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Grendel, yes completely agree they are classic signs for me too, apart from when they run no race at all of course.
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held up in rear, niggled along to close over 3f out, went 2nd over 1f out, ridden to challenge inside final furlong, led final 100 yards, stayed on well
held up towards rear, closed 8f out, challenged going well 3f out, shaken up to lead over 2f out, ridden over 1f out, headed final 100 yards, held close home These are the race comments from ATR , it is my firm belief that had Taghrooda been pushed firmly into the lead a little earlier she would have held on , i believe the first furlong was more than thirteen seconds , the reason Taghrooda was going so well three out was the pace was very strong. |
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*not very strong
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Wouldn't the slower final furlong be normal in most races? And the times just show that Tapestry was faster in all of the final four furlongs. Given they are both classic fillies with one favourite for the 1000 Gns and the other favourite for the Oaks suggests there is the possibility the former is faster without necessarily being the stronger stayer and the track helped in that regard imo.
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Mac, but she ran her quickest furlong from the 5f to the 4f pole, the quickest furlong by any in the race, she became progressively slower afterwards.
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It was a weak KG
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The final furlong being slower is of no relevance. That fastest furlong certainly wouldn't be between the 5f and 4f pole in a sprint finish.
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*The fastest furlong
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disagree MJ, was run in one of the fastest ratings I've given any race in recent years ... dunno how figgis rated it
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MJ, so where does that leave your Australia rating?
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fig, I think the reason she did not run her fastest furlong from the fourth furlong to the third furlong was because the rider decided he would coast in that furlong, this was a mistake imo .
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Grendel, I don't think the 4yos were anything special but that would be the same for any KG where they were beaten 3 lengths. After the race I rated Taghrooda as a well above average 3yo filly and one certainly worthy of winning a KG. I have no doubt that she ran below that level today, and while Tapestry put up a reasonable performance to beat her I don't have her in quite the same class. People expect them to run to the pound too often then look for reasons to downgrade the previous form when they don't, imo.
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Mac, but if she was capable of running quicker wouldn't she have still had more in reserve when he did ask her? The evidence doesn't suggest she did.
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Her Forte is staying power that is why she did not run in the 1000 , she needed to have that attribute mined today and it was not mined to a suitable degree imo
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Figgis
we make ratings through a system,and no harm in keeping the original ratings but adjusting for opinion or evidence?(they most definitely aint gospel)+( always changing) for better or worse. |
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Sea The Moon still the best visual performance i have witnessed this year.
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It's great that we all have the same or different opinions it would be a boring old world if we didn't.
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"oh yes"
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figgis, how did you rate Australia's performance yesterday? ... as a going adjusted speed rating I made it quite a bit below par
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grendal
Fillies seem to avoid the KG,when they turn up you can be sure it is because they believe the race weak?(aftertiming now) ![]() |
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When horses run below form but still manage to win by scraping home or not winning quite as impressively as expected (and it's happened to even the very best on occasions), then it's generally accepted that the horse ran below par for whatever reason, but when one is beaten while running below form there is much more of a tendency to want to downgrade earlier form, in my view.
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I got a rough 134 TF got 132,but do we believe our ratings?
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Figgis
We can rate Frankel 147 but do we really believe he could give 5 lb + to Sea the Stars over 10f? |
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I do
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can't possibly be that high as a speed rating MJ, Voltigeur was lengths faster
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"Oh you are awful"
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not a speed figure grendal.I leave that to the experts.
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Grendel, yes I have it as a below par figure. Before the race I estimated what I thought Australia was likely to achieve over 10f and I have it a few pounds short of that. I don't think the final time can be excused too much because of the early pace but I think it's likely it did hinder it by a few pounds. I would expect Australia to be able to do a bit better but I still don't have him as a particularly special 3yo. What was disappointing about yesterday's race was the poor running of the older horses. Even allowing that they're also nothing special they didn't run to their best. Although I did say that Telescope looked to have had a hard race in the KG and Mukhadram was entitled to throw in a poor one after his exertions. Australia did me a favour in the Derby, I have nothing against him, or any horse for that matter, but I'm itching to take him on now purely for betting reasons as I don't think his form matches his reputation, unfortunately I've seen nothing worth opposing him with.
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Grendal
just reflecting on today's lowther,the time guys will be wetting their pants,just because of the firm ground?(well not soft or over watered),which in the last two years is all we have. |
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track records mean nothing, all they tell you is that the going is at its fastest ... or near it
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figgis
Mukhadram is inconsistent and looks better going right handed,Telescope never been that great to my eyes(need i say more) |
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Oh and The great gatsby as improved more than Australia from the guineas?
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AOB can send it to the meat market now
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Figgis, the way I see the Juddmonte was that Heffernan didn't want to set off at a fast pace from the start and him and Hanagan were looking at each other for the other to take the lead ... Australia's main rivals would be inconvenienced by a slow early pace which is what it was for the first couple of furlongs, then Heffernan went on and the race became more of a mile / 9f race which meant that the Mukhadram and Telescope would use up much of their limited speed early to keep up with the faster pace and they were spent by the two pole where Australia came through without having to be asked to quicken and the other hold up horse The Grey Gatsby followed him through.
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MJ, but if that's the case then how do you arrive at 134 for Australia? He only beat Telescope by just over a length more than Taghrooda did, while being harder ridden, and arguably Telescope is more of a 12f horse. Surely if Australia is a 134 horse then Taghrooda couldn't be far behind and a worthy KG winner?
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Winning trainer Aidan O'Brien, back at the track after the success of Australia in the Juddmonte International 24 hours earlier, said: "Things didn't go her way in the 1000 Guineas but ever since then she's stepped up and stepped up as the season has gone on.
"She was unlucky in the Irish Oaks. If you watch the replay of the race, you'll know what I mean. Look where the saddle ended up and she had to race like that for the whole of the race. I don't know how the saddle stayed on. "Ryan has given her a peach today. She had Group One class over seven furlongs as a two-year-old, but she's a big filly and she's really been coming forwards with every run this season. She stays a mile and a half but I think she probably wants fast ground and we were lucky that the rain didn't come any more than it did. "We'll look at France, we'll look at America, but fast ground is going to be important for her. The world is open to her now." Moore added: "She looked one of the best two-year-olds last year and it has just taken a while for her to come to hand, but she ran a very good race the last day and has improved again today. "We had nothing to lose. So it (tracking Taghrooda) seemed the best play we had. "She had to battle. The other filly had plenty of time to come back if she was good enough. They are two very good fillies - they were seven lengths clear and I think that says it all really." John Gosden said of Taghrooda: "No excuses, she's just been outstayed on the Knavesmire, which has happened to horses before. "She was nice and relaxed through the race, he (Hanagan) gave her a lovely ride and it was a great race. "The winner is just one of those fillies that has come to herself at this time of year. There was a lot of confidence behind her in the Irish Oaks and she had a problem with her tack, I believe. "They've beaten the rest an awful long way, and she has just been outstayed. "She's been in great form at home and barely had a race in the King George so there'll be no change to the plan. It will still be the Arc. "They've always liked the winner, she has always been towards the top of their pecking order." |
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It seems AOB been telling the truth all season(just after events mind),the bigger picture does appear that the AOB camp in much better form now than earlier,and perhaps the Machine that has been absolutely outstanding this year of Gosdens
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figgis
of course she was a worthy KG winner,but it was a weak race. |
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I have composed a list of questions for the racing press to ask AOB before the race.
Aiden,does your stable have the cough? Aiden, have you ruined this filly on the gallops Aiden do you ever give the boys any advice? |
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Still prefer the claims of AL NAAMAH for the 1000 Guineas, and looking forward to seeing her in the Fillies Mile.
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