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King George Chase - Kempton
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sizing john would of been fitter surely today after being prepared for haydock...be interesting to know how ready djakadam was but i suppose only mullins knows that
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harry, I saw a quote from him earlier in the week to the effect that Djakadam was n't quite in the same form going into this race as the previous 2 years - the market told a different story today but also read reports suggesting he looked burly (I struggle to judge that from my TV screen).
Just wonder if they're targeting the Lexus with Djakadam more specifically this year - they'd still be hoping Sizing John gives it a miss though |
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quite surprised price wise tipped him up reaseheath if the lexus was the aim, he would of surely have got the nod that the george was the aim...
if he was like you say burly and wasn't ready against a decent opponent who was, then i don't see why the lexus would become the aim when the george was clearly the aim...who knows i certainly haven't played the race but was hoping for a strong line up and he looks a type for the race, whether he is good enough is another matter, maybe that is why they are considering copping out, which will weaken the race yet further if the winner today doesn't turn up either |
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Well, Mullins is quoted post today's race on Racing UK site as follows:
'We'll have to find a new target for him and I'd say he will go for the Lexus (Leopardstown Christmas Chase, December 28) at Christmas' I don't think it's called the Lexus anymore is it? Anyway, there were no trainer quotes from Mullins in the Pricewise piece at all - so no indication from him there that King George is the target. And I think Djakadam could have run in the King George in either of the last 2 years and has n't. But, yes, you'd think Segal would check with the RP columnist Mullins about the possibility of Djakadam turning up in the King George prior to tipping him and you can't take trainer's thoughts about next race targets as read - especially in the immediate aftermath of their previous run. No bet (yet)  |
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Sizing John a favourite of mine having backed him to win the Gold Cup. Couldn't believe Skybet's 9/4 price-boost!
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Good price indeed. Maybe the bookies thought the distance would suit Djakadam more being the winner 2x but a bit too short for Sizing John as he only just got up to beat Djakadam over 3m in the Irish Gold Cup. Or Sizing John could have improved since last season and/or Djakadam regressed and/or not fully would up as much as last season. Whatever, it was still an impressive performance given the ease horse he beat Djakadam a normally reliable yardstick.
I hope Sizing John can do for me what Don Cossack did after falling in the King George ie his price drifted out to 12/1 here. |
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I think Djackadam could easily still rock up here despite him being available on here at prices that would suggest otherwise. Have taken some 44, (went in for the £3 at the 46 but literally was half a second too late if you got that well done whoever you are) have backed him at 14s antepost with a bookmaker so that £3 at 44 will basically be a trade if he goes.
Would certainly have half a chance in a KG imo. |
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Will have to improve out of all recognition on his last run to trouble Might Bite
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I think the participation of Djakadam will hinge on whether Yorkhill takes up his engagement in the Lexus. If the latter does not more likely Djakadam will do battle against Sizing John in the same race, I'd reckon; he's avoided this race in his prime, so why now? Also, his likely Cheltenham target next year could be the Ryanair.
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Whisper runs (Henderson twitter account)...
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Whisper in the mix now. A Hendo 1-2?
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on disko at 33/1 ew
had adip on whisper also at 12/1 |
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After some rain today the forecast is cloudy but dry and mild for the next week or more so it is not going to be ideal for BDM who looks sure to drift if all the main players stand their ground.
Have to say I'm beginning to warm to the chances of Thistlecrack but will wait until final decs. |
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Might be some rain Christmas Day / Boxing Day after all - still don’t fancy BDM though.
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Matter of time i suppose
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hope might bite is a decent price boxing day morning will certainly be tucking in plenty will have far to much speed for BDM, and is clearly in a different postcode to whisper on trainer comments, on the likely good side of soft
defies logic for thistlecrack to win after the hurdles run, the pillar last year I believe has bottomed the horse, I won't believe he will even run till he's at the start |
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Confirmations:
Bristol De Mai Disko Double Shuffle Fox Norton Might Bite Outlander Tea For Two Thistlecrack Traffic Fluide Whisper Most high profile absentees Djakadam, Cue Card and Top Notch. Personally not yet convinced Disko will turn up either despite him being this week's media ramp horse... |
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We could be in for a treat. Tea For Two looks overpriced at 25/1.
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Can't have Whisper going right handed.
Can't have BDM on decent'ish ground. Can't have Fox Norton at the trip. Can't have Tea For Two after he finished so legless last time - fair e/w shout but for that. Can't have Traffic Fluide or Double Shuffle as simply not good enough. Assuming Outlander stays in Ireland that leaves Might Bite, Thistlecrack and Disko. I'd get no satisfaction from backing Might Bite at 7/4 even though he is the most likely winner so it's Thistlecrack @ 7/1 and a saver on Disko @ 12/1 for me. |
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On at 33/1 Might Bite
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on disko ew at 33/1 and also bascked ew for gold cup at 25/1
on whisper at 12/1 |
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Didn't get any fancy prices but I'm happy to get involved in the same 2 , whisper and disko, today
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not a lot of rain forecast for the next week or so in the south ,temps to be around 9-10 degrees tommoz and getting milder ! quite possible no worse than good to soft come boxing day ?
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Rain forecast on Boxing Day Foyles
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much budd ?
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Looks like light rain between 2-4 mm,but not sure what time mate!!
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yeah seen that now ,cheers bud!
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disko out of the race
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ReaseHeath • December 20, 2017 12:45 PM GMT
Personally not yet convinced Disko will turn up either despite him being this week's media ramp horse... Mission accomplished for the racing media and the bookies. |
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Might Bite is hot, as short as 6/5 but generally 11/8 available. With Disko confined to Ireland could Hendo have 1st and 2nd, but in which order though?
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3.55 disks a place sat there when the site reopened
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fashion fever what did hendo say about mite bite and whisper on his trainer comments ? thanks
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foyles he commented on a racing post video that whisper had to go to the KG as he couldn't go for hcaps anymore given his ridiculous mark, but wasn't in the same league as might bite
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cheers ff, just what i wanted to hear !
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Have to say Uncle that your your original post made plenty of sense and is the play i would have made if i thought that Mullins had an ounce of bottle about him.
Djakadam could really have been a player in this race and was no 25-1 poke when you made your selection. Its now Might Bites race to lose IMO. Unlucky call. |
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the weather forecast looks dry apart from Xmas day, when there will be a bit of rain. Going currently Good to Soft, Soft in places
I doubt the going will change much based on the forecast, should be fine for Might Bite, and nowhere near soft enough for Bristol de Mai I really can't understand the money for Thistlecrack, coming back from an injury and very disappointing last time, it's hard to imagine winning a race like this with a prep like that. Even at his peak last year I don't think he would be good enough to win this year's renewal |
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Harry let the Thistlecrack form down too
Come on Might Bite!  |
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Might Bite is a very solid fav for this. He was going to win by 15 or 20l in the Kauto Star last year when he fell. He then clearly had enough to win the RSA by 20l. He then beat Whisper who at that horses fav track and fav meeting at Aintree. I don't think he's quirky to the fact of being ungenuine or a difficult ride, he got lonely in the RSA is all.
I think the Ladbrokes Trophy was a poor race. Whisper didn't improve imo to come 2nd merely ran to form. I see no reason Whisper would reverse form with Might Bite if both run their races. Thistlecrack could easily come and a ton for his run lto where it looked like he blew up racing fit horses. But he could easily have regressed as many do after tendon injuries. Though this c&d is his optimum imv. I don't know how good his form reads though when reviewing it either. Even at his best last year is he good enough? Bristol De Mai will probably find this happening too quick, 3m on decent ground at Kempton. Also what did he beat lto. Look at Un De Sceaux some horses can dance through the mud but then are a stone worse when on a sounder surface. Could have improved this season though as he's still only 6 rising 7 Fox Norton could well improve for the step up to 3miles but it's an unknown especially at the gallop this is run at. If he gets the trip he could be a big player as his most impressive performance has come when run over 2m4f in the Melling. Tea for Two, Double Shuffle & Traffic Fluide here to pick up the crumbs and some prize money. I can't see how Might Bite loses if he runs to the form he did in last years Kauto and he won't be thrown at the last this time under Nico like Jacob did that day. Fox Norton ranks the main danger if he gets the trip, with Bristol De Mai next if he's improved. |
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Laying the hind legs off double shuffle.
Quite a joke entry. |