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1/8th the odds in the first at stratford yesterday
1/8th the odds in the first at stratford yesterday
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just like doonny losing adge nothing will change
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the only way this will stop is if on course bookmakers stop pricing up each way races directly from the exchanges who bet WIN ONLY. simples !!!! doh !!!
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we dont follow win only prices these races, but get a bollocking for returning 3% a runner.
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barry, i bet on course and returning 3% a runner mate you must live in a time capsule or take nil pounds a race
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shadder, tell me how its done I'M knew at this game, easy , howdya bet each way 1st race Hexham today 1% runner obviously.
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first race was bet win only even at 1/7th the percentage was 80 place book.but that is not what i am saying . until books stop pressing button 'lay set all' there is no hope.becvause they are setting a win book and betting each way.have you ever checked the betfair place odds on bad each way races.all they offer are 1/6 0r 1/7 0r even 1/8.
it is frustrating standing there taking nothing because the majority of punters just look at the biggest price on the boards regaurdless of place terms. i think you will find if books can bet standard place terms to a honest percentage most will |
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Mr Wilson is a very selfish man. I have told him so but he can only see to the end of his nose. He is doing nothing legally wrong but any conversation is purely one way.
He bets this way because he wins. To change, is a fear to him and something he can not comprehend. Towcester racecourse may be asserting some pressure shortly, esp if he goes 1/10th a place. Complain to the racecourse direct, they are the people who he is basically in contract with. The man will then crap his pants at fear of losing the golden goose and will revert to win only. Trust me it does work and will work again. The sooner we are forced to bet to the same standard terms the better, altho do not think it will happen. Until then when Mr Wilson messes about with the place terms then i would encourage others next to him to do the same. remember, he will not like it up him! Wassy and others tremendous moral stance is admirable, but sadly it does not pay the bills. |
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The gambling commission are supposed to be protecting the naive and the vulnerable. When betfair place market goes 1/7th I
accept going 1/6th and betting to 102% is fair enough (imo), but also accept that is open to debate. When the whole ring goes 1/5th and this guy goes 1/8th should the GG not be standing at the front of the joint explaining to all in his queue that they are not getting fair value? Surely any each way punter in that queue needs protection? |
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Todays first at Hexham as we priced up the place was 65% at the old standard terms.What do you do,bet win only,bet to something like an 1/8th a place or shorten your prices right up so you can bet to the old standard terms?
Bet win only you are losing a fair few of your potential punters for the rest of the day. Bet to an 1/8th or whatever to just get the % around the 100 but get the uneducated novice recegoers who will then hopefully stay with you all day. Shorten your prices so that you can bet to the old standard terms & once again get the place % to somewhere near a hundred.Do this & you'll take virtually nothing on the race. Races like this it's like being between a rock & a hard place,no matter what you do you simply cann't win.(I don't mean financially,I of course mean no matter what you do you are doing it wrong) |
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very well put allpoints
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Sugarsteve - I knew you would not let me down. You have it exactly right. Also, the summary allpoints put forward is exactly how the honest and decent layers feel. This mess is very bad news for the long term health of the betting ring and small time shysters like Jockey are creating long term problems for the future of the ring as a credible betting outlet.
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adge
The GC refuse to void blatantly corrupt bets where the jocky that stoped it was getting paid by the person that laid it.... when you ask them to explain "why" they send you to the thier freedom of information department the freedom of information department says words to the effect of "we cant tell you anything - because you might jepardise our future work" all this form the goverment body founded on a guiding principle of transparency.... laughable and lamentable - what chance them understanding what 1/4 of apple is, let alone understanding the each way percenatges of markets that can be very vaired in thier construction. |
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i'm afraid you're talking to the converted there , magician ,
i got a 500 plus word composition from them yesterday to simplify it refers to the new remote general betting [ standard ] [ remote platform ] operating licence for operators that already hold a non-remote general betting [ standard ] or general betting [ limited ] operating licence , the remote platform licence will be granted for free and no annual fees wil be payable. in short , we may as well have one then because it's free....WHATEVER IT IS |
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In short, they have decided that we need a seperate licence to allow us to use exchanges in the course of our business but as we already are using them and there has never been a problem they are going to give us one for nowt.
Begs the question, why do we need one then? No wonder they are so good at spending our money :( |
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no one had the courage to put their name on the bottom or sign it.
are they planning to post a copy to all betfair customers ? because there is no extra charge now , wasnot , does not mean that there won't be in the future. |
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sorry , take back that first one , i hadn't turned over the page
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If a guy's betting to 102% but 1/8 of the odds, people are surely at perfect liberty to bet win only with him?
Seems more than a little hypocritical to criticise the firm for 'fleecing' punters when he's probably 10-15% better than the rest of the firms on the win market. |
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perfectly correct , one nation , but course betting public with smaller stakes bet each way on anything at 4/1 or bigger.
too many seem to think that 1/8th is bigger than 1/5th and it's the day's special offer sad but true |
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Fear you are correct adge but for anyone to think 1/8 is better than 1/5 rather puts my earlier comment into context. So much for our revered (sic) education system.
BTW does said book get much argy bargy after the race when the EW punters get their less than expected return? |
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only on rare occasions. you do see some older punters comparing their tickets with friends who have bet elsewhere but 90% or more don't even look at the ticket to even confirm they have got the right horse let alone the return
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anyway on to towcester today and i'm sure mr wilson will be concentrating his action on the 3.30 p.m. race which has 10 runners.
will it be the 1/6th odds each way sign , or the 1/7th or his favourite 1/8th sign that will see the light of day. todays special offer race is race 3 |
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Is jocky a member of an Association. If so that Association could withdraw his membership if others made the respective Board aware of their concerns and the damage he is doing to the integrity of on course trade. Alternatively bets could be 'gathered' on the races where he is ripping punters off and once a sufficient quantity has been amassed submitted to the GC requesting appropriate action against the aforesaid individual.
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Adge - he went straight for the 1/8th odds sign again today. He doesn't mess about with 1/6th, it might give the punters a bit of a chance, that wouldn't do now would it.
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I think cancelling his association membership is an excellent idea demo. Let him get his own liability insurance.
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Grasping at straws wassy but it would appear there are not many options available to those who feel strongly about this topic. Do you think there is any chance of his Association, if he has one and were it be approached, acting in this way in order to protect the interests of the huge majority of its members. Being expelled in itself might have no effect on him - I gather he does not want for much - but it would at least show him that action was replacing the words !!
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democrat,
he is a member of the northern bpa . i'll circulate the concerns later., see what the directors may think. but he doesn't understand any problem |
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Thanks adge for showing a positive interest. The effort might prove futile but nothing ventured............... As mentioned by sugar earlier the individual concerned is very thick skinned. At least I think he added the word 'skinned' !!!!!!
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looks as though you got a bargain at ponty adge.
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Adge in the market at Ponty ? Is he deserting the pinickers ?
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US old fashioned bookmakers,must give up trying to be honourable to punters, they quite rightly bet where it suits, if they are betting with bookmakers offering 13/1 17/1 22/1 27/1 35/1 45/1 55/1 @ 1/7th 1/8th 1/10th odds. do the same and let us all go skint.
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Silly me !!! He just wants to be near Jockey !!!
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Bookmakers not allowed in US Barry
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ribby- what did ponty go for
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14600
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What number was that for?
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tatts 14
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did you buy adge?
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Is that cheap? I've never bet there.
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no bbc , i bought number 17 last september for 9200
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shrood buy
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