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shows how far below form Toronado ran
So you're saying Toronado was below form? |
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Of course he ran below form. Darwin isn't a Gr1 horse he is barely a Group 3 horse. That means he is either running below form or the tactics were completely against. Some think the tactics were spot on so he must have run below form. You cannot have it both ways.
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It was a slowly run race ffs! Only a complete amateur to the game or a halfwit would use beaten margins as a measure of form in such races.
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If the proximity of Darwin is being used as a strict guide to the form then why has only Toronado been singled out as running below form? Kingman only finished 1 length and a head in front of him too? Has Kingman also run below form?
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Don't go there Figgis. That is completely unnecessary. For some reason you lose it and become insulting. How about some respect and decency? We will have to see what the ratings say as to whether others think Toronado or Kingman ran below form.
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I'm sorry RH but that is bo llox and you know it. Are you really saying Darwin is a shade below being a good one. Ridiculous comments and some people actually believe them.
Stop the hypocritical whining. |
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We will have to see what the ratings say
Why? You've said countless time you take no notice of ratings and rating horses is a waste of time. |
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Sadly Figgis you would start an argument in an empty room. I don't think Darwin is a Group 1 horse over any trip so RH's comments are silly.
You obviously don't agree with what your eyes tell yo so lets just wait and see if the ratings people say whether they ran to form or not. Apparently that's what you swear by. |
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I'm off now Fig. The room is empty.
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see if the ratings people say whether they ran to form or not
Races are rated as far as the run of the race allows them to be. If a race is run in such a way that the margins are compressed it doesn't mean a horse ran below form, especially when it's recorded sub 11 secs for the last two furlongs of a race. Anybody should know that. |
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Brig, you really are th1ck as pig muck and have no idea whatsoever. If you are going to single out Toronado for running below form due to his proximity to Darwin then the same logic applies to all of them, and so meaning there is a reason why the distances were so close. You seem either unwilling to acknowledge it (probably because you have got Kingman wrong all season) or you have no idea what happened today.
It's not Figgis starting an arguement, it's you being a completely clueless berk and deliberately not acknowledging what happened just so you do not have to change your original opinion. A whopping ego and completely clueless. Also, why bring ratings into the discussion when you've said you never take any notice of them. Clutching at straws aren't you to try and be clever. |
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It's like he has just started betting, Figgis. A 5yo would know more.
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I know, sint. No shame in admitting you were wrong, in this game most of us are wrong more than we're right. I said before the 2010 Guineas that Canford Cliffs was an unlikely stayer, after his Greenham and Guineas efforts I was thinking I was right. However, I soon had to change that opinion after his performance in the Irish Guineas. I could've desperately tried to suggest that the Irish version was a weaker event and the following SJP was slowly run but I don't see the point in trying to prove an old opinion was right, getting it right in future matters more to me.
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What tremendous speed Kingman has - must be as fast a miler as we've seen in years (Frankel aside). Incredibly slow race though and the form means nothing.
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I've never seen such a slowly run Group 1 mile. Never. Kingman could easily win Group 1 sprint. Phenomenal in his own way.
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Yet another very classy display from Kingman 2day,& well ridden from a young jock getting better all the time (J Doyle)
 Great pre & post race "stuff"  from "the brig". Go for a laugh if nothing else |
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If I can make one person smile as I pass along then my passing has not been in vain.
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Hope the Cup is run in same Garden Party,' after you Jeremy , no after you Claude' style as yesterdays Sussex
right up Cavalryman's street in his current e/w for me gl |
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current Form*
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Integral runs in the Prix Rothschild on Sunday.. 3 other runners, the horse who finished 2nd to her at Ascot, plus Esoterique and Miss France.
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The Cup looks wide open to me Mac. I would've backed Brown Panther but thought it looked a bit of a tired run from him last time in France, I'd like to see him bounce back here but won't be backing him. I'm going for a lay of Estimate as I think the price is too short. She does well over 2m4f as a lot of horses don't stay the trip but I think there are a few here capable of beating her over 2m at their best.
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I've had a small bet on Excellent Result. I think he has a good race in him if not today, some day soon.
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And I've done my usual in these circumstances and laid off a lot shorter in running.
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Well done, Mac, reckon he would've won whatever the tactics on that showing.
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Yes well done Mac. I got me money back plus a bit but exposed or what? Next time he'll be half the price but with only the same chance.
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spencer should get a ban there imo still flogging a beaten horse a furlong out...don't like to see that myself
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And WD Figgis with the lay. He should have let him drop out but there you go.
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Yes, thanks all, just glad the second was a Stable companion as cavalry man may have gone a little early, till he hung on
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Harry Bentley went for a gap on Ahzeemah that was not there, cost him the win
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Hillstar was bouncing LTO but still the old boy beat him, with the hot pot beaten .
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Ta, Brigust. I thought she was vulnerable but that obviously wasn't her running anyway, probably the hard race at Ascot. Brown Panther also seemed to be feeling the effects of that race last time, makes me wonder how Leading Light will come out of it.
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very surprised we are getting nearly 5-1 talent in the next...really fancy her today in quite a weak race...fav will be some mare to bounce back from her exertions in the gold cup and talent is just starting to come to hand
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Leading Light looked more knackered than any horse I have seen post-race.
wd Mac, Fig. |
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well done figg and mac on the last by the way
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Much too difficult a race for me, harry, looks tighter than most handicaps.
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you weren't wrong figg...shame she just ran choke out...what a game mare that winner is
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Yes, especially as she was also involved in that tough Gold Cup finish, hope she's ok.
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yep she looked sore, should be ok...you don't see many that are so game, a pleasure to watch one knuckle down like that, especially if you were on!! so well done if you stuck with her, she certainly didn't let you down
will be still interested in talent with a tad more cut in the ground, thought she would get away with it against the opposition she was up against but hey ho |
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talent went 2.56 in the run as well, very surprised the clickers would of wanted her, especially after her running choke out like she did early in the race
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We`ve all of a sudden gone from the Sussex Stakes to the Goodwood Cup. Can I therefore say I hope David Rudisha wins the 800 metres tonight
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