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Entires now out.
Have taken a chance that Mullins will do the right thing and run Djakadam here rather than give him another pointless campaign aimed at the Gold Cup that he doesn't stay well enough to win.
He finally did the same thing with Florida Pearl
so hopefully lightning strikes twice.
1pt @ 25/1
Have taken a chance that Mullins will do the right thing and run Djakadam here rather than give him another pointless campaign aimed at the Gold Cup that he doesn't stay well enough to win.
He finally did the same thing with Florida Pearl
so hopefully lightning strikes twice.1pt @ 25/1
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At 25s that's fair enough though I can't agree about the Gold Cup. I see him as a real stayer.Second in 2 GCs and would surely have bagged another second in it this year but for halving the second last after jumping brilliantly to that point. I'd be fairly certain he'll start off again in the Durkan and then it will be either the Lexus or King George I'd imagine. He's going to be a force this season whichever route they go and I just cannot believe how many people have already written him off.
However, Douvan is my idea of the King George winner, and at 10-1,looks a knock out bet to me.He would need to get a run in beforehand if he's to go there,probably over 2m. Obviously both him and Djakadam wont go the KG route but assuming both of them are sound by Christmas, and all has gone well with their comeback runs, then I really believe Douvan will get the go ahead for Kemptom. If he does, he'll murder them. |
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id share your sentiments toward douvan as a top class two miler has done well in the past . BUT i dont think the horse is there anymore . yes if he can produce his A game ,but ,i think its gone . he wasnt impressive at punchestown previous to the flop at cheltenham .hes not right mental or physical i dont know but hes not there imo . the old brigade are done also so i will look to thistlecrack gl
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Djakadam's only won 1 over 3m or further,
he's been beat in the rest.Thats about 11 races. |
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He absolutely dotted up at Punchestown. It was a weak race but he could hardly have won it any easier. Before that he'd beaten Sizing John 8 lengths on the bridle at Christmas. At Cheltenham he went off 2-9 for the QM and lost his unbeaten record through injury. This horse is a monster....and he's also 2 years younger than Thistlecrack.
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Yes Penzance but he's never been unplaced either when he's completed. Surely being placed in 3 Gold Cups is proof that he stays the trip. If not then there are very few stayers about.
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4th in a GC,8th in a Hennessy at
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Ok I'll give you the Hennessy(off 140ish he should have been a cert that day,whatever happened). Fourth in a GC is a place. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind,the horse stays.He'd stay 4 miles.
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Florida Pearl won an RSA and umpteen Irish Gold Cups but he patently did stay in the Gold Cup - if Mullins had cottoned on to it sooner he might have won three KG's with him. Djakadam seems very similar to me.
Douvan had looked great until last time but given the doubts about coming back from injury plus the unknown trip I couldn't have him on my mind at that price - wouldn't even have a speculative bet if he were 25/1. Thistlecrack, Sizing John and Might Bite clearly the ones to beat but priced accordingly. |
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Got 33/1 Might Bite RSA (already won) and King George double. Also, 80/1 the King George/Gold Cup double
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I think Might Bite has a fav chance of winning the KG as Kempton suits him more than Sizing John (SJ). Thistlecrack will need to show he's over his injury in his comeback race over hurdles in the coming weeks. As another poster has alluded to on another thread earlier SJ might not turn up if unsuccessful in the Betfair Chase next weekend.
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how do you know that?
Sizing John has'nt been to Kempton before,I think. |
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I believe SJ needs further than 3m to show his best as demonstrated in his win at Punchestown when just getting up to beat Djakadam - SJ easily beat Djakadam and company in the Gold Cup.
Kempton is a sharp track, and SJ similar to Don Cossack, I believe, might not find 3m and the shrp track to his liking. However, I hope he runs a sound race as his main aim is still at Cheltenham in March, despite the £1m bonus, to retain his crown; whether he turns up post the Betfair Chase (if unsuccessful) remains to be seen, I also believe. |
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Is this the same Sizing John who would have 6 or 7 grade 1s won over 2 miles if Douvan weren't around?
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Very easy for Might Bite in his warm-up race at Sandown, just now
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Mullins sounded lukewarm on the idea of Douvan running in this when interviewed at Navan today on ATR - suggested someone made the entry whilst he was away in Oz! (though that might have been slightly tongue in cheek).
Presumably the same person forgot to make an entry for Un De Sceaux!  |
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That was a very pleasing performance by Might Bite. I thought he jumped well - a bit exuberant on a couple but never looked like falling; he is still available at 3/1, just slightly shorter than Thistlecrack and Sizing John both yet to make their 1st appearance of the season.
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Thistlecrack is apparently having his 1st outing of the season post injury in the Long Distance Hurdle against Unowhatimeanharry at Newbury on friday week prior to defending his King George Chase crown at x'mas, why? I'd have thought Thistlecrack could do with more jumping experience over fences given some novicey displays last season.
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^yeah connections of thistlecrack must of been gutted with his jumping winning a king george as a novice walofs
considering he won a stayers hurdle by 10 lengths what is wrong with prepping him over hurdles, i would of thought he would run without a penalty in that race as well |
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First post of this new season and i would like to thank pp for picking wackytabacky in my name on the 6th Nov' winning me matter of time for 6 months, going to be a roller coaster ride i am sure i am so excited i can tell you! Already had Henry De Bromhead on the phone too,
on my way to work! I nearly crashed the car, he was on hands free mind you  The reason i have come here though is simple, i can see only one winner of this race, where is Thistlecrack these days have we heard anything? What is the Irish going to send over? BDM looked good in the haddock mud but will it be bog like at Kempton? Fox Norton? Really? Nah, step up Might Bite, obvious i know but even at 5/2 i can see 2 things happening, his price going south and his competition going West |
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Hendo must have been watching the Long Distance at Newbury with a big grin; Might Bite looking increasingly the likely winner, all things being equal.
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Will Thistlecrack defend his crown here? After today, more unlikely than likely is my opinion; he was woeful despite what connections said post race dropping out so tamely after going seemingly like a winner 2 out.
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you will do anything in your powers to get any danger out of the way of your might bite bet...a deplorable creature
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You have make exceptions for Bungle Harry.
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to make
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Whisper ran a corker in hennessey giving a stone to a very well hcapped hoss would have won comfortably without Mullins charge.ran Might Bite 2nd Chelt and Aintree huge price providing comes out of todays grueller o.k(3 weeks) massive price. Nowhere else for him to go really.
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Looks a one horse race to me , Might Bite won his warm up race with the handbrake on , and he looked a monster last December and I for one totally blame the jockey for what happened at the last.
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With Sizing John's aborted Betfair Chase and now engaged in the John Durkan next weekend, and should Thistlecrack be scratched after yesterday's dismal performance, Might Bite could be extremely short on race day with just Bristol De Mai, the only credible adversary, all things being equal, I believe.
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As fond as I am of Bristol De Mai, think it would be a mis-match with Might Bite
Got 33/1 Might Bite RSA (already under his belt) and King George double with Skybet |
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It's only a Matter Of Time (see what i did there
 ) before Mite Bite goes short for this, Thistlecrack i think will still run, fences a totally different ball game to hurdles however has he left his top class form behind his injury or was there just more to work on than Tizzard thinks? Anyhoo he is now a backable price i'm just a bit nervous now so waiting till around a week to go see if anymore news breaks. |
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what are the chances of Whisper running?
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I saw a quote attributed to Henderson on BetVictor twitter feed to the effect that 'we won't ask him to do that and we'll wait for the Cotswold Chase at Cheltenham at end Jan'.
He might think differently come Monday and after talking to Walters of course but he tends to err on the side of caution. |
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thanks, the betting has always suggested a very likely non-runner. I didn't see anything yesterday that surprised me, can't believe that 120+ was available on here before the race yesterday and now down to 34
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Might Bite has shortened to 13/8, probably shorter if Thstlecrack is an absentee. I do not envisage the latter and/or Sizing John (same trainer/owner) running if Fox Norton runs.
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I'm surprised to see Fox Norton so short in the betting, never raced beyond 2m 4f before. I'm sure Might Bite will ensure a strong pace, so would Fox Norton be guaranteed to stay?
I see 2 scenarios in this race, if the ground is good to soft or better then Might Bite wins, if it's soft or worse then Bristol de Mai wins |
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This race could cut up badly.
With Fox Norton running in the Tingle Creek this saturday, all being well, he'd be an absentee here 17 days later, I think. His owner other inmate Sizing John is also running this sunday in the John Durkan, and with the Gold Cup his number 1 target another improbable runner here 16 days later leaving just BDM a certain runner, all being well. I'd imagine the participation of Thistlecrack is not a given either post his dismal run in the Long Distance Hurdle. Djakadam and Tea For Two could show here making a field of no more than 7 runners. |
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Djakadam will surely take on Sizing John in the John Durkan on Sunday given he has won the race for the last two years - so just as likely to be an absentee here as Fox Norton and Sizing John if proximity of this race to their most recent run is the criteria.
Djakadam did run in the Lexus last year only 17 days after the John Durkan and Outlander reversed the from with him - maybe that was due to different trip and ground or maybe Outlander recovered from his exertions in the John Durkan better than Djakadam. In any event, generally you'd expect Djakadam would be more likely to get his favoured ground in Ireland than at Kempton if he were to run over Christmas. I can see them having a crack at this with Fox Norton if Douvan disposes of him comfortably in the Tingle Creek because that would considerably diminish his chance of winning a Championship race over 2 miles (though his form over that trip continues to be progressive). Tea For Two will surely run here because he loves Kempton and his relatively small stable will spy an opportunity to pick up some decent prize money in a small field (similar to last year). |
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Wouldn't normally ask as info usually under the rules tab but
why is this market suspended It still says THIS MARKET IS FOR THE KEMPTON 2017 - KING GEORGE VI CHASE. MARKET SUSPENSION INFORMATION WILL BE ADDED ONCE KNOWN. On another note i ignored what i typed above and had a dabble on Fox Norton 8/1 just before the market suspended after looking at him. Just a small chance this race over this distance on decent winter ground could bring about some decent level of improvement, a fair few horses in the past have found this race to be fortuitous after racing over the min and 2.5 when coming into the age 7/8 regions of their careers. Still think Mite Bite will storm this though, just playing the market however, jackpot winner is the mighty MB |
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I've seen comments this week from Henderson both in the Pricewise antepost preview and his Unibet blog suggesting it's now possible Whisper will run here - so a U turn very much on the cards.
I'd now expect Fox Norton to run too as long as he comes out of yesterday's race OK. |
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Willie suggested Lexus for Pricewise selection Djakadam @ Xmas or may even bypass xmas. anyway looking to avoid Sizing John
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