I think Clan Des Obeaux to finish in front of Cyrname could be the best of the day; odds against and a near certainty.

impossible123 20 Dec 19 17:42 
I think Clan Des Obeaux to finish in front of Cyrname could be the best of the day; odds against and a near certainty.


Must be a ife savings job then - please post your £1 bet (Muppet).

I cannot see how CDO's accumulated form looks stronger than Cyrname's.  Yes, he seemed to bolt up in last year's King George, but, lolking back, he didn't beat a field at their best.  Thistlecrack has never gone on after Many Clouds broke his heart; even those encouraged by his recent hurdles run might want to consider how it compares with his previous hurdles form.  He hasn't run to within a stone of his best since that wretched Trials Day three years ago.

Forget the Altior race if you find it hard to assess; his 17 length duffing up of Waiting Patiently in the Ascot chase, and his handicap win before that both point to the same kind of level of form.  He might not get 3 miles, but I can't see any reason why he won't.

Lostintranslation might be the new Messiah - and this might prove it - but for now his level of form just lacks the proof that he has the class to cut it with the absolute best around; I am not for a moment saying he isn't, but I cannot take 15/8.

The most interesting of the remainder, to my eye is Footpad.  Although he seemed not to stay in the Punchestown Stayers hurdle, that was at the end of a season when he didn't seem to see any of his races out.  He wasn't stopping over 2m6f latest, and if they have ironed out his problems, he might be capable of going very close here.

CDO is the reigning champion. He's done it at this level beating Thistlecrack last year despite a question mark of quality of the field.
Cyrname claim to fame is beating a tired Altior (1st time out) over 5f further than the latter's been on atrocious ground. But, ground and trip could be an issue this time; beat an off-colour Waiting Patiently; winner of a handicap prior; a probable pacesetter.
Lostintranslation beat BDM - the conqueror of Thistlecrack - at Haydock, and definitely improving.
Footpad was excellent in The Arkle two seasons ago. But, 8f extra and quality of opposition? I'm not sure.

The price of Cyrname is too short on form. And, with a question mark about the trip on (probable) atrocious ground again, a probable pace-setter and against 2 Gp 1 proven trip competitors, I'd oppose esp if the haven opens prior to race.

Ive laid my bow lux off on cyrname won't get home .....2\1 is a joke let alone 13\8

i find peoples comments quite interesting about price and the normal junk without substance to there argument

just one thing from me and that is enjoy the ride harry

that last two furlongs at ascot provides plenty of substance .....

happy xmas all and good luck.

same here muse , have watching last years race they seemed to go at it hard in front and that eventually found out any non stayers ,a smaller field this time and cyrname could set the fractions but he will be in unknown territory 3 furlongs from home where the stayers should come into their own 11/2 on here for clan with proven record over trip and course looks stonking to me !

same here muse , have watching last years race they seemed to go at it hard in front and that eventually found out any non stayers ,a smaller field this time and cyrname could set the fractions but he will be in unknown territory 3 furlongs from home where the stayers should come into their own 11/2 on here for clan with proven record over trip and course looks stonking to me !

footnote in an earlier post i said 4 proven stayers .......aso has never won further than 2.5 miles so 3 proven stayers .

Foyles, when they showed the last 20 or so King George's on RUK the other day, I was struck, watching the sequence, by what a huge majority of winners of it were proper stayers. (Which most often means "stayed the Gold Cup trip" - some thought Kicking King wouldn't get the Kempton trip at that point)

And yet, even ignoring frodons 3m2f Cheltenham win as a point of comparison, we are talking about 3m0f round Kempton. Maybe the former would be a bridge too far for both Cyrname and Footpad (& maybe not) but what I have seen of both suggests both might get the trip on Thursday.

Now, given the way CDO travelled into it last year, and the pace Lostin has shown over shorter trips, for Cyrname to win by breaking their hearts with a remorseless fast pace seems far fetched.  Unless he is really exceptional.  And on one reading of the form, he might be.  The guy with the best clue has gone for Cyrname (and yes, I am well aware how often jocks get it wrong). 

Perhaps taking 15/8 about a "might be" is madness.  While drawing more than I stake each year is a point of pride and principle, I neither do it to put food on my table nor allow it to put that at risk.

But I don't half love the anticipation of evenings like this, waiting to see all our crackpot ( and I intend to blacken nobodies name but my own in using that term) theories dissolve into farce, just so I can dust off and do it all again.

I am already on Cyrname at 15/8 and footpad at 14 ish, so I have not looked at the market for a few days.  But with the sensible "value" hat on, I must say Foyles, if you can get 11/2 CDO, that seems, all things considered, pretty big.

Best of luck and a very Merry Christmas to all... I'm off to parboil some spuds.  See you for the postmortem!

yes..why wouldn't it??

lovely stuff !

GET THE **** IN.

I do sometimes wonder if some of the more verbose contributors on here actually watch the races !

Aso  - never looked like a King George horse or good enough
La Bague Au Roi - Beaten by 100/1 shot last time ......
Thlstlecrack - Superb  return against PP.Kauto , Dessie and Edreon Bleu won this at 11 .....he won't.
Footpad- The one unknown. If back to his best he is very good but...... he was supposed to challenge Altior over 2 miles , doubt he will get 3 miles.
Lostintranslation  - Looked Gold Cup horse at Haydock , but looks as likely as Denman to win a KG. Would he run if not in running for the bonus , I doubt it.
Cyrname - This race will tell us how good he was . I have doubts about the Altior he beat at Ascot .
Clan Des Obeaux- They found his Grade 1 last year in this race. The track and tempo is ideal . The latest multiple winner for me.

Well that was very easy to predict .....for a change.
Lostintranslation is a gold Cup horse not a King George.
Cyrname is overrated
and I still do not know how you get off a King George winner .......would have been nice to see Ms Frost riding it .

Great tipping once again, unclepuncle.

28 now!

The Sporting Life went from a respected racing newspaper to online sh!t owned by Sky.

So Matt Brocklebank puts up Eldorado Allen at 50/1 (Ladbrokes price) at 13:59 WED November 16, 2022.
The article provides a link to the sky bet account where the price has moved from 40/1 to  25/1 in the last half hour.
Meanwhile 50/1 is still available at Ladbrokes.

Sporting Life and Sky bet - utter fecking crooks.