | ||||
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I'm a bit disappointed to report that Jack Wilson only went 1/6th odds 1-2 in the first at Towcester. I was convinced that he would go 1/8th 1-2. However, he did make up for it later on with a 1/7th odds 123 when the rest of the ring were 1/5th 123 (and the place book was still over-round - clearly not enough for some though!!!)
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Thank you wassy.
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he needs hanging tbh
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I did see a rather animated conversation after the 1/7th odds race with the Betting Ring Manager.
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was this between Peter and the BRM?
Was the BRm Neil? | ||||
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Yes it was ss. Couldn't hear what they were saying - too far away.
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NP spoke with PW at fakenham regarding the last Towcester incident, a few weeks ago. NP was acting as a middle man however PW was very defensive and altho not wishing to bully PW i do feel that a collective representation to the Racecourse would result in a change in PW's practices. Otherwise others near him are forced to join him or not strike a bet!
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That is the danger ss. I was shocked at how many put up 1/6th 1-2 when he did!!!
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Altho it is not my preferred choice i can only say from experience, it is the only practical option. Betting to standard e/w terms is pointless and betting win only is not much better.
Looks like we will all be getting wet tomorrow. Good Luck. | ||||
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Yes, really looking forward to the Warwick Silver ring with just a small temporary marquee :(
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Looks like a complete wash out today...:-(
Wassy,how about writing to various racecourses where Wilson bets and pointing out that their customers are being shafted by this villain and therefore creating a bad atmosphere....maybe suggesting that one of their staff visit the said rogue and see for themselves....maybe someone could post on here where all this skullduggery is going on and then all of us write to that r/c?When Wilson gets up to his tricks,post it on here and ALL the bookmakers on that particular day writes and complains and points out the damage he's doing. Persistent complaints instead of all this moaning on here might bring results but it would need a concerted effort and not leave it to someone else. | ||||
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For all his buffoonery I do recall McCririck going round the ring at Chester live on Channel 4 questioning each way terms and naming and shaming the rip off layers live on camera as he went along! It wouldnt happen nowadays im afraid but If a betting expert in the media was to highlight and explain all this to the public then the racecourses might begin to understand what you are all talking about on here. Ive followed this thread from the start and am certain that a few in authority have aswell and they must be blind, stupid or both if they cannot realise that it is industry professionals who are trying to protect and enhance the public's racecourse betting experience and therefore benefit the whole game. And in difficult times too I might add when it would all be too easy for everyone to copy the 1/8th business model and just make fast bucks and run.
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Persistent complaints instead of all this moaning on here might bring results but it would need a concerted effort and not leave it to someone else.
artful - good suggestions and support what you are saying, but do not underestimate the chances of every comment being read and printed. However I do believe it needs a voice from the betting media to speak loudly. Also look the margins arent there and we all know that so I think the consensus is that it should be at least something standard so that when the public go racing they bet each way and each and everyone gets the same place terms to whatever odds they bet and whoever they bet with. If those terms have to be different to the standard off course terms (normal ones i mean not all the concessions and enhanced nonsense) then thats a different problem | ||||
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good post dodger.
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morning jimnast,we got in touch at the weekend and sorted it,thanks again.
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your welcome ribero.
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is it dry redcar way
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I have lots of bets with the bookmaker you are all moaning about. He goes the biggest odds - I couldn't care less what his place terms are as I would rather back one or more to win. What percentage of your bets are each way anyway ? Seems to me you are trying to restrict the win odds to your own advantage.
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My thoughts exactly Deano,i cant see what the books are complaining for.
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At Towcester yesterday 90% of bets were each way. Also, at least 90% will not have seen his little sign saying 1/7th odds. If he bet win only I couldn't care less what odds he offered, its his money.
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He goes the biggest odds
Only on the ones that are bigger on here. | ||||
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But he is still bigger than the rest.
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Only on the races where he goes the crooked EW terms. If you want a win bet you will still get as big or better with the win only books.
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What percentage of your bets are each way anyway ?
I'm not a bookie, but it's not exactly difficult to work out that the vast majority of bets the on-course boys take are EW | ||||
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Anyway deano - if the business they do EW is so inconsequential as you make out, then why doesn't said bookmaker just bet win only, then this discussion wouldn't be going on.
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MORE WORRYINGLY IMO ARE THE NUMBER OF ARBERS THAT NOW LINKED UP ONCOURSE,THE NUMBER OF BOOKS THAT WONT LAY A BET,HATE TO THINK WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS FOR ONCOURSE BOOKMAKERS BUT I THINK I CAN GUESS,ALL RACECOURSES PICK 1 HILLS,PICK 2 LADS,PICK 3 BETFRED MAXIMUM LIABILITY£100,ANY LIABILITY OVER £200 HAS TO BE RUNG THROUGH TO HEAD OFFICE! RIP BRITISH HORSE RACING.
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if betthread r no 3 then make the liability realistic please
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Dr Gonzo - whilst there may be a number of ew bets, it's the stake comparison that's more relevant. I bet the place stakes doesn't account for more than 20% of the total stakes taken on a day due to the fact that the win bets taken are probably bigger. It can't be anywhere near 45% like wasnot is suggesting.
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jack wilson made his first visit of the year to the north of england today.
he turned up at redcar ready to show off his new set of each way signs..black lettering on a green background. he has a new set of 1/7th , 1/8th , 1/10th and his pride and joy a whopping 1/12th odds signs. he did show a degree of patience in waiting for race three before weilding out the 1/7th sign . the yorkshire squire betting next to him didn't know what hit him as he only had a 1/6th sign flushed with his success it wasn't long to wait before the 1/7th sign was back out again for race five. race six he relaxed and only went to 1/5th in the 12 runner handicap. i'm sure we can all look forward to more special offers at pontefract tomorrow | ||||
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His missus says you can't have flactions either
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The likes of Jocky get other books who trade at 'correct' terms a bad name but more importantly alienate the betting public with the strong likelihood they will not be caught twice. With racecourses being in a very competitive marketplace do they need the likes of Jocky undermining their product with his rip off terms. If the racecourses are not concerned by this sharp practice then they most certainly should be !! Adge's previous post re: the new signs suggest the individual is hell bent on making the situation worse.
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He won't bet trade anyway 545APG. Perhaps we should invite Mr Gundill down to witness his customers being turned over at Ponte. He'd love that.
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