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What a hideous price Kingman is. Lay everyday.
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Brig , lay off as soon as Toronado crosses the line
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Buckley just said the part of the track where White Nile slipped yesterday was the softest part of the track, showing a stick reading equivalent to good to soft. His answer to the problem was to put some more water on it
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Poor turn-out for such a great race
 Kingman is the best miler on the planet imo, so if giving his running (around Goodwood) he will win. |
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Ground very similar to yesterday judging by the Gordon Stakes.
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G/F ground, needed that bit of water last night, or it would be near firm, & prob no Kingman in the race.
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I was earlier referring to Buckley wanting to specifically water further a part of the track that was already showing good to soft, not him watering the track in general.
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Blimey, the slow pace was dead against Kingman there. Took him a while to pick up and quicken. He NEEDS a fast pace.
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gotta to be one of the best races ive seen in a long time, superb finish
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Makes my 4/5 and even money look gutless.
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I'm sure others won't agree but I thought Hughes rode the perfect race, giving Toronado the best chance of beating a superior rival. Horse just wasn't good enough. If they'd have gone quicker Kingman would've won more easily, imo.
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Wasn't run to suit???? Are they completely blind and mad??
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Well done Doyle correcting the fools.
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Agree Figgis. For me the race quells any doubts, if there were any to begin with, about him not being able to handle a fast pace. He was gagging for a fast pace today. Would have smashed them with one.
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How far below form did Toronado run only narrowly beating Darwin?
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That's what happens when you get a slow pace, Brigust. Inferiors rivals get closer. Not rocket science.
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well done to Kingman and his supporters outpaced them easily in the last furlong .
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Couldn't have put it better, sint.
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kingman switching off much more easily now...so relaxed, he can only improve more
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Very unsatisfactory in my opinion. I expected Kingman to win whatever way the race was run because I have never held Toronado in the same esteem as RH it's just no-one seems to want to test Kingman. That's three races now where Hughes has the pace in his hands but refuses to use it. JG said he would win the July Cup and he may be going sprinting next year. Says it all really.
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Sorry.
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I expected Kingman to win whatever way the race was run
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I'm sorry Fig but I laid him, as I explained at the time, because I thought he would trade longer in running. Actually he traded at nearly 2/1 against. And when I laid off I never saved anything for the other runners because I thought Kingman would win.
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A very unsatisfactory race to rate,so much so ,I will not bother to try,the proximity of the 3rd and 4th make it so,will be fun to watch how the the official and TF go about this,but I am most definitely not awarding more than 7 lb improvement to Darwin,my feeling is that the previous ratings should remain unaltered,with the knowledge Kingman a better horse than Toranado?
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A pity Johnny G(owners) did not use(enter) one of his many gooduns to pacemaker and sort out a good rating?
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I'm sorry Fig but I laid him, as I explained at the time, because I thought he would trade longer in running.
A lot of punters who thought he would win also backed him longer in running without laying him in running for a bigger profit. Anyone who felt the need to lay him beforehand (and back another runner) obviously weren't that confident, at least not so confident they could claim after the race they thought he'd win however it was run. |
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*without laying him beforehand
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No more than a low 123 rating with some thought,which is almost a waist of time.
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That is completely wrong Figgis I'm afraid. I think I have always said I thought Kingman would win. My betting tactics may not have been yours but it is a tactic widely used and it worked for me. I backed Outstrip ante post in case one of the big ones didn't run and got my money back in running. Nice profitable race in the end,
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I don't blame Gosden, I wouldn't have run a pacemaker either. What is the point of giving a horse a harder race than you need to when you think it can win whatever the tactics? More petrol in the tank for races ahead.
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Neither do I. I bet he dreamed it would be like that. 'Just like a piece of work at home' he said.
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There's a world of difference between giving a horse an easy time in a race and a race where a horse can win easily.
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And sometimes you can give a horse an easy time in a race and still win easily. Especially if your opponents get their tactics wrong. I'm not saying that is what happened in this race because if Hughes had put the gun to Toronado's head he may have been beaten by the other 3 year old, Outstrip. But considering Hughes has said Toronado stays much further then watching him accept defeat from the stalls is pretty galling. At no stage did he ride Toronado to win that race in my opinion and the proximity of Darwin confirms that point.
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not sure I agree with your sentiments(but that's racing),we just witnessed a mile race run like the july cup,achieved nothing to my eyes,but win the race! wd johhny g
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the proximity of Darwin confirms that point.
It confirms it was a slowly run race, advantaging the ones who got first run, with weight counting for little, nothing more. |
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yep, Darwin confirms the slow time, not your point Brigust
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Richard Hughes was full of praise for the winner, saying: "I hit the final two furlongs at full belt and I knew it would take a good one to get by me.
"I knew Kingman was brilliant the way he went past me at Ascot. It was a different horse today and I got first run on him again off a slow pace and he has still beaten me." Harry Herbert, racing manager for Toronado's owners Al Shaqag Racing, said: "It was always going to be a muddling affair and the way it panned out was probably the only way were we ever going to beat Kingman. "For a moment I thought it looked like we would, we quickened off a slow pace and got away coming down the hill. "But as soon as Kingman hit the level ground, whoosh. Hughesie told me he's never been as fast in a final furlong as he's just been in a Group One race. Tactically they got it spot on, in my view. "Olympic Glory will go for the Jacques le Marois so we'll see where he goes, there aren't many options. He'll probably end up in the Queen Elizabeth II but that is probably where the winner will go as well. We should get a truly run race at Ascot. It will be interesting to see if Toronado can get closer to Kingman (on 3lbs better wfa terms) under those circumstances, I don't see it happening. |
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Sorry, 5lbs better wfa terms, only giving him 3lbs.
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I think the proximity of Darwin to Toronado shows how far below form Toronado ran. If Hughes didn't think he would win and rode for 2nd place then he was correct, but only just.
I'm sorry RH but that is bo llox and you know it. Are you really saying Darwin is a shade below being a good one. Ridiculous comments and some people actually believe them. They lost their bottle and were adamant they wouldn't lose 2nd place, and still they nearly did. |