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By:
Figgis
When: 25 Aug 15 14:01
Yes, seemed an unusual debut choice, especially as market confidence seemed to suggest she'd been showing some speed, maybe they see her as a Guineas and Oaks filly?
By:
jamesp
When: 25 Aug 15 14:31
They kept her in the Debutante Stakes after the forfeits last week, and they've put her in the Rockfel over 7f (as well as the Fillies' Mile).  But she's running out of time for those possible targets - she'll surely need another run in the next couple of weeks if she's going to take up the Rockfel option in a month's time.
By:
jamesp
When: 27 Aug 15 13:15
Look out for Nathra in the mile fillies' maiden at Goodwood next Tuesday.  She's John Gosden's sole entry for the Gr.1 Prix Marcel Boussac later in the season, and Frankie has been booked for the ride.  Must have been showing plenty of promise at home.

Also need to keep a very close eye on the Flame of Tara Stakes (Listed) at the Curragh on Sunday: Aidan O'Brien's unraced fillies Best In The World (full sister to Found) and Seventh Heaven (Galileo half-sister to Crusade) feature among the entries (a tip in itself, wherever they run next).  They hold a stack of big race entries and have just been entered for the Prix Marcel Boussac.
By:
lewisham ranger
When: 28 Aug 15 09:21
If Lumiere wins the guineas I will give up the game.

Looked a short runner over six furlongs, dam only raced once, etc.
By:
jamesp
When: 28 Aug 15 12:03
Well, I wouldn't be too hasty in writing off Lumiere's chances.  Firstly, she missed a few days work in the lead-up to the Lowther, which meant she was a bit fresher and keener than they wanted her.  Secondly, I wouldn't read anything into the fact that the dam only raced once - she sustained an injury after that debut victory and never fully recovered.  My main concern is that she is reportedly so very fast at home that she may turn out to be a sprinter, even though her pedigree says she ought to get a mile.  If they can get her to switch off in her races, she will obviously have a much better chance of getting a mile.
By:
Figgis
When: 28 Aug 15 12:32
My take on Lumiere is that she doesn't even look fast enough at 6f, whether she gets further or not.
By:
jamesp
When: 28 Aug 15 12:43
Her debut winning time was nothing special (compared with the July Stakes on the same card), but the Lowther time figures look very decent, and she showed plenty of speed on both occasions.  The Lowther form looks solid, and if she can learn to settle in her races she could still be high class up to a mile.

Joseph O'Brien rides the very promising How High The Moon in the Listed race at the Curragh on Sunday.  Her pedigree strongly suggests that she's a middle distance filly for next year.  She's likely to be a warm order on Sunday.
By:
Figgis
When: 28 Aug 15 12:53
It depends on whether you think Besharah is an improved filly or not. For me, she's been running no faster than her earlier form, which still leaves Iluminate ahead of her and Lumiere considerably behind the two. Whether any of those will be just as effective at a mile is guesswork. I still think we might see a piece of form in these later months that will leave this sort of form behind.
By:
jamesp
When: 28 Aug 15 13:21
I'm sure that Besharah is an improved filly, but I'd expect Illuminate to have a fair bit of improvement in her too (and on breeding is more likely to get a mile).  Lumiere was too keen at York and is also open to plenty of improvement (she was head and shoulders the most impressive specimen in the Lowther).  Illuminate is my pick of those three at this stage (looking ahead to the Guineas).

Yes, I agree that the best performances are almost certainly yet to come (in the Cheveley Park, Rockfel, Fillies' Mile, Prix Marcel Boussac etc).
By:
jamesp
When: 29 Aug 15 14:37
In the last 25 years only three winners of the Gr.3 Prestige Stakes at Goodwood have gone on to win at Gr.1 level at age three (in Britain, Ireland or France) - Nannina (2005), Gossamer (2001) and Pure Grain (1994) - although both Sky Lantern and Snow Fairy managed to get beaten in this race before going on to classic glory the following season(!), and I doubt whether this year's winner Hawksmoor will be adding to that tally.  The runner-up Fireglow is a useful yardstick, and the Hannon-trained fillies that finished third and fourth are clearly progressive types, but the form is nowhere near classic standard.  The winner is clearly a useful staying filly, who goes well in soft ground, and she would have each-way claims in the Fillies' Mile if she got her favoured ground.
By:
jamesp
When: 30 Aug 15 14:51
The Flame of Tara Stakes (Listed) produced a tight finish, with one of Aidan O'Brien's staying types Kind Of Magic showing a lot of improvement (up in trip, suited by the soft ground) to shade it from stablemate How High The Moon (stayed on well, will need further).  The running of Leafy Shade (always prominent, beaten half a length in third, previously beaten more than 4 lengths in the Debutante Stakes) suggests that Ballydoyle is still comfortably the best of Aidan's juvenile fillies.
By:
lewisham ranger
When: 03 Sep 15 16:35
I'm slightly surprised that Henry Candy is already giving up on the 1000 guinea hopes of his filly La Rioja, so impressive at Salisbury today.

According to him she will get six furlongs but not one yard further.

How can you know if you don't try? Admittedly her sire was a sprinter, but the unraced dam's side of the family offers some encouragement that she'll get a mile.

Surely if this filly was trained by Hannon or O'Brien they'd give it a go. In fact Hannon's trailblazer Tiggy Wiggy showed up quite well in this year's renewal for most of the race, and La Rioja, so switched off today, you'd think she'd have a better chance.

Candy seems obsessed by sprinters.
By:
jamesp
When: 04 Sep 15 00:22
La Rioja was hugely impressive at Salisbury today, and the visual impression was backed up by what appeared to be a fast winning time (for the conditions), though it's hard to know how much the soft ground contributed to her superiority.  This filly is all speed, and I think her chances of staying a mile are very slim indeed.  There's a small amount of potential stamina on the dam's side of the pedigree (the unraced dam is a full sister to a horse that stayed a mile+), but the grand-dam was a sprint winner (by Storm Cat), La Rioja herself is by the sprinter (and speedily bred) Hellvelyn, and she's a half-sister to three sprinters.

Nathra, whom I mentioned on here a week ago, finally made her racecourse debut in one of the divisions of the 7f fillies maiden, and she was quite impressive, staying on well to beat a fancied Haggas-trained newcomer, the pair well clear.  It will be interesting to see where John Gosden goes next with this promising daughter of Iffraaj.  She is Gosden's sole entry in the Gr.1 Prix Marcel Boussac, a race he's won on three occasions.
By:
jamesp
When: 08 Sep 15 13:27
15 fillies remain in the Gr.1 Moyglare Stud Stakes at the Curragh on Sunday.  There were no supplementary entries today.  Aidan O'Brien has five fillies to choose from: Alice Springs, Ballydoyle, How High The Moon, Kind Of Magic and Minding.  Possible English raiders are Blue Bayou, Great Page and Hawksmoor.  Other leading contenders are Tanaza (winner of the Gr.3 Silver Flash Stakes) and Now Or Never (runner-up in the Gr.2 Futurity Stakes).  The other entries are Inishkea, Leafy Shade, Siamsaiocht, Taisce Naisiunta and Vitello.  I assume that Ballydoyle will be Aidan's main runner, with Joseph riding.  Tanaza looks next best.  Blue Bayou is respected, but she would need to step up on her narrow Gr.3 victory.

The well regarded Coolmore, who made a promising racecourse debut recently, has been entered for the 7f fillies maiden at Leopardstown on Saturday.

This afternoon's Gr.3 Prix d'Aumale features a fascinating contest between the unbeaten Gherdaiya (A.Fabre) and the highly impressive maiden winner Antonoé (P.Bary).  Soft ground is an unknown factor for both fillies.  Definitely a race to watch, with an eye on next month's Gr.1 Prix Marcel Boussac and next year's classics.
By:
jamesp
When: 08 Sep 15 17:42
Pascal Bary's highly regarded filly Antonoé maintained her unbeaten record with an impressive win in the Gr.3 Prix d'Aumale at Chantilly this afternoon.  Smartly into her stride, she was always at the head of affairs, and she quickly took control of the race with a smart turn of foot with under two furlongs to race and won very comfortably.  The winning time was quite slow, reflecting the modest pace through the first few furlongs.  Next stop is the Gr.1 Prix Marcel Boussac, provided the ground is not testing.  It will take a smart one to beat her there.  Previously unbeaten Gherdaiya ran well but was never able to get on terms with the winner, and was just run out of second place close home by the fast-finishing Pleasemetoo.  Antonoé is clearly a smart filly, but it's anyone's guess whether she will come over for the Guineas next May- it will largely depend, of course, on how she performs in the Prix Marcel Boussac.  Pascal Bary is not averse to bringing over a smart filly if he thinks she's good enough (he won the Guineas with Natagora in 2008 and had the runner-up with the well-fancied Six Perfections in 2003).  Bookmakers are not currently quoting her for the Guineas, but that might all change if she wins the Boussac...

Jean-Claude Rouget's filly Kotama recorded her second win in the 5½f conditions race earlier on the same card this afternoon.  She holds an entry in the Gr.1 Cheveley Park Stakes, but she would need to step up considerably to play a role there.  A couple of form lines suggest that she has a bit to find with Freddie Head's Cheveley Park entry Yakaba.
By:
jamesp
When: 11 Sep 15 09:26
Looking for a big run from Turret Rocks in this afternoon's Gr.2 May Hill Stakes at Doncaster to frank the Debutante Stakes form.  The step back up to a mile will suit her and it's interesting that the hood will be left off for the first time (according to the race card).  Pure Diamond and Gypsy Eyes are highly regarded and completely unexposed, but they have something to prove in this company.  The Hannon-trained pair and Raaqy all need to step up on their recent Gr.3/Listed efforts.
By:
lewisham ranger
When: 11 Sep 15 10:32
Can never get bolger right, anyway I'll be disappointed if Pure Diamond doesn't win this.
By:
jamesp
When: 11 Sep 15 11:30
It will be interesting to see how Pure Diamond copes with the faster ground.  She was undeniably impressive at Kempton on the all-weather, but that form looks quite shaky (despite the runner-up's wide-margin win next time in a poor maiden) and this represents a huge jump in class.  If she does the business today she'll be a very nice middle distance prospect for next year.
By:
jamesp
When: 11 Sep 15 11:31
There are 10 runners for the Gr.1 Moyglare Stud Stakes on Sunday.  It promises to be the most significant juvenile fillies' race so far this season.  Waiting for confirmation of jockey bookings for the Aidan O'Brien-trained runners...
By:
lewisham ranger
When: 11 Sep 15 11:41
what do you make of the Hills filly then james?
By:
jamesp
When: 11 Sep 15 11:49
Well, she's quite highly regarded by her trainer, who sees her as a nice middle distance prospect for next year.  The step up to a mile will suit her and she'll handle the ground.  The form of her maiden has worked out well, but the winning time was very slow, and this represents a big step up in class.  If the Bolger filly fails to meet expectations it looks a very open race, so it wouldn't be the biggest surprise if the Hills filly were to prevail.
By:
jamesp
When: 11 Sep 15 11:56
As expected, Joseph O'Brien rides Ballydoyle, with Seamie Heffernan on Minding and Michael Hussey on Alice Springs (in first time hood).  Tanaza, Now Or Never and Blue Bayou will provide tough competition.  Great Page too could play a role if the ground becomes yielding (plenty of rain is forecast in Ireland tonight).  Vitello is an interesting runner for Michael Halford and Godolphin: she's not been seen since beating Now Or Never in a Fairyhouse maiden in June.
By:
lewisham ranger
When: 11 Sep 15 12:01
"fails to meet expectations"

yet she's hardly the favourite is she...
By:
jamesp
When: 11 Sep 15 16:16
I should have said "fails to meet my expectations"... Anyway, I was very pleased with that performance by Turret Rocks.  She had the best form going into the race and she was entitled to win a nice prize like that.  The removal of the hood and the step up to a mile clearly suited her.  It's a nice boost for the form of Ballydoyle.  There was clearly something amiss with the Godolphin filly and it wouldn't surprise me if she was campaigned in the US or Meydan from now on.
By:
Figgis
When: 11 Sep 15 16:55
If Ballydoyle runs to her latest form on Sunday it's difficult to see her being beaten unless one of the others makes big improvement. Tanaza is the second fav but I didn't see that she could be better than the bare result last time and on that form Ballydoyle should have the beating of her. I think Ballydoyle could win here and still not necessarily show Guineas winning form unless she does it very impressively. It looks like it should be a well run race so unlike last time we should get to see what she can really do.
By:
lewisham ranger
When: 11 Sep 15 18:44
Yes good call there James. I must admit I went with the "could be anything angle" against the established form Cry

Hopefully Bolger will follow up with this Sanus Per Aquum at Leopardstown tomorrow, as that should relish a step up in trip as well.
By:
jamesp
When: 11 Sep 15 18:58
It will be disappointing if Ballydoyle gets beaten on Sunday, but it looks quite a tight race (on ratings).  I see Tanaza, Now Or Never and Blue Bayou as the main dangers.  I'm prepared to believe that Blue Bayou is a bit better than the bare form of her races to date, but of course she'll need to be if she's to win on Sunday!  Tanaza looked a classy filly last time and there's nothing between her and Ballydoyle using Turret Rocks as a guide (it depends whether or not you think Turret Rocks put up an improved performance in the Debutante Stakes and whether you think Alice Springs ran a bit below par in the same race).  Now Or Never is entitled to plenty of respect following her excellent effort against the colts last time, and she will appreciate any ease in the ground.  It will be disappointing if Great Page proves good enough, but she will enjoy conditions if it buckets down.
By:
Figgis
When: 11 Sep 15 20:38
I have Turret Rocks improving in the Debutante and Alice Springs running pretty much the same in both races (1lb lower in the Debutante). I have Ballydoyle 8lbs clear of Tanaza, with the possibility that Ballydoyle could be better than the bare form. I think Now Or Never, Great Page and Minding provide a bigger threat than Tanaza. The price looks about right on the favourite, Great Page looks a big each way price but as she's been very busy it would be no surprise if she ran below her best. I'm hoping there's some betting action on Tanaza and Ballydoyle drifts, as at 2/1 I'd be interested.
By:
jamesp
When: 11 Sep 15 21:03
I'm inclined to agree with you about Turret Rocks improving in the Debutante, but I suspect that Alice Springs ran slightly below par in the same race (hence the application of a hood in Sunday's race).  If the forecast heavy showers materialize at the Curragh and there is plenty of ease in the ground, it wouldn't surprise me if Tanaza put up an improved performance in Sunday's race.  She has raced only on fast ground so far, but her dam won on heavy ground, several of the dam's siblings won with cut in the ground, the grand-dam won on yielding ground, Tanaza's half-sister Taniyar won on very soft ground, and plenty of Dubawi's progeny act on soft ground.  Dermot Weld said of Tanaza after the Silver Flash Stakes: "I think she would like it a little easier than this [good to firm ground]".  I agree that 2/1 would be a tempting price about Ballydoyle, but on yielding ground I would be interested in Tanaza at an each-way price (5/1 or bigger).
By:
jamesp
When: 11 Sep 15 21:07
Depending on the amount of rain they get at the Curragh, Great Page could be a good each-way bet in the Moyglare at around 25/1.  But I couldn't back her at this stage, without knowing the state of the ground.
By:
Figgis
When: 11 Sep 15 21:20
Yes, Tanaza is still unbeaten so it would be foolish to say she couldn't show improvement, and as Turret Rocks improved from the same race then of course Tanaza could do also. I just think the way her last race was run there was nothing concealed so she'll need to improve physically. Also, we all have yards we favour and ones we don't and, for all the past achievements of the Weld yard, in recent years I'm not too keen on their runners stepping up to the higher class races or pitched against Coolmore runners. They seem to have lots of runners that appear to win easily at lower levels, seemingly capable of being stepped up but then find little or no improvement when they are.
By:
jamesp
When: 11 Sep 15 21:25
Yes, I share your views about Weld-trained runners stepping up in class and pitched against high quality opposition.  It's rare that they make it to the very top.  But I think that Tanaza could be capable of further improvement (likely anyway for a twice-raced filly) if she gets some cut in the ground.  I'll still be rooting for Ballydoyle though (because of my Guineas investment)!
By:
ffs
When: 12 Sep 15 01:48

Sep 11, 2015 -- 9:20PM, Figgis wrote:


Yes, Tanaza is still unbeaten so it would be foolish to say she couldn't show improvement, and as Turret Rocks improved from the same race then of course Tanaza could do also. I just think the way her last race was run there was nothing concealed so she'll need to improve physically. Also, we all have yards we favour and ones we don't and, for all the past achievements of the Weld yard, in recent years I'm not too keen on their runners stepping up to the higher class races or pitched against Coolmore runners. They seem to have lots of runners that appear to win easily at lower levels, seemingly capable of being stepped up but then find little or no improvement when they are.


completely agree re Weld and O'Brien - the former's horses seem to break down a lot more regularly also. Maybe now he has the Aga Khan investing he can be more patient, but as Jim Bolger laughed about Sanus Per Aquam "If I was a real trainer you wouldn't see him for the rest of the year" .. and ofc he was beaten nto.

Some have to earn their oats year-in year-out, others can wait for the one Derby / Ascot horse.

Weld would never have been in a position to 'throw' a Group 2 or Group 3, but for AO'B those are complete afterthoughts, expect getting ready for the top.

It'll be very interesting between Ballydoyle and Tanaza but reading the history, Tanaza might not find as much as she's promising.

By:
penzance
When: 12 Sep 15 14:18
whats the record of Gallileos in this race?
Cheers.
By:
lewisham ranger
When: 12 Sep 15 19:05
I've gone with Tanaza. Admittedly I'm concerned that the galloping nature of the track might blunt her turn of foot, but she's looked so impressive so far at the price it's a must bet. I also like the angle that she'll improve for a bit of give, and the way the race will be run should suit her, with now or never and ballydoyle likely to be dueling for the lead.
By:
jamesp
When: 13 Sep 15 15:48
Oh dear Cry My initial thought is that Ballydoyle didn't find much on the dead ground there.  Perhaps she's better on fast ground.  All the same, it's disappointing that she had Minding in trouble, but then got tired in the closing stages.  Did Alice Springs put up an improved performance for the application of the hood?  Or was Ballydoyle below her best?
By:
lewisham ranger
When: 13 Sep 15 15:58
Was impressed with Minding there. The further she goes the better she's going to be so hard to believe that Ballydoyle is going to reverse the placings again over another furlong.

In fact she looks like the stamp of her sire so will surely make into an oaks filly as well.
By:
Try My Best
When: 13 Sep 15 16:04
This Alice Springs needs a mile imo. Thought she was very tenderly handled and I think she's a decent investment for the Guineas
By:
Figgis
When: 13 Sep 15 16:10
Initial take on the form and time is Ballydoyle ran to form and the winner improved, as did the third. Looks some way short of Guineas winning form to me.
By:
penzance
When: 13 Sep 15 16:22
Beautiful Morning(Cumani),thought this
won well at York,would people on here
mark her as a 1000G or Oaks prospect
on breeding?
  cheers.
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