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elisjohn
06 Oct 19 16:24
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looking forward to next years race, ok we havent a clue to the three year old yet, but sottsass is a horse that must be in the reckoning, coolmore imo will  keep japan in training , and todays winner must enter calculations if running, enable surely will be retired, and cant think of this years 3 year olds that can step up to this class unless massive improvement, crystal ocean retired,i would have liked to see deirdrie running today reckon was a fab e/w bet, anyway this years race was won and the 2nd were in the 1st 4 last year, therefore im going for the 2020 running  with japan and sottsass , stronger horses and better ground and more runners would suit the latter.Come on betfair open a market.   Ok one longshot of next years 3 year olds for this, victor ludorum

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By:
impossible123
When: 06 Oct 19 16:57
A bit too early for that. Maybe Sottsass could be considered for the Champion Stakes at Ascot.
By:
elisjohn
When: 06 Oct 19 17:06
well im opening a thread and im going to start betting on it asap, because ive decided im actually going to go there next year, as long as the reviews on here say its improved from last yearGrin.
By:
impossible123
When: 06 Oct 19 20:36
Will Sottsass run though if winning the Champion Stakes or the Breeders Cup? He'd be sold and retired. The ground was too energy-sapping today; the ride given was ok, but just could not quicken on these conditions. At least he finished infront of the two AOB charges.
By:
elisjohn
When: 06 Oct 19 20:42
i was going to say i dont  think hell like newmarket for the champion Laugh, forgot its ascot, ascot will be perfect for him
By:
impossible123
When: 06 Oct 19 21:11
I think 10f will be just ideal for him or an easy Breeders Cup Turf if Enable does not turn up. As for the winner probably retirement beckons as conditions suited him the most.

That's me almost done until next season with Pinatubo; many uncertainties or multi-entries with Ascot. Back over the sticks eg Altior, Tiger Roll, Lostintranslation and Santini maybe Samcro.
By:
elisjohn
When: 06 Oct 19 21:25
im not a jumps man, but  ive heard a word for wide receiver for chelt bumperWink
By:
LesterLad
When: 11 Oct 19 13:51
Don't forget Logician for next year's Arc, ideal replacement for Enable connections
By:
elisjohn
When: 11 Oct 19 15:14
i had forgotten to be honest about him, but not an arc winner for me
By:
elisjohn
When: 17 Oct 19 18:45
didnt expect enable to be in the mixHappy
By:
elisjohn
When: 06 May 20 19:13
sottsass running on mondayCool
By:
ElT
When: 07 May 20 17:07
Will they allow the Japanese horses to travel? Two race fit potential superstars with Contrail and Salios to end the curse? Surprised Salios is not even in the betting, despite going down to Contrail(16/1) by a half length from a worse draw.
By:
elisjohn
When: 11 May 20 13:54
my arc fancy and outsider both beaten today I hearCry
By:
Solwhit1
When: 20 May 20 23:58
Anybody else fancy raabihah for this? She won impressively the other day, I know she may not have beaten much but looks the type to keep improving by sea the stars and trainer mentioned the arc after the race, she’s currently vying for favoritism for the Diane and she wins that she’ll be a hell of a lot shorter than the 50s on offer atm
By:
ElT
When: 31 May 20 07:23
If the Japanese don´t send Almond Eye, Daring Tact, Contrail and Salios for a mass assault on the Arc this year they are not even trying. Contrail easily wins the Japanese Derby after the Guineas, while Salios finished a clear 2nd again. Just like in the Guineas he got to deal with the worse draw and trip, but there was no doubt about the winner this time.
By:
elisjohn
When: 01 Jun 20 14:01
victor ludorum on track for jockey club and arcWink
By:
layingisthewayforward
When: 02 Jun 20 04:40
Victor looks a miler to me, max 10 furlongs. Can't see it going for the arc but I'm often wrong.
By:
EastLower Gooner
When: 09 Aug 20 12:52
Baltic Gold...a year too soon or go for it in a Covid affected season?
By:
Figgis
When: 20 Aug 20 13:02
Joint best Oaks winning performance (with Enable) since I've been following racing seriously (35 years). A rest until the small formality of the Yorkshire Oaks. Other than injury or an unexpected nosedive in form I don't see her beaten in the Arc.

What I posted about Love after the Oaks. I know many people have questioned the merit of her Guineas and Oaks wins, pointing to the fact that her opponents haven't exactly franked the form, but there are many years where those finishing behind in the classics lose form afterwards. There are even times when the impressive winner takes a downturn. I remember Lady Carla's Oaks demolition job and, even though it was nowhere near as good as the performance put up by Love, it is obvious that Lady Carla was completely finished after Epsom. Hopefully Love won't go the same way. Ideally, to back up the Epsom time analysis I would've liked to see Serpentine out again to give the comparisons more substance. Unfortunately that hasn't happened, but until proven wrong I'm happy to stand by what I posted.

I'm not sure if today will reveal anything more about her Arc chances. As even though I expect her to win comfortably I wouldn't have thought connections will want to fully extend her again with the Arc in mind. Ghaiyyath put up form yesterday worthy of an Arc winner. He's better than I thought and clearly very tough, but I still think it's going to be extremely difficult to maintain that level for the Arc after the races he's already taken in. Love is still my idea of this year's Arc winner.
By:
penzance
When: 20 Aug 20 13:46
big fan of this horse,backed him AP for the
Derby before he got injured.Do think though
he is better at 10F than 12.Unless the Arc
cuts right up and a small field can't see
him winning,got a feeling they might just
run him in the Chmp Stks and give the Arc
a miss altogether.
By:
impossible123
When: 24 Aug 20 13:38
Enable is rated 2/3 higher than Love by TS/RPR. Is it inclusive of wfa allowance?
By:
penzance
When: 25 Aug 20 21:03
Backed Sottsass 20/1 E/W and 26s on here.Ran
a good race in this last year and would'nt be put
off by his form so far this season has he's been
soley aimed at this race.Jockey were'nt hard on him
whatso ever when just beat lto(was giving the winner
7lbs).Rouget will have this spot on race day and I
expect to see a vast improvement.Baring injury should
be a major player in this.
Also layed both Love and Enable(is she still improving?)
at the prices.
   GL ALL
By:
impossible123
When: 26 Aug 20 12:26
Sottsass to beat Japan and Magical would be nice tricast combo. If so, x'mas comes early.
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 28 Aug 20 05:47
also gone for sottsass, wernt beaten far in 3rd last year  and a  a year older and  lightly raced should have plenty of improvement to come 20/1 each way looks fair .
By:
penzance
When: 28 Aug 20 15:58
Mishriff not going it seems.
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 28 Aug 20 16:29
yeah champion stakes bound i would imagine .
By:
impossible123
When: 28 Aug 20 17:06
Not the least surprise Mishriff is ducking this with Enable running, but I think it's the correct decision. He's never done the distance, the Champion Stakes on offer and possibly the presence of Love is another factor.
By:
irishone
When: 28 Aug 20 19:10
Dont think FOUND can win this ARC but if it does I will never post on here again....

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By:
San Quentin
When: 28 Aug 20 19:48
Sottsass imo virtually zero chance of winning an arc,very very confident of that.
By:
Paterson92
When: 01 Sep 20 16:42
Can think of worse bets than Peaceful at 50/1 (could probably name your price on the exchange).

I thought she was given a poor ride by Seamie in France when beaten narrowly by Fancy Blue and Alpine Star in the Prix de Diane over 1m2f.

I can see her running in the Irish Champion Stakes a week on Saturday and if winning, may well book her ticket to Longchamp along with Love!
By:
Paterson92
When: 02 Sep 20 14:51
Although I’m forgetting about the Group 1 Matron Stakes over 1m which is the most likely race for Peaceful that day.

If Peaceful goes there, I’d say zero chance of going to the Arc.
By:
impossible123
When: 02 Sep 20 19:51
Peaceful is running over 8f next, then back up to 1m 2f again; Serpentine could run here post Grand Prix de Paris.
By:
driver2
When: 03 Sep 20 05:51
What a great weekend the weekend after next promises to be. Doncaster St Leger, Irish Champions and not forgetting the Arc trials at Longchamp on the 13th, a must for anyone in or around Paris. Entrance fee a paltry €5. It will be interesting to see if the French can post a serious challenge to the market leaders.
By:
kincsem
When: 03 Sep 20 13:07
I will probably lay both Love and Enable.
The market is too this at present to do this.
By:
kincsem
When: 03 Sep 20 13:15
*thin
By:
impossible123
When: 03 Sep 20 15:26
You're brave given the lucklustre performances of the over-rans eg Magical/Japan/Sottsass last season plus no proven serious opposition from the 3yr olds except 'Love'. If it's soft or very soft again Enable would probably finish infront the over-rans again.

Is Enable bombs on saturday, all things being equal, her dream of a 3rd Arc is well and truly over, I'd assume.
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 03 Sep 20 15:49
have added raahibah at 10/1 ,missed the big prices but happy to have her and sottsass on my side both each way . i thought sottsass ran a decent race last year and should improve 20s each way  a cracking price imo.
By:
San Quentin
When: 03 Sep 20 21:57
No way on this earth has or will Sottsass improve. The Arc is littered with horses year after year the tag will improve on the pervious years effort not many do. If Sottsass wins I will never post again. The horse has regressed noticeably.
By:
San Quentin
When: 03 Sep 20 22:01
Very doubtful Enable will bomb impossible,but you never know, iam more certain of Sottsass finishing down the field in the Arc than Enable not bombing.
By:
impossible123
When: 04 Sep 20 17:22
Sottsass could be the best France can offer, and at 28 here is value aplenty, I think. I'm hoping for 'horses for causes' with him; a place would do fine.

Raabihah is no Avenir Certain, and is no longer value.
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